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08-08-2012, 10:49 PM
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Defensive/faceoff specialist that was so good at his job that he was elected to the Team Canada roster for the 1998 Olympics...
1. That was a controversial selection for Team Canada. I was working at a mall in Winnipeg that holiday season when the team was announced and there were a lot of WTF? on the street, in the bar that night, and in the media in the following days.

2. Fingers were pointed at the decision to include Zamuner and a couple of others after Canada lost in the Olympics (of course there was at least one other place fingers were pointing too: see the Crawford pick).

Zamuner is a fourth liner on any all-time team, whether it be MLD or AAA. I think even Team Canada benefits from having its 12th forward being a penalty killer and a safe, responsible choice to throw over the boards on defensive zone face-offs, especially when leading. At 8-10 minutes per game, his assets are excellent. It's a decent pick imo at this point, though I had deferred him to the AAA in my considerations.

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08-08-2012, 10:51 PM
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1. That was a controversial selection for Team Canada. I was working at a mall in Winnipeg that holiday season when the team was announced and there were a lot of WTF? on the street, in the bar that night, and in the media in the following days.

2. Fingers were pointed at the decision to include Zamuner and a couple of others after Canada lost in the Olympics (of course there was at least one other place fingers were pointing too: see the Crawford pick).

Zamuner is a fourth liner on any all-time team, whether it be MLD or AAA. I think even Team Canada benefits from having its 12th forward being a penalty killer and a safe, responsible choice to throw over the boards on defensive zone face-offs, especially when leading. At 8-10 minutes per game, his assets are excellent. It's a decent pick imo at this point, though I had deferred him to the AAA in my considerations.
Yeah, Zamuner is strictly a 4th liner/PKer here, but I think he's a decent one. He has a good (not great) amount of grit and leadership too.

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08-08-2012, 10:54 PM
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1. That was a controversial selection for Team Canada. I was working at a mall in Winnipeg that holiday season when the team was announced and there were a lot of WTF? on the street, in the bar that night, and in the media in the following days.

2. Fingers were pointed at the decision to include Zamuner and a couple of others after Canada lost in the Olympics (of course there was at least one other place fingers were pointing too: see the Crawford pick).

Zamuner is a fourth liner on any all-time team, whether it be MLD or AAA. I think even Team Canada benefits from having its 12th forward being a penalty killer and a safe, responsible choice to throw over the boards on defensive zone face-offs, especially when leading. At 8-10 minutes per game, his assets are excellent. It's a decent pick imo at this point, though I had deferred him to the AAA in my considerations.
He's a defensive specialist, as you describe, and while the pick is controversial he's part of team-building. Which Canada has a history of doing. Not making an all-star, fantasy team, but they try to have a "team" - 35 year old Kris Draper made the team in 2006 also...

Having Zamuner on Team Canada didn't hurt them (he even scored a goal ). Controversial or not, he's a great team guy, a big, physical, defensive specialist, penalty killer, hard worker and multi-positional. Great fit anywhere at any time - as you note.

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08-08-2012, 10:57 PM
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All the forwards in this double round bring all-time great skills of one sort or another. What a fantastic assortment. It's nice to see all of them get some respect to what they've brought to the history of the game. Love this round.

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08-08-2012, 10:58 PM
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Notable WCHL Defensemen, Offensively

PlayerGamesGoalsAssistsPointsPPGDraft Position
Joe Simpson113574299.876305
Percy Traub104171633.317959
Red Dutton93312051.548328
Amby Moran88341145.511984
Bob Trapp107232447.439991
Herb Gardiner103311849.476205

Okay, so he's better offensively than Trapp, Gardiner, and Traub but never received any all star recognition in terms of the WCHL. Seems like a puckmover with somewhat questionable defensive abilities.

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08-08-2012, 10:59 PM
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Didn't Palffy used to slip to the MLD because he was soft and Euro and stuff? Ah the old days.

I have DaveG's list. He selects:

1 - G Gilles Meloche
2 - D Chris Phillips
DaveG will need to re-pick, Chris Phillips was taken 795th overall in the ATD.

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Notable WCHL Defensemen, Offensively

PlayerGamesGoalsAssistsPointsPPGDraft Position
Joe Simpson113574299.876305
Percy Traub104171633.317959
Red Dutton93312051.548328
Amby Moran88341145.511984
Bob Trapp107232447.439991
Herb Gardiner103311849.476205

Okay, so he's better offensively than Trapp, Gardiner, and Traub but never received any all star recognition in terms of the WCHL. Seems like a puckmover with somewhat questionable defensive abilities.
His ratio of goals to assists vs the other defensemen make it look like he might have gotten some of those points as a F. I don't know either way, just a guess.


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08-08-2012, 11:01 PM
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DaveG will need to re-pick, Chris Phillips was taken 795th overall in the ATD.
LOL, nobody else noticed (I didn't even bother checking when I picked for him). Let me find the next name on his list.

Edit: Dave's makeup pick is

3 - RW Willi Plett

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08-08-2012, 11:47 PM
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BIF selects:

Johan Franzen, W
Marcus Ragnarsson, D
Kim Johnsson, D
Leif "Honken" Holmqvist, G

Can someone PM Farkas?

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BIF selects:

Johan Franzen, W
Marcus Ragnarsson, D
Kim Johnsson, D
Leif "Honken" Holmqvist, G
Solid picks, especially Franzon and Johnsson.

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08-09-2012, 12:19 AM
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Kim Johnson is a guy who saw lots of ice time for an elite defensive team. Great pick.

The rest are good to.

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08-09-2012, 12:22 AM
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Solidifying the right side of my third line. With a terrific two-way forward that can fill in anywhere in the lineup virtually. Great slapshot, good speed, skilled PK player, a former defenseman that played a quality defensive game. 342 goals when playing from 1988-2006 isn't too bad for this point in the draft I feel, especially considering his defensive ability. 2x Champion, 3x Olympian



RW Scott Young

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I have a smaller goalie with limited longevity, and now I have the opportunity to take a bigger goalie with noteworthy longevity as he successfully crossed over eras during a major goaltending evolution...

Quick notes: (Vezina: 3, 6, 8; AS: 3, 4, 5; Hart: 4, 8, 12 - Wins: 6, 8, 8; save pct: 3, 6, 8, 9; GAA: 10; SO: 5, 6, 10) - 3x All-Star. 2x Olympian, multiple times he represented Canada internationally.



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I have Dave's picks

He picks a real life pairing of Soviet defensemen

D Sergei Starikov
D Igor Stelnov

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Solidifying the right side of my third line. With a terrific two-way forward that can fill in anywhere in the lineup virtually. Great slapshot, good speed, skilled PK player, a former defenseman that played a quality defensive game. 342 goals when playing from 1988-2006 isn't too bad for this point in the draft I feel, especially considering his defensive ability. 2x Champion, 3x Olympian

RW Scott Young
I had him on my list. You picked him within 5 picks of where he went last year.

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If my pick comes up today while I'm at work I ask to be skipped as I'm unsure of who I'll be picking. Have the positions nailed down but unsure of the players. I should be home around 6 or 6:30 EST.

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08-09-2012, 06:58 AM
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The Mule! The 6'3 222 lbs. winger has been CLUTCH time and again. Plus a boatload of intangibles.

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World championship gold (2006)
Stanley Cup (2008)
73 NHL career playoff points including cup-clinching goal
48 career NHL game winners including 12 in the postseason.



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Skates very well for a big forward and always drives the net with authority. Is versatile, solid at both ends of the ice and great along the boards. Has underrated moves and a sneaky hard shot. Creates space for his linemates thanks to his strength and puckhandling skills.
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NHL record for most goals in a 4-game playoff series (9).
Detroit Red Wings record for most game-winning goals in one month, March 2008 (6).
Detroit Red Wings record for most goals in a single playoff series (9).
Detroit Red Wings record for consecutive playoff games with a point (12, tied with Gordie Howe)
Detroit Red Wings record for consecutive playoff games with a goal (5, tied with Gordie Howe and Ted Lindsay).
Detroit Red Wings record for most goals in a single playoff year (13, tied with Henrik Zetterberg).
Detroit Red Wings record for most game-winning goals in one playoff year (5, 2008)
Detroit Red Wings record for most points in a playoff game (6), May 6, 2010, vs. San Jose Sharks

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The Mule! The 6'3 222 lbs. winger has been CLUTCH time and again. Plus a boatload of intangibles.
I would think that this is a player whose ATD usefulness has receded with time. He is not held in the same esteem as he was 2-3 years ago.

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Johan Franzen

Question of figuring out why Johan Franzen had a brief outlier type peak. Nothing in his SEL career or early NHL career showed the potential for such a brief high performance level.

Examples of similar spikes in due time.

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The IceCaps select:

Marc Bergevin, D
Jeff O'Neill, C/RW

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08-09-2012, 09:34 AM
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I would think that this is a player whose ATD usefulness has receded with time. He is not held in the same esteem as he was 2-3 years ago.
By that logic Souray is a bad pick in even the AA draft!!

Franzen's best three PLAYOFF years ended in 2010, scoring 59 of his 73 career playoff points in a 3-year span. But in the regular season, 10 of his 29 goals in 2011/12 were game winning goals, that's more GWGs last season than Datsyuk and Zetterberg COMBINED!!! His 3rd, 4th, 6th and last, 7th season in the NHL regular season are significant, his 5th season only significant for the fact that it has one of his three great NHL playoffs.

This draft has seen one great playoff postseason picks made. The Mule has had three great playoffs and at least four significant seasons.

As a fourth line winger in this draft (especially given SEVERAL picks made before him and taking on surprisingly bigger roles than his will be), Franzen is excellent for his clutch play when it matters most, his physical play, his ability to help a less physical linemate get ice to skate, his net presence. He is the third best forward on a top NHL club and brings more than just points to the table, though when the game is on the line, he helps in that regard too.

I have always admired his game. And I hate the Wings.


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08-09-2012, 09:35 AM
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Question of figuring out why Johan Franzen had a brief outlier type peak..
THREE BLOODY STRAIGHT GREAT YEARS OF PLAYOFF PERFORMANCES IS AN 'OUTLIER'?????

Please.

This coming from the guy who drafted Erik Karlsson in the first round.

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By that logic Souray is a bad pick in even the AA draft!!

Franzen's best three PLAYOFF years ended in 2010, scoring 59 of his 73 career playoff points in a 3-year span. But in the regular season, 10 of his 29 goals in 2011/12 were game winning goals, that's more GWGs last season than Datsyuk and Zetterberg COMBINED!!! His 3rd, 4th, 6th and last, 7th season in the NHL regaulsr season are significant, his 5th season only significant for the fact that it has one of his three great NHL playoffs.

This draft has seen one great playoff postseason picks made. The Mule has had three great playoffs and at least four significant seasons.

As a fourth line winger in this draft (especially given SEVERAL picks made before him and taking on surprisingly bigger roles than his will be), Franzen is excellent for his clutch play when it matters most, his physical play, his ability to help a less physical linemate get ice to skate, his net presence. He is the third best forward on a top NHL club and brings more than just points to the table, though when the game is on the line, he helps in that regard too.

I have always admired his game. And I hate the Wings. After Yzerman retired, only Kronwall and Franzen made watching the Wings bearable for me (though Zetterberg has grown on me a tinsy bit; Datsyuk is bloody overrated, great at times but at other times the superlatives thrown his way have gone overboard from what I've seen.)
Yeah I'm not someone who puts a lot of stock into GWGs in the regular season, especially the statistic and the relative finishes, unless you go through and catalog the goals and say which ones were in close games and which ones weren't.

For instance, if the Red Wings win 8-1 and the game is over after the first period, if he scores the second goal he gets credit for a GWG when in reality that goal really wasn't that important.

Franzen is a guy that does have some cache as far as being clutch, but it's not because of his regular season GWG totals.

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THREE BLOODY STRAIGHT GREAT YEARS OF PLAYOFF PERFORMANCES IS AN 'OUTLIER'?????

Please.

This coming from the guy who drafted Erik Karlsson in the first round.
59 pts in 51 playoff games combined 14 pts in 37 remaining playoff games yields <.85 ppg, as for great 59 pts is < 1.2 ppg. Great is not a reflection of grouping performance in a favourable light.

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By that logic Souray is a bad pick in even the AA draft!!
I didn't say he was a bad pick. I said his profile has diminished over the past couple of years, which is true of Souray as well. Doesn't mean he shouldn't have been drafted.



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As a fourth line winger in this draft (especially given SEVERAL picks made before him and taking on surprisingly bigger roles than his will be), Franzen is excellent for his clutch play when it matters most, his physical play, his ability to help a less physical linemate get ice to skate, his net presence.
Hell, I just took Buzz Boll. Check out his playoff stats. All I'm saying is that Franzen's clutch play over that 3-year span has to be taken into context with his frustrating seasons ever since.

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08-09-2012, 10:17 AM
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All I'm saying is that Franzen's clutch play over that 3-year span has to be taken into context with his frustrating seasons ever since.
? He has had 28 goal and 29 goal seasons the last two seasons, was injured the season before, since his three year great playoffs.

Let's not confuse team with the individual. He has had only 3 goals and 4 points in the last three playoff series since his three great years. His teammates haven't been exactly lighting the lamp either the last two postseasons.

His 73 playoff points in 88 career playoff games, his 10 great playoff series out of a 16-series career is still decent. And the skillset he brings to the pp, net presence, physicality in the offensive zone and fourth line are noteworthy. That's all I like about this pick.

As I told jkrx via PM before he made the pick, I suggest him for HIS squad (of Swedes; he told me he already was thinking of him). I personally would let him slide to the AAA, simply because there are others I want more still available.

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