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Redwings and Flames in talks about Bouwmeester.

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08-09-2012, 02:16 PM
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If this happens, I have a feeling the return will be Johan Franzen. (just my own speculation of course)

...and if that's the case, then I will be pissed that Ray Shero didn't make a decent pitch, especially with the rumors of Detroit looking at Martin...

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Because feaster has proven to be such a "card shark" of a gm ...

He could have 45 cards and Holland could have 7 and beat him in a game of poker
Well, let's see who wins this game of poker. I think you're going to be in for a big surprise.

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Feaster: trade him for Lidstrom, the guy was very good last year, undervalued this year... Moneyball!

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If this happens, I have a feeling the return will be Johan Franzen. (just my own speculation of course)

...and if that's the case, then I will be pissed that Ray Shero didn't make a decent pitch, especially with the rumors of Detroit looking at Martin...
There's quite a difference between Martin and Bouwmeester.

Posts like this really just how how much people don't know anything.

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If this happens, I have a feeling the return will be Johan Franzen. (just my own speculation of course)

...and if that's the case, then I will be pissed that Ray Shero didn't make a decent pitch, especially with the rumors of Detroit looking at Martin...
I feel like this is a rumor that is happening in Pittsburgh or in Eklund land or something because I haven't heard about this at all. On top of just the fact I don't think Martin can get that kind of return.

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There's quite a difference between Martin and Bouwmeester.

Posts like this really just how how much people don't know anything.


Hello Mr. Kettle...

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I think someone is in denial about the quality of his team. You act as if the Flames are in a position to turn down quality forwards and be picky. Franzen would instantly be the second best skater on that team and the Flames would be better wit him than without regardless of the perceived needs of the team.
In what way does trading relatviely young top pairing defenceman for old vets improve the quality of the Flames now or into the future?

Stempniak who is Calgary current #2 RW scores pretty consistently at .50 PPG. While Franzen is closer to .65PPG. So yes you have an upgrade there. Is that upgrade worth giving up JBO for an older player unfit for a rebuilding team? No.

The Flames also have Baertschi coming in, and hopefully working his way up to #2 RW in the next year or two. So once again, 32 year old Franzen addresses the Flames needs how?

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Except that he isn't a #1 defenseman, nor is he an elite shutdown defenseman. Try again.
He is and He is, you try again.

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There's quite a difference between Martin and Bouwmeester.

Posts like this really just how how much people don't know anything.
http://insidepittsburghsports.com/st...-martin/51444/

And yeah maybe, dependent upon if Detroit wants to take on a $6.7 million dollar contract. Datsyuk money.

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He is and He is, you try again.
The only thing he shuts down is minutes for other defensemen to play.

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He is and He is, you try again.
Calgary must have ridiculously low standards for an elite shutdown defense man because Jay Bo is neither of those things. He is paid like one, but he is a 2nd pairing d-man.

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Hrm...

On the one hand the Flames trading Bouwmeester will put an end to the 'no-playoffs' curse that is Jay Bouwmeester.

On the other hand without Jay Bouwmeester the Flames will have top defenseman of Giordano (who is solid)... then Wideman (who is not...)...

Hrm...

As long at the return isn't crazy from Detroit I don't care either way.

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Ladies and gentlemen, HF, where Paul Martin is as good as Jay Bouwmeester.

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+/- is almost useless.
Yeah, I mean Lidstrom's career +450 for example indicated nothing.

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Another brutal rumor.
Wings arent going to give up much for the Flames scraps.

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A number one D that plays in all situations, longs tons of minutes, good defensively, has some offense, skates like the wind, positionally soild. He doesn't do any one thing that is elite, he is an all around talent. He is not going to show up in the league leaders in points, ect. But he does it all.

The hate for him is ridiculous, if he were to be traded to Detroit, I give you a month into the season and Det would love him.

Just ludacris the comments that are being made around here.

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Well, let's see who wins this game of poker. I think you're going to be in for a big surprise.
Serious question when is the last trade that Feaster slam dunk won? Not trying to be mean but the guy seems to be on the losing end an awful lot more than he wins, especially when he trades stars and I will use that term loosely in terms of JayBo. But he got crushed when he traded both Richards and Boyle in his previous stop.

Maybe he has learned, but I guess equally important name the last trade Holland got crushed in?

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http://insidepittsburghsports.com/st...-martin/51444/

And yeah maybe, dependent upon if Detroit wants to take on a $6.7 million dollar contract. Datsyuk money.
Cap space is useless unless you use them. Where else are they going to spend the money if they don't land another big player?

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Flames fans acting like Feaster is about to school the Detroit Red Wings brain trust...lol.

99% chance that Flip is not a part of a J-Bo package if it happens. If that doesn't work for the Flames, then so be it.

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Feaster: trade him for Lidstrom, the guy was very good last year, undervalued this year... Moneyball!
Lidstrom will not get you Bouwmeester, we want Gordie Howe.

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Cap space is useless unless you use them. Where else are they going to spend the money if they don't land another big player?
I would rather see the Wings not make the playoffs and let the prospects play. Acquiring high priced medicore players is the worst possible move a franchise can make.

See Jay Bouwmeester.

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Yeah, I mean Lidstrom's career +450 for example indicated nothing.
Using +/- on its own to decide how good someone really is, without taking the quality of the team they played for, the quality of their linemates/partners and quality of opposition they faced on nightly basis into account is beyond dumb.

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Serious question when is the last trade that Feaster slam dunk won? Not trying to be mean but the guy seems to be on the losing end an awful lot more than he wins, especially when he trades stars and I will use that term loosely in terms of JayBo. But he got crushed when he traded both Richards and Boyle in his previous stop.

Maybe he has learned, but I guess equally important name the last trade Holland got crushed in?
I don't know if it is a slam dunk but he was heavily criticized for this deal.


Feaster traded his first when he was in TB I think in 2003-2004, to Philly for 2 seconds and Fedotenko I believe. Flyers ended up drafting pitkanen, Tampa won the cup, Fedotenko had a strong playoff for TB that year too.


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A number one D that plays in all situations, longs tons of minutes, good defensively, has some offense, skates like the wind, positionally soild. He doesn't do any one thing that is elite, he is an all around talent. He is not going to show up in the league leaders in points, ect. But he does it all.

The hate for him is ridiculous, if he were to be traded to Detroit, I give you a month into the season and Det would love him.

Just ludacris the comments that are being made around here.
... Not sure how much you watch him play... he eats lots of minutes, sure... but he's still been fairly mediocre the last couple years.

Last year:

69 hits, 118 blocked shots, 60 give-aways/25 take-aways

Few comparisons around the same mins:

Dan Girardi:

211 hits, 185 blocked shots, 61 give-aways/31 take-aways

Francois Beauchemin:

154 hits, 194 blocked shots, 47 give-aways/30 take-aways

James Wisniewksi (over 82 games averaged):

85 hits, 126 blocked shots, 38 give-aways/27 take-aways

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Serious question when is the last trade that Feaster slam dunk won? Not trying to be mean but the guy seems to be on the losing end an awful lot more than he wins, especially when he trades stars and I will use that term loosely in terms of JayBo. But he got crushed when he traded both Richards and Boyle in his previous stop.

Maybe he has learned, but I guess equally important name the last trade Holland got crushed in?
Yeah. Trading Dan Boyle for Lukowich, Wishart (looked very promising at the time) Matt Carle, and a 1st which was used to acquire Meszaros.

Tampa Bay Lightning traded Brad Richards and Johan Holmqvist to the Dallas Stars for Mike Smith, Jeff Halpern, Jussi Jokinen and a 4th round selection in 2009.

Mike Smith was also a good young goalie at the time backing up Marty Turco, for whatever reason he didn't work out in Tampa.

But yeah, Feaster sux at every trade. lololol

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