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08-10-2012, 08:24 AM
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4 1sts from the isles? I might be tempted actually.
That isn't what you would get back for those cap figures.

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I know the Isles would never do this but say they offer sheet Subban for a 10 year/50 million dollar deal. Do the Habs match?
5 million cap hit over 10 years for Subban? Of course they match!

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If subban doesn't wanna resign with the habs, then i guess carlson doesn't wanna resign with washington, and del zotto doesn't wanna resign
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4 1sts from the isles? I might be tempted actually.
I saw this, it would only be a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd. I might be wrong though. So if the average salary is 5 million a year you would only get 3 picks with one being a 1st.


$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks

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08-10-2012, 08:28 AM
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That isn't what you would get back for those cap figures.
It's divided by 5 years I think, not 10. So it's 4 1sts. Might be wrong though.

A 5 year cap hit for 10 years, you would probably doing us a favor though Philly style though but more so.

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5 million cap hit over 10 years for Subban? Of course they match!
I figured they would, how high would the salary have to be to at least get the Habs worried?

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I figured they would, how high would the salary have to be to at least get the Habs worried?
We wouldn't be worried regardless. We can dump Gomez to the minors and free up 7+ mil.

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The contract problem of Subban about the term of years still there but even if Hamonic is a very good player, I really think PK value is better than that. The Canadiens need big talented left wing and the Isles don't have this player to make the deal except Moulson who's not in the traded block.

But the personality of Subban can make him out of Montreal one day even if the fans are crazy about him.

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Um... This guy says hello on your first point.

Kronwall is the best hitter the Islanders have had since Kasparitis?

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I saw this, it would only be a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd. I might be wrong though. So if the average salary is 5 million a year you would only get 3 picks with one being a 1st.


$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks
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My thoughts are that even though the average annual value compensation for the entire deal is in the two firsts, one second, and one third range, because the deal is greater than five years the AAV for draft pick compensation is based off the total contract amount divided by 5 years, which puts this squarely in the four first round pick category.
Taken from an article during the Shea Weber offersheet fiasco..

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08-10-2012, 08:38 AM
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I figured they would, how high would the salary have to be to at least get the Habs worried?
Hard to say? My guess is that the only kind of salary that would get the Habs worried would be the type of contact that no other team would want to risk giving Subban. We have cap space and options (ie. Gomez to AHL), so a potential offer sheet for Subban isnt really a concern.

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08-10-2012, 08:49 AM
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I like Subban a lot, but I like Hamonic more.

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I like Hamonic, a lot, but no way this benefits the Habs at all.

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08-10-2012, 09:24 AM
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Hamonic is under team control for one more year. He's less of an offensive player, and will likely command less salary than Subban. Having JT's "best friend" on the team is a zero issue.

Not in terms of player value, but given the circumstances, we'll keep Hamonic. This is a pointless trade.

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08-10-2012, 09:31 AM
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The point is the Isles D hasnt been feared in decades. I dont remember anyone that could hit like Subban since Darius Kasperitis. Subban is a game changer when it comes to his hits. This is also JT's team, you really think JT doesnt tell Garth who he would want on his team?
Have you seen Emelin hit?

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08-10-2012, 09:42 AM
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I wouldn't make that deal but what about something like this:

Isles 2013 First, Andrew MacDonald, and good prospect(Nelson)

for

Subban

I'm thinking it's not enough but is that something to get the ball rolling?

I know the Isles would never do this but say they offer sheet Subban for a 10 year/50 million dollar deal. Do the Habs match?
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I saw this, it would only be a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd. I might be wrong though. So if the average salary is 5 million a year you would only get 3 picks with one being a 1st.


$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks
Compensation is limited to the total salary divided by the length OR 5 if the offer is longer than 5 years. 50mil/5yrs = 10mil which is 4 1sts.

http://thehockeywriters.com/2011-12-...nsation-rules/

If it was from the Isles I'd seriously consider it.

As for the OP, I like Hamonic, but at the moment Subban is on another level. Much higher offensive output, better +/- on a worse team with a better Qoc Relative Corsi. I like Hamonic's physical game and its certainly something Montreal can use, but not at the cost of Subban, who is no slouch physically either. Honestly, the + would have to be VERY enticing. As for the other offers, nothing really interests me.


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Compensation is limited to the total salary divided by the length OR 5 if the offer is longer than 5 years. 50mil/5yrs = 10mil which is 4 1sts.

http://thehockeywriters.com/2011-12-...nsation-rules/

If it was from the Isles I'd seriously consider it.

As for the OP, I like Hamonic, but at the moment Subban is on another level. Much higher offensive output, better +/- on a worse team with a better Qoc Relative Corsi. I like Hamonic's physical game and its certainly something Montreal can use, but not at the cost of Subban, who is no slouch physically either. Honestly, the + would have to be VERY enticing. As for the other offers, nothing really interests me.
Seriously? Hamonic was a +6, while his teammates were a -34(Jurcina), -27(Streit), -19(Staios), -17(Eaton), and -5(Amac). Hamonic is underrated offensively also, he should definitely put up more points this year playing with Streit or Visnovsky.

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Have you seen Emelin hit?
Was just about to post this. Nothing against Subban's hitting ability but he's not even the best hitter on the Canadiens. If he meant that just the Islanders haven't seen a hitter like Subban since Kasparaitis, which i'm pretty sure he meant, then he might have a point, but if he's talking about league wide then he's out to lunch.

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I don't see why habs would do this. They have zero incentive.

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Kronwall is the best hitter the Islanders have had since Kasparitis?
That was posted to I can't remember anyone that can hit like Subban since Kasparitis. Not his status with a team or anything like that, that he is somehow the most feared hitter in the game. I think Subban is up there but he isn't quite working with Kronwall's resume.


As for the back and forth on the RFA compensation. I thought they used the highest five years of the contract not divided the whole monetary figure by just five. Now in most cases since they were front loaded it made the contracts bigger. But I admit I could be wrong on this.

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Can't wait til PK is signed to stop all this nonsense.

You'd need to MASSIVELY overpay to get PK, and as far as I'm concerned Hamonic is an underpayment.

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4 1sts from the isles? I might be tempted actually.
It would be 1st, 2nd, 3rd. Not 4 1sts.

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I think it works on paper, but not *in* the papers. Bergevin wouldn't be able to sell a lateral move for a player with less flare to the majority of the fanbase. Especially this early in his tenure.

If Subban goes, it's for a forward.

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No way. I like Hammer too much.

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