HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Pittsburgh Penguins
Notices

Penguins #12 prospect

View Poll Results: Who is our #12 prospect?
Kenneth Agostino (20, Yale/ECAC) 2 1.67%
Teddy Blueger (17, Shattuck St. Mary's/USHS) 45 37.50%
Nick D'Agostino (22, Cornell/ECAC) 8 6.67%
Ben Hanowski (21, St. Cloud State/WCHA) 36 30.00%
Matia Marcantuoni (18, Kitchener Rangers/OHL) 12 10.00%
Oscar Sundqvist (18, Skellefteå U18/SWE) 1 0.83%
Dominik Uher (19, Spokane Chiefs/WHL) 10 8.33%
Keven Veilleux (23, Wilkes-Barre/AHL) 3 2.50%
Scott Wilson (20, UMass-Lowell/Hockey East) 0 0%
Jeff Zatkoff (25, Manchester/AHL) 3 2.50%
Voters: 120. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
08-08-2012, 08:26 PM
  #26
MrBurgundy
Dan was a bad choice
 
MrBurgundy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: GlassCase of Emotion
Country: United States
Posts: 15,705
vCash: 500
I love how the shiny new toys always get the most love for doing the least.

MrBurgundy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-08-2012, 08:39 PM
  #27
EatonBabies
Bylsma Blows!
 
EatonBabies's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,633
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by #66 View Post
Have you seen Hanowski or just looking at his stats? I like that he's going out and cleaning up his skating but until I see at least quicker feet I just can't rank him this high.

No matter the stats... his skating is that bad.
I've seen Hanowski play some. Despite his skating issues he's shown a lot of skills, vision and a good scoring touch to get the job done. It's not the easiest thing for someone to cleanup their skating, but it can happen. Jeffrey's skating went from crap to good in less than a year. And I'm definitely a little more optimistic for Hanowski to be able to, if he's been training with Diane Ness as much as he has this summer.

EatonBabies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-08-2012, 08:59 PM
  #28
jmelm
HFBoards Sponsor
 
jmelm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,357
vCash: 500
It's WAY overdue to add Archibald. Let's not forget, he actually made the WJC team, which not many of our prospects have done.


Voted Agostino, and very surprised I'm the only one. This time last year, every single person on these boards had Agostino in their top-10 and were singing his praises after he put up some points in the US WJC development camp. He may not have made that team, but he's still a very good prospect with higher potential than most of our other guys.

jmelm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-08-2012, 10:11 PM
  #29
Burgs
Registered User
 
Burgs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 5,446
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmelm View Post
It's WAY overdue to add Archibald. Let's not forget, he actually made the WJC team, which not many of our prospects have done.
Point is, did he make the team only because the head coach was also the head coach at UNO and wanted to make his own program look better? Once there, Archibald didn't do much of anything. And he faded badly in the second half of his college season.

Quote:
Voted Agostino, and very surprised I'm the only one. This time last year, every single person on these boards had Agostino in their top-10 and were singing his praises after he put up some points in the US WJC development camp. He may not have made that team, but he's still a very good prospect with higher potential than most of our other guys.
Agostino and several others have fallen victim to the bunch of highly regarded newcomers pushing everyone else down the ranks. But I would still rank him ahead of Blueger. Well, I would rank several of players left ahead of Blueger. The kid may have nice hands and good upside but he has still only played high school hockey whereas Agostino improved nicely as a sophomore, Wilson won conference Freshman of the Year, and Hanowski finally broke out as a points producer. I have all of them above Blueger right now. He could very well leapfrog all of them next summer but I want to see more than some dekes at prospect camp first.

Burgs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-08-2012, 11:57 PM
  #30
MrBurgundy
Dan was a bad choice
 
MrBurgundy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: GlassCase of Emotion
Country: United States
Posts: 15,705
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burgs View Post
Agostino and several others have fallen victim to the bunch of highly regarded newcomers pushing everyone else down the ranks. But I would still rank him ahead of Blueger. Well, I would rank several of players left ahead of Blueger. The kid may have nice hands and good upside but he has still only played high school hockey whereas Agostino improved nicely as a sophomore, Wilson won conference Freshman of the Year, and Hanowski finally broke out as a points producer. I have all of them above Blueger right now. He could very well leapfrog all of them next summer but I want to see more than some dekes at prospect camp first.
Seriously... people get way too caught up in shiny new toy syndrome this time of the year. If these kids prove themselves next year then sure move them up.

MrBurgundy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 02:54 AM
  #31
Valarukar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 483
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBurgundy View Post
Seriously... people get way too caught up in shiny new toy syndrome this time of the year. If these kids prove themselves next year then sure move them up.
Wah wah people don't vote how I want them to on rankings that mean nothing . . . maybe people like being optimistic instead of cynical.

Valarukar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 07:12 AM
  #32
Malke
Registered User
 
Malke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Country: Mauritius
Posts: 36
vCash: 500
Teodors Blugers

Malke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 07:42 AM
  #33
AlanMSaunders
Registered User
 
AlanMSaunders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 600
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to AlanMSaunders
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBurgundy View Post
I love how the shiny new toys always get the most love for doing the least.
Except for Zatkoff. It seems like I'm the only one that knows we have this guy.

AlanMSaunders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 07:50 AM
  #34
Le Magnifique 66
Let's Go Pens
 
Le Magnifique 66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,663
vCash: 500
also add Zlobin

Le Magnifique 66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 08:00 AM
  #35
bigd
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,366
vCash: 500
NHLcom's top 10 as posted in todays addition of 30 in 30.


1] Morrow
2] Despres
3] Dumoulin
4] Maata
5] Pouliot
6] Bennett
7] Harrington
8] Strait
9] Hanowski
10] Marcantuoni

Shocked, no Tangradi or Bortuzzo? Both a year younger than Strait so I don't think it's because they are no longer concidered prospects.


Last edited by bigd: 08-09-2012 at 10:15 AM.
bigd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 09:26 AM
  #36
mrzeigler
Geno and Juss '13
 
mrzeigler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 3,101
vCash: 500
I see this year's high school dazzler has surpassed — at least in the minds of voters — the 2009 model, who has grown into the leader of a college team.

mrzeigler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 09:30 AM
  #37
Darth Vitale
Moderator
Dark Mod Powers
 
Darth Vitale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Fangorn
Country: United States
Posts: 24,535
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBurgundy View Post
I love how the shiny new toys always get the most love for doing the least.
Not impress... halfa da prospec corps doesn't care. I honestly think their goal as prospec, is to do da LEASE work dey can. Dey have no vision for the future, they.... SOFF. Like I never see a bunch of prospec dis soff before. But Zatkoff, he been great for us... thank God.


Last edited by Darth Vitale: 08-09-2012 at 09:35 AM.
Darth Vitale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 09:34 AM
  #38
Darth Vitale
Moderator
Dark Mod Powers
 
Darth Vitale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Fangorn
Country: United States
Posts: 24,535
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigd View Post
NHL's top 10 as posted in todays addition of 30 in 30.


1] Morrow
2] Despres
3] Dumoulin
4] Maata
5] Pouliot
6] Bennett
7] Harrington
8] Strait
9] Hanowski
10] Marcantuoni

Heheh. Other than 8 and 9, this matches my list pretty much to a T. You listen to da chancellor. Dohn be soff! I say this poll needs more Macaroni... it needs more Macaroni!

Darth Vitale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 09:45 AM
  #39
mrzeigler
Geno and Juss '13
 
mrzeigler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 3,101
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale View Post
Heheh. Other than 8 and 9, this matches my list pretty much to a T. You listen to da chancellor. Dohn be soff! I say this poll needs more Macaroni... it needs more Macaroni!
Yes, but it needs more haluski before the macaroni.

mrzeigler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 09:50 AM
  #40
crosby is the sauce
Registered User
 
crosby is the sauce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Country: United States
Posts: 470
vCash: 500
Blueger is taking over? the kid is 17 years old and has only played 2 years in, as competitive as highschools can get, St Mary's. Sure he put up good numbers and has skill but he has yet to really prove himself in at a much higher level. I assume hes getting so many votes solely based on his potential which seems to me this board attributes to skill at a very young age regardless of league and experiences. New toy syndrome is bad this year IMO, I think a forward who puts up greater than a point per game in college (hanowski) proves his worth a lot more than a player who puts up greater than a point per game in high school.

crosby is the sauce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 10:29 AM
  #41
KareemTrustfund
King Shawty Kareem
 
KareemTrustfund's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 12,129
vCash: 50
I would understand the "shiny new toy syndrome" thing being said if Blueger was winning the #8 poll or something, but as of now he has way more potential than guys like Agostino. It's not crazy to believe he'll be better than anyone left on the poll. Ask yourselves "Would i trade Blueger for Agostino straight up?" I answerd no. I did that for every one else left and answered no for all of them too, which is why I voted For Blueger.

KareemTrustfund is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 11:21 AM
  #42
#66
Registered User
 
#66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: United States
Posts: 10,154
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by crosby is the sauce View Post
Blueger is taking over? the kid is 17 years old and has only played 2 years in, as competitive as highschools can get, St Mary's. Sure he put up good numbers and has skill but he has yet to really prove himself in at a much higher level. I assume hes getting so many votes solely based on his potential which seems to me this board attributes to skill at a very young age regardless of league and experiences. New toy syndrome is bad this year IMO, I think a forward who puts up greater than a point per game in college (hanowski) proves his worth a lot more than a player who puts up greater than a point per game in high school.
Yeah but look at Michel Ouellet's numbers with WB. Sometimes you have to look at the players ability and style over his stats.

It says a lot about Hano's skill that he can put up numbers like that while skating so poorly but his skating isn't even close to being NHL average. Thats not going to fly in pro leagues. Its great that he's working on his skating but until we see at least a little improvement I can't put him over Blueger or Uher.

#66 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 12:13 PM
  #43
Sidney the Kidney
Selke BylsmAdams
 
Sidney the Kidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,832
vCash: 80
I'm not in favor of voting Blueger higher than some prospects still on the list for the simple reason he's played at a lower level of hockey (relatively speaking) than them. IMO, he's got to show that his fancy stickhandling and whatnot can translate to a higher level of hockey than high school prep hockey.

Sidney the Kidney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 12:33 PM
  #44
MrBurgundy
Dan was a bad choice
 
MrBurgundy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: GlassCase of Emotion
Country: United States
Posts: 15,705
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valarukar View Post
Wah wah people don't vote how I want them to on rankings that mean nothing . . . maybe people like being optimistic instead of cynical.

MrBurgundy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 12:34 PM
  #45
Kunitziwa
Registered User
 
Kunitziwa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rochester, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 1,981
vCash: 200
Send a message via AIM to Kunitziwa
St Marys is a fairly prestigous school that has graduated a lot of top end NHL talent though, and I think maybe that's why he has gained a bit more favor. I remember Hanowski tore up High School, but I do not remember where (Minnesota somewhere is all I remember). How comparable were the HS stats and league of Bleuger and Hanoski? That being said I still voted Hanowski. closer to playing, and producing in highr league as others have said.

Hands are fun to watch, but ask Rob Schremp how far that got him.

Kunitziwa is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 12:38 PM
  #46
Crafton
Liver-Eating Johnson
 
Crafton's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 9,123
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunitziwa View Post
St Marys is a fairly prestigous school that has graduated a lot of top end NHL talent though, and I think maybe that's why he has gained a bit more favor. I remember Hanowski tore up High School, but I do not remember where (Minnesota somewhere is all I remember). How comparable were the HS stats and league of Bleuger and Hanoski? That being said I still voted Hanowski. closer to playing, and producing in highr league as others have said.

Hands are fun to watch, but ask Rob Schremp how far that got him.
here's a thread that sheds some light on SSM vs. the rest of Minnesota high schools.

Crafton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 01:00 PM
  #47
mrzeigler
Geno and Juss '13
 
mrzeigler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 3,101
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by #66 View Post
Yeah but look at Michel Ouellet's numbers with WB. Sometimes you have to look at the players ability and style over his stats.

It says a lot about Hano's skill that he can put up numbers like that while skating so poorly but his skating isn't even close to being NHL average. Thats not going to fly in pro leagues. Its great that he's working on his skating but until we see at least a little improvement I can't put him over Blueger or Uher.
It's amazing that with just 10 more NHL games played, Michele Ouellet would have transformed from punchline into a respectable NHLer.

mrzeigler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 02:03 PM
  #48
JTG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Sierra Leone
Posts: 38,217
vCash: 500
I always thought Ouellet was a below average NHL'er, but his stats were always OK. It's one of those eye test things for me. The stats aren't telling, IMO.

JTG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 04:02 PM
  #49
#66
Registered User
 
#66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: United States
Posts: 10,154
vCash: 500
I actually kind of liked MO a little. He has good hands and sense and developed a pretty good work ethic under MT.

I remember watching a game when he was with Malkin and Staal. He was first in on the fore check, hit the defender to turn over the puck and then Malkin passed to Staal for the goal. Then later on that night I came on to the boards and posters did nothing but rip MO a new one.

He was an ugly skater to the point that it hurt his shooting. He needed pucks on a platter to score but he learned to keep his feet moving to offset some issues. I wouldn't say "lets get him back" but I didn't think he was all that bad.

#66 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-09-2012, 04:22 PM
  #50
wej20
Registered User
 
wej20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Swansea,UK
Country: Wales
Posts: 20,253
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunitziwa View Post
St Marys is a fairly prestigous school that has graduated a lot of top end NHL talent though, and I think maybe that's why he has gained a bit more favor. I remember Hanowski tore up High School, but I do not remember where (Minnesota somewhere is all I remember). How comparable were the HS stats and league of Bleuger and Hanoski? That being said I still voted Hanowski. closer to playing, and producing in highr league as others have said.

Hands are fun to watch, but ask Rob Schremp how far that got him.
Hanowksi played at a pretty low level for Minnesota High School Hockey.

wej20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:43 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.