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08-08-2012, 11:05 PM
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Shouldn't be considered "strange" after you read the reasoning behind the choice. Can't deny the story around him this year is intriguing and outside the norm. I certainly wasn't suggesting that he's Montreal's top prospect or anything.

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I've written him off. His time in NoDak was weak and he couldn't keep up and then move to WestMich/red-shirting just made things worse.

I remember reading up some more on him after the draft and reading/hearing certain people saying he has decent talent but not the work ethic.

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Alex G. 1+1 against Sweden. Hoorah.

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Shouldn't be considered "strange" after you read the reasoning behind the choice. Can't deny the story around him this year is intriguing and outside the norm. I certainly wasn't suggesting that he's Montreal's top prospect or anything.

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Just seems a bit obscure compared to other teams "Ones to Watch."

it's an inspired choice and hope he has a great season.

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Well that brutal punishment to Windsor won't help Vail's chances of getting into the MemCup with them but they could always just sell their players for high picks and rookies.

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Here's my rankings for the rest of the Montreal Canadiens prospects who were not on the Top 20 list for the article. You can compare them to this board's rankings which you polled earlier.

After the Top 20 prospects:

21. (18) Alexander Avtsin, RW 7.0D
This will be his third year in the AHL and needs to bring the intensity and physical game to the rink each night. Avtsin has good offensive talent and skills, just doesn't seem to show the desire or any consistency. Gallagher being in the AHL with Hamilton could really spark players like him. He dropped off of the Top 20 list because Nattinen shows more of an all-round game.

22. (19) Brendon Nash, D, 6.5C
Missed the whole year with shoulder surgery and needs to show his form before the injury, is still there.

23. (NR) Mark Macmillan, LW, 7.0D
MacMillan could move up if he improves this season at UND on his good freshman year. He could get to play with Kristo on the first line and then we'll really see what he's has as far as talent goes. The lanky winger needs to get bigger to play his physical style of play and has three more years of development at UND to show more improvement.

24. (NR)* Brady Vail, C, 6.5C
Vail is a good shutdown centerman and could have some offensive upside. He needs to improve his skating, shot and patience with the puck. The big centerman should bring better offensive numbers this coming season in the OHL.

25. (20) Daniel Pribyl, C, 6.5C
He’s another big centerman. He's a bigger version similar to Plekanec with good offensive upside if he ever comes to North America. Others above him just showed more improvement and he will need to come to N.A in order to take the next step in his development.

26. (NR) Josiah Didier, D, 6.5C
Didier is similar to Nash and Pateryn but less offensive. A real physical, shot blocking defensive defenseman. He plays big minutes as a shutdown defender and on the penalty killing unit but has more offensive upside and will only get bigger and stronger. He needs to improve his puck moving and offensive game.

27. (NR) Gabriel Dumont, C, 6.5C
Dumont is similar type to Gallagher with less offensive potential but plays a more physical game. He doesn't back down but needs to improve his overall game this season to keep playing with the Canadiens’ organization.

28. (NR)* Erik Nystrom, LW, 6.5C
Nystrom could be higher up on this list and his rating. He has a chance of playing for Sweden in the WJC Tournament this year. He has good offensive upside and makes things happen almost every time he's on the ice. Hope to see him at the WJC to determine where he really fits but believe he might be higher up in the ratings.

29. (NR) Olivier Archambault, LW 6.5C dropped from 7.0D
He needs to bring a better attitude towards work ethic and using his teammates. He has to improve his defensive game or he might not receive an entry level contract by the end of this year. Just because he's Quebec- born doesn't mean he's automatically going to get the next step with the Canadiens. He will need to earn it because he won't make it on raw talent alone.

30. (21) Magnus Nygren, D, 6.5C
He needs a lot of overall defensive improvement but has an outstanding shot from the point and more of a puck moving, power play specialists at this point. If he can't improve his defensive game then he could be released similar to John Westin at the June 2013 deadline.

31. (NR) Ian Schultz, RW, 6.0D
Schultz improved a lot this past year but needs to take the next step. He will only get to the NHL with hard work, better skating, some offensive skills and playing a really physical game.

32. (NR) Colin Sullivan, D, 6.5C
Sullivan will start his freshman season at the NCAA level for Boston College and we will get a really good look at how good a skater and what kind of defensive game he possesses. The big defender will have four year of development at B.C so it's too early to tell where he really fits on this list.

33. (NR) Peter Delmas, G, 6.5C
He's better than Mayer and should be the Bulldogs back-up this season behind Desjardins. It takes time to develop a young goalie so he needs to learn behind a good veteran and up his skill level against better players in the AHL.

34. (NR) Philippe Lefebvre, LW, 6.5D
He's a good two-way player but need to bring more offense and more physicality to his game. If he doesn't improve out of training camp them he might find himself in the ECHL to improve his offensive game.

35. (NR) Alain Berger, RW, 6.5D from 7.0D
He seems like a younger Blunden but this was only his rookie season in the AHL so let's see if he progresses in his development as a possible power forward. Berger has a really good shot just doesn't use it enough and needs to widen his skating stance and get more knee flex over the toes of his skates. He's just too upright to generate any power, balance or speed which is normal for a tall man. Berger could see time in the ECHL to help regain his confidence in scoring.

36. (NR) Maxim Trunev, RW, 6.5D from 7.0D
He doesn't seem to be very interested in playing in N.A.as he signed a three year contract to play for Lokomotiv Yaroslavl of the KHL. He will get the opportunity to prove himself and improve his overall game on the new team being re-built after the tragic plane crash last September. It is highly unlikely that the Russian will be coming to the NHL any time soon.

37. (NR) Robert Mayer, G, 6.0C
Mayer has consistency problems and needs to put it together right out of training camp or could end up as the odd man out in Hamilton. He might see time in the ECHL.

38. (NR) Dustin Walsh, C, 6.0D
Walsh needs to stay healthy for the whole year and show his offensive game at the NCAA level. He could find himself without a contract after finishing school.

39. (NR) Michael Cichy, C, 6.0D
He has two years to show his offensive game that the Canadiens show when they drafted him. The transfer to WMU might help with Murray as his coach because he needs to improve his work ethic and prove that he made the right decision leaving UND.

40. (NR) Joe Stejskal, D, 5.5C
Stejskal struggled in his rookie AHL season and never show his physical defensive style. You can be a minus 15 rating if you don't have an offensive game and supposed to be a shutdown defensive defender. He could find himself in the ECHL or in the stands if he doesn't improve his overall game this season.


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08-10-2012, 05:25 PM
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Do you think Collberg could change that D to a C if he continues his strong international play but produces in the SEL?

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08-10-2012, 05:30 PM
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Here's my rankings for the rest of the Montreal Canadiens prospects who were not on the Top 20 list for the article. You can compare them to this board's rankings which you polled earlier.

After the Top 20 prospects:

[23. (NR) Mark Macmillan, LW, 7.0D
MacMillan could move up if he improves this season at UND on his good freshman year. He could get to play with Kristo on the first line and then we'll really see what he's has as far as talent goes. The lanky winger needs to get bigger to play his physical style of play and has three more years of development at UND to show more improvement.

25. (20) Daniel Pribyl, C, 6.5C
He’s another big centerman. He's a bigger version similar to Plekanec with good offensive upside if he ever comes to North America. He should play again in the WJC tournament this year for the Czech team in a bigger offensive role. Others above him just showed more improvement and he will need to come to N.A in order to take the next step in his development.

26. (NR) Josiah Didier, D, 6.5C
Didier is similar to Nash and Pateryn but less offensive. A real physical, shot blocking defensive defenseman. He plays big minutes as a shutdown defender and on the penalty killing unit but has more offensive upside and will only get bigger and stronger. He needs to improve his puck moving and offensive game.
MacMillan was used mostly at center last year and he did spend some time on Kristo's line when the coach tried to break up the big line to spread out the scoring.

Pribly is not eligible for the WJC's.

Didier is nothing like Nash.

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Yea Didier can bring more offense than Pateryn that's for sure.

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MacMillan was used mostly at center last year and he did spend some time on Kristo's line when the coach tried to break up the big line to spread out the scoring.

Pribly is not eligible for the WJC's.

Didier is nothing like Nash.
That's quite funny.

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That's quite funny.
There's something funny in what montreal said ?

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MacMillan was used mostly at center last year and he did spend some time on Kristo's line when the coach tried to break up the big line to spread out the scoring.

Pribly is not eligible for the WJC's.

Didier is nothing like Nash.
Oops, you are right about Pribyl, he has a December birthday so he can't play as he will be 20.

MacMillan is listed by the Canadiens as a LW and is on their actual depth charts as one but he did play the center position most of the year with all the injuries at UND. It is great for his development to play more positions. Ex. Holland is listed as a RW but played his rookie season at LW then most of his second year at center but played mostly RW this past year. He took important face-offs and play the center position on the penalty kill and defense on the power play. So what's is position really? RW, so MacMillan could play center or LW with Kristo this year in UND but then again you never really know what could happen with injuries or lack of scoring.

Didier is closer to Pateryn than Nash but he isn't even comparable because each player plays differently. What I meant was that Didier is more defensive minded like them but hasn't really shown his offensive capabilities yet in the NCAA. He could be better than both of them as he has three more years of development at the NCAA level.

Thanks again for the Pribyl catch, missed that one.

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Do you think Collberg could change that D to a C if he continues his strong international play but produces in the SEL?
There are a lot of options for Collberg next season and he could easily move to a C ranking if he can produce in the SEL and has a better performance at the WJC.

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Thought everyone would like to know that I met and got pictures with Nathan Beaulieu tonight the Jays game. He's such a nice guy and it was really cool meeting him. He was packing a huge bomb at the time and seemed to be having a nice time with his friends so it was nice to see.

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Thought everyone would like to know that I met and got pictures with Nathan Beaulieu tonight the Jays game. He's such a nice guy and it was really cool meeting him. He was packing a huge bomb at the time and seemed to be having a nice time with his friends so it was nice to see.
Excuse the ignorance, but what does that mean?

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Was chewing a good amount of smokeless tobacco.

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38. (NR) Dustin Walsh, C, 6.0D
Walsh needs to stay healthy for the whole year and show his offensive game at the NCAA level. He could find himself without a contract after finishing school.
This guy is seriously underrated.

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This guy is seriously underrated.
I agree.

How can players like Berger and Lefebvre who are absolute garbage be ahead of a player with legitimate upside.

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I agree.

How can players like Berger and Lefebvre who are absolute garbage be ahead of a player with legitimate upside.
Stupid expression. Are you in the AHL ?

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Stupid expression. Are you in the AHL ?
I didn't realize that this forum was primarily a Wheeling Nailer/Bulldog forum . As far as NHL prospects are concerned.....yes they are garbage.

Using your logic there shouldn't even be a HF forum as apparently the minimum requirement to have a critical opinion is a position in the AHL

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I didn't realize that this forum was primarily a Wheeling Nailer/Bulldog forum . As far as NHL prospects are concerned.....yes they are garbage.

Using your logic there shouldn't even be a HF forum as apparently the minimum requirement to have a critical opinion is a position in the AHL
Having a critical opinion is one thing. I actually think more posters should have a critical opinion on our prospects. For example, reading the article on our top 20, you get the impression we are a top 5 teams in terms of prospect pool which is not the case at all. There is not enough emphasis on our prospects weaknesses/areas they need to work on, but that is just my opinion and I'm sure many disagree with this.

As for calling a young man "garbage", that is not being critical. It's rude and classless. First, because these boards are accessible to anyone: players, famillies and friends. Second, because it does not bring anything to the argumentation. If you want to say you believe they have no chance of reaching the NHL, that's fine, there are others ways to express that.

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Having a critical opinion is one thing. I actually think more posters should have a critical opinion on our prospects. For example, reading the article on our top 20, you get the impression we are a top 5 teams in terms of prospect pool which is not the case at all. There is not enough emphasis on our prospects weaknesses/areas they need to work on, but that is just my opinion and I'm sure many disagree with this.

As for calling a young man "garbage", that is not being critical. It's rude and classless. First, because these boards are accessible to anyone: players, famillies and friends. Second, because it does not bring anything to the argumentation. If you want to say you believe they have no chance of reaching the NHL, that's fine, there are others ways to express that.
Are you always this sensitive?

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I agree.

How can players like Berger and Lefebvre who are absolute garbage be ahead of a player with legitimate upside.
You can't say Berger & Lefebvre are garbage after playong only their rookie seasons in the AHL. If they are still there after four seasons and not showing improvement then call it what you want but for me they simply aren't NHL caliber at that time. It way to early to write-off young players who are playing in the league just below the NHL!

Walsh is underrated for a reason because he struggled with injuries this season but he has improved his game each of his years in the NCAA. He nneds to rebound this season and if he can put up a PPG this season then he will be offered a NHl entry level contract but he has to stay healthy.

It's hard to compare Walsh in the NCAA to Berger & Lefebvre in the AHL but if you look at those two in junior to Walsh in the NCAA then they have played better than him. Again, sometime the light bulb comes on at different times for each player, early bloomer vs late bloomer. You just never know and that's why it's a crap shoot!

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