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Sid Crosby turns 25 today.. so did he live up to the hype?

View Poll Results: Sidney Crosby: did he live up to the hype?
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08-08-2012, 01:25 AM
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it's not hating when you don't think a 41 game stretch is the most impressive hockey you've seen in 16 years, it's being realistic.

Ovechkin had an even higher ppg in 09-10, when he was at 56 games he already had 92 points not to mention 37 goals in his first 50 games.

You wanna talk about dominant? Jagr's last 3 seasons on the Pens are easily more impressive then Crosby's 41 game season, considering he took home an Art Ross each season and actually played more then half of it.

81GP, 44 goals 83 assist 127 points Art Ross-Hart-First team allstar-lindsey
63GP, 42 goals 54 assist 96 points Art Ross-Hart nominee-First team allstar-lindsey
81GP, 52 goals 69 assist 121 points Art Ross-Hart nominee-First team allstar

Yeah which one of those doesn't beat out Crosbys 66 points in 41 games with nothing to show for it...

Heck Ovechkin's 65 goal season was probably more impressive hockey then Crosby's 41 games.
sorry i bothered replying to you. its pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about. ovechkin had elite talent surrounded around him 24/7, crosby didnt. anyways jagr at his best is not better then crosby at this best. crosby sees the ice better then jagr. thanks for bringing up numbers that are from an easier to score era. good job, you fall into the category of people who have clearly no concept of actually making relative comparisons, just looking at numbers. i bet you think ovechkin has better on ice vision then crosby too. crosby came back and out produced his 2011 pace. 37 points in 22 games, all while tyler kennedy and matt cooke are on his line. its crazy that crosby actually gets underrated at times.

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sorry i bothered replying to you. its pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about. ovechkin had elite talent surrounded around him 24/7, crosby didnt. anyways jagr at his best is not better then crosby at this best. crosby sees the ice better then jagr. thanks for bringing up numbers that are from an easier to score era. good job, you fall into the category of people who have clearly no concept of actually making relative comparisons, just looking at numbers. i bet you think ovechkin has better on ice vision then crosby too. crosby came back and out produced his 2011 pace. 37 points in 22 games, all while tyler kennedy and matt cooke are on his line. its crazy that crosby actually gets underrated at times.
lol easier scoring era comment just made your post irrelevant. elite talent surrounded by him 24/7 hahah, who outscored who with what supporting cast in their rookie seasons? I mentioned Ovechkin's 65 goal season not his 109 point one, do you know who Ovechkin had in his 65 goal season? I'll give you a hint, he had as much points as Ovechkin had goals. It's becoming apparent you didn't start watching hockey till after 08.

Underrated? because not everyone thinks hes the best thing since Gretzky and Lemieux? haha I acknowledge Crosby for what he is, the best player in the game not the best player ever. Don't get those two confused now.


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lol easier scoring era comment just made your post irrelevant. elite talent surrounded by him 24/7 hahah, who outscored who with what supporting cast in their rookie seasons? I mentioned Ovechkin's 65 goal season not his 109 point one, do you know who Ovechkin had in his 65 goal season? I'll give you a hint, he had as much points as Ovechkin had goals. It's becoming apparent you didn't start watching hockey till after 08.

Underrated? because not everything thinks hes the best thing since Gretzky and Lemieux? hahah I acknowledge Crosby for what he is, the best player in the game not the best player ever. Don't get those two confused now.
i never said crosby would out point lemieux today did i? who the heck said he was the best player ever? i was just talking about his prime and we have most likely seen what that is. it doesnt take 20 years to see how good someone is on top of their game. both ovechkin and crosby are amazing lets just leave it at that.

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08-08-2012, 01:50 AM
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If you want my honest opinion, Crosby > Gretzky > Lemieux > Orr.

Orr played when goalies mostly used stand up. Their pads and equipment were also not advanced. The pads were too thin.

Lemieux and Gretzky played in an era where pads and goalie equipment weren't very advanced either and scoring was at an all time high.

Crosby plays in an era where scoring is at an all time low. He is the best there ever was. He is "The Next One". IMHO.

Some may argue, "hockey sticks advanced too!" Well, if you think about it, there are ILLEGAL sticks. The LEGAL sticks used now are the same as the ones used in Orr's era.

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If you want my honest opinion, Crosby > Gretzky > Lemieux > Orr.

Orr played when goalies mostly used stand up. Their pads and equipment were also not advanced. The pads were too thin.

Lemieux and Gretzky played in an era where pads and goalie equipment weren't very advanced either and scoring was at an all time high.

Crosby plays in an era where scoring is at an all time low. He is the best there ever was.
Given that your post already has 0 merit based on your first sentence, let me enlighten you on the bolded,

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_GoalsPerGame.php

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08-08-2012, 01:59 AM
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the scoring in last years playoffs was 4.83? WTF???????

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If you want my honest opinion, Crosby > Gretzky > Lemieux > Orr.

Orr played when goalies mostly used stand up. Their pads and equipment were also not advanced. The pads were too thin.

Lemieux and Gretzky played in an era where pads and goalie equipment weren't very advanced either and scoring was at an all time high.

Crosby plays in an era where scoring is at an all time low. He is the best there ever was. He is "The Next One". IMHO.

Some may argue, "hockey sticks advanced too!" Well, if you think about it, there are ILLEGAL sticks. The LEGAL sticks used now are the same as the ones used in Orr's era.
You must be very young. Gretzky scored 90 points in 82 games in 97/98 which was a lower-scoring season than anything since the lockout. As a 37 years old with a bad back. People were saying he's washed up and a shell of his former self.
Lemieux scored 76 points in 43 games in 00/01 and then 91 points in 67 games in 02/03 - again, a lower scoring season than anything since the lockout, he was 37, with his back so bad that he couldn't even bend down to lace up his skates.

Also, when it comes to Crosby's 2010/11 half-season, Czech Your Math has made a great thread debunking this myth:

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Some of the best 41+ game streaks from 1994-2012:
#PlayerYearGmsGAPtsPPG
1 Lemieux 1996 41 45 64 109 2.66
2 Jagr 1996 42 36 51 87 2.07
3 Francis 1996 41 20 57 77 1.88
4 Lemieux 1997 41 31 46 77 1.88
5 Gretzky 1994 46 22 64 86 1.87
6 Jagr 2001 45 33 51 84 1.87
7 Crosby 2007 42 23 53 76 1.81
8 Jagr 2000 41 33 40 73 1.78
9 Lemieux 2001 43 35 41 76 1.77
10 Fedorov 1994 42 32 42 74 1.76
11 Lindros 1997 43 29 44 73 1.70
12 Lemieux 2003 43 20 53 73 1.70
13 Ovechkin 2010 52 42 46 88 1.69
14 Thornton 2006 44 17 57 74 1.68
15 Selanne 1999 41 31 37 68 1.66
16 Bure 1994 43 43 28 71 1.65
17 Forsberg 2003 45 20 54 74 1.64
18 Jagr 1997 44 41 31 72 1.64
19 Jagr 1999 52 27 58 85 1.63
20 Lindros 1995 42 28 40 68 1.62
21 Lindros 1996 47 36 40 76 1.62
22 Crosby 2011 41 32 34 66 1.61
23 Ovechkin 2008 41 36 30 66 1.61
24 Lindros 1999 41 25 41 66 1.61
25 Kovalchuk 2006 41 34 32 66 1.61
26 Thornton 2007 51 14 68 82 1.61
27 Alfredsson 2006 44 32 38 70 1.59
28 Neely 1994 44 50 20 70 1.59
29 Jagr 2006 44 30 40 70 1.59
30 Sakic 2001 62 44 54 98 1.58
31 Malkin 2009 42 17 49 66 1.57
32 Selanne 1996 42 22 44 66 1.57
33 Fedorov 1996 41 23 41 64 1.56
34 Kariya 1997 43 28 39 67 1.56
35 Lindros 1994 51 36 43 79 1.55
36 Malkin 2008 42 33 32 65 1.55
37 Jagr 1998 41 22 41 63 1.54
38 Malkin 2012 41 33 31 63 1.54
39 Crosby 2010 55 39 45 84 1.53
40 Alfredsson 2008 42 29 35 64 1.52
41 Selanne 1997 42 32 32 64 1.52
42 Ovechkin 2009 66 53 47 100 1.52
43 Forsberg 1996 41 16 46 62 1.51
44 Sakic 1996 41 23 39 62 1.51
45 SedinH 2010 41 13 49 62 1.51
46 Yzerman 1994 41 19 43 62 1.51
47 LeClair 1997 46 34 35 69 1.50
48 Ovechkin 2006 44 32 34 66 1.50
49 Iginla 2007 47 28 42 70 1.49
50 Oates 1994 43 19 45 64 1.49
51 Forsberg 2006 41 15 46 61 1.49
52 Gretzky 1996 41 12 49 61 1.49
53 Thornton 2003 41 26 35 61 1.49
54 St. Louis 2007 41 28 33 61 1.49
55 Jagr 1995 41 28 33 61 1.49
56 LeClair 1999 42 29 33 62 1.48
57 Forsberg 2001 41 15 45 60 1.46
58 Stamkos 2010 42 30 28 58 1.45
59 Bure 2001 41 38 21 59 1.44
60 Gretzky 1997 41 16 42 58 1.41
61 Bure 2000 46 40 25 65 1.41
62 Elias 2001 41 24 33 57 1.39
63 Forsberg 1998 41 16 39 55 1.34
64 Forsberg 2004 41 18 37 55 1.34
65 Forsberg 1999 44 15 43 58 1.32
66 Gretzky 1998 41 12 42 54 1.32
67 Forsberg 2001 66 27 59 86 1.30
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Given that your post already has 0 merit based on your first sentence, let me enlighten you on the bolded,

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_GoalsPerGame.php
Anything before the 60's is pointless. Who the **** really cares about anything before the 60's because I sure don't.

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Also, when it comes to Crosby's 2010/11 half-season, Czech Your Math has made a great thread debunking this myth
Lol this shows that Crosby`s 2007 half season was better than 2010 half season. Although i`d say in 07 it wasnt nearly as good all around hockey by him and in 10 he was more consistent. Crosbys 2007 half season ranks third best since 1996 like the guy said.Pretty good.

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Anything before the 60's is pointless. Who the **** really cares about anything before the 60's because I sure don't.
You just insist on demonstrating to the other posters why you don't deserve any credibility. Also, it depends on the context of the question. If by hype you mean to be the best player in the league, then absolutely. If you mean it to be "The Next One", then absolutely not. I took it as meaning the latter, and voted no.

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He definitely has lived up to the hype. I think he gets banged around way more than Gretzky, and Mario ever did as well.

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If you want my honest opinion, Crosby > Gretzky > Lemieux > Orr.
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Anything before the 60's is pointless. Who the **** really cares about anything before the 60's because I sure don't.
I'm not sure what to say...

As a Bruins fan I'm biased, but I'll use Don Cherry's example for the GOAT; I think 5 Bobby Orr's would beat 5 Gretzky's, 5 Mario's or 5 Crosby's.

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Lol @ Crosby being better than Gretzky lemieux or Orr.

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No that one poster defines everyone's opinion but this is why some people believe Crosby is over rated and didn't live up to the hype.

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Rarely do players actually live up to the hype pre draft. He's probably the best player in the world, certainly in the top 3, and the only reason it's not unanimous is because he's been injured. I went with yes because when he has been on the ice, he's been the best player in the world. It's just keeping him on the ice that's been the problem. If he's not considered a legend by the time of his retirement, it will only be due to injuries. Certainly no lack of skill or will in Crosby.

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Lol this shows that Crosby`s 2007 half season was better than 2010 half season. Although i`d say in 07 it wasnt nearly as good all around hockey by him and in 10 he was more consistent. Crosbys 2007 half season ranks third best since 1996 like the guy said.Pretty good.
Here's the adjusted streaks, which show Crosby's 2007 and 2011 streaks to be much closer. You are right that he was probably better all-around in 2011 than 2007, scoring more at even strength and a bit more effective at ES as well. Consistency is tough to measure, but I might actually pick his 2008 season, although he was hurt that season as well. That doesn't mean he was better that year by any means, just perhaps a tad more consistent from what I can tell.

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Some of the best adjusted streaks from 1994-2012:

#PlayerYearGmsPPG
1 Lemieux 1996 41 2.54
2 Jagr 2001 45 2.01
3 Jagr 1996 42 1.98
4 Lemieux 1997 41 1.94
5 Jagr 2000 41 1.94
6 Lemieux 2001 43 1.90
7 Lemieux 2003 43 1.89
8 Selanne 1999 41 1.88
9 Jagr 1999 52 1.85
10 Forsberg 2003 45 1.83
11 Lindros 1999 41 1.82
12 Crosby 2007 42 1.82
13 Ovechkin 2010 52 1.80
14 Francis 1996 41 1.80
15 Lindros 1997 43 1.76
16 Jagr 1998 41 1.76
17 Ovechkin 2008 41 1.75
18 Crosby 2011 41 1.74
19 Gretzky 1994 46 1.74
20 Malkin 2012 41 1.73
21 Sakic 2001 62 1.70
22 Jagr 1997 44 1.69
23 Malkin 2008 42 1.68
24 LeClair 1999 42 1.67
25 Thornton 2003 41 1.66
26 Alfredsson 2008 42 1.65
27 Fedorov 1994 42 1.64
28 Lindros 1995 42 1.63
29 Crosby 2010 55 1.62
30 Thornton 2006 44 1.62
31 Kariya 1997 43 1.61
32 Thornton 2007 51 1.61
33 Malkin 2009 42 1.61
34 SedinH 2010 41 1.59
35 Selanne 1997 42 1.58
36 Forsberg 2001 41 1.57
37 Kovalchuk 2006 41 1.57
38 Ovechkin 2009 66 1.57
39 Bure 2001 41 1.56
40 LeClair 1997 46 1.55
41 Alfredsson 2006 44 1.55
42 Lindros 1996 47 1.55
43 Forsberg 2004 41 1.55
44 Jagr 2006 44 1.54
45 Bure 2000 46 1.54
46 Forsberg 1998 41 1.54
47 Bure 1994 43 1.53
48 St. Louis 2007 41 1.51
49 Gretzky 1998 41 1.51
50 Iginla 2007 47 1.51
51 Selanne 1996 42 1.50
52 Jagr 1995 41 1.50
53 Elias 2001 41 1.50
54 Fedorov 1996 41 1.49
55 Forsberg 1999 44 1.49
56 Neely 1994 44 1.47
57 Stamkos 2010 42 1.47
58 Gretzky 1997 41 1.47
59 Selanne 1998 46 1.46
60 Ovechkin 2006 44 1.46
61 Forsberg 1996 41 1.45
62 Sakic 1996 41 1.45
63 Jagr 2002 41 1.44
64 Lindros 1994 51 1.44
65 Forsberg 2006 41 1.43
66 Gretzky 1996 41 1.42
67 Elias 2000 43 1.42

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People saying Crosby>Lemieux and Gretzky are trolling obviously

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I'd still say Ovechkins peak and prime was better. Cups are slightly overrated by HF in their significance to a players individual success.

But yes, Crosby lived up to the hype.
Stats alone it's debatable. Factor in Crosby's all around game, leadership, work ethic, etc... and it's not close.

Ovechkin was not held accountable for anything else except scoring. Crosby worked on whatever it took to win.

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