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08-10-2012, 05:15 PM
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Exactly, unless he's part of a package to get one of the games elite players, it makes no sense for us to move him. The same could be said of Myers, so instead of crapping on the other teams player take it for what it is and move on.

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08-10-2012, 05:18 PM
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Switch RNH for Eberle and I bet Oilers do it, theyd be dumb not to.

Eberle + Jones for Myers + Enroth. They address both needs for a player that can easily be replaced by Yakupov.

Theyd still have Hall + RNH + Yakupov up front, while having Myers on D and Enroth as starter.

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08-10-2012, 06:07 PM
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Switch RNH for Eberle and I bet Oilers do it, theyd be dumb not to.

Eberle + Jones for Myers + Enroth. They address both needs for a player that can easily be replaced by Yakupov.

Theyd still have Hall + RNH + Yakupov up front, while having Myers on D and Enroth as starter.
Buffalo doesn't even consider it.

Myers isnt moving.

RNH isn't moving.

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Switch RNH for Eberle and I bet Oilers do it, theyd be dumb not to.

Eberle + Jones for Myers + Enroth. They address both needs for a player that can easily be replaced by Yakupov.

Theyd still have Hall + RNH + Yakupov up front, while having Myers on D and Enroth as starter.
It would be one of the dumbest moves if they did it. I can see Yakupov being traded, but not a proven NHLer like Eberle that has improved each year he's played, were Myers has stepped backwards since his rookie alstar season. Really like Myers, but not at the cost of Eberle, especially when Yakupov hasn't done anything to prove he's the same calliper as Eberle.

Is Enroth ready, it's questionable and it's debatable if he's better then Dubynk and Bunz.

Smart move is to pass, and wait to see if Marincin could be the same type of D Myers is.

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Switch RNH for Eberle and I bet Oilers do it, theyd be dumb not to.

Eberle + Jones for Myers + Enroth. They address both needs for a player that can easily be replaced by Yakupov.

Theyd still have Hall + RNH + Yakupov up front, while having Myers on D and Enroth as starter.
I think the sabres could probably do better than this but I do like Eberle.

Doesn't matter because Myers isn't going anywhere. 6foot 8 guys that skate like the wind and can handle the puck are alot harder to find than a goal scorer. Plus he is getting more physical. Should be a force to reckon with for 10 plus years. Controls the whole game by himself.

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Just proves you've never seen Myers play.Myers is a great skater, fast and smooth.Scotty Bowman has said Myers is the best big man skater he has ever seen in his life.Your right, he is slow and bad Like I said, Myers has the calder and IS on the level of Doughty,Pietrangelo etc.Myers had a better rookie season then any PLAYER from the 08 draft.Myers had only 5 less points his rookie year then Doughty+Karlsson COMBINED.And took a non-playoff team to a division title his rookie year.

Myers is a proven #1.RNH is not better at the moment, and stop discrediting Myers potential, his ceiling is higher then RNH.There is no player 6'8 that can skate,pass and shoot like Myers can.(Chara has the shot but Myers is the better skater/passer)
Hahahah its hilarious that you bring RNH into every post but you dont reply to the Crosby post?!?!??!

So Myers>>>Crosby? After all Myers won a Calder unlike Crosby and Crosby didnt lift his team out of bottom 2!!!

Bottom line RNH is better than Myers and has more value than him. End of story.

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Hahahah its hilarious that you bring RNH into every post but you dont reply to the Crosby post?!?!??!

So Myers>>>Crosby? After all Myers won a Calder unlike Crosby and Crosby didnt lift his team out of bottom 2!!!

Bottom line RNH is better than Myers and has more value than him. End of story.
Great response. I still don't get why people use team accomplishments and rookie years (when there are other years to look at) to judge potential.

Maybe we should flip Gagner and MPS for Seguin

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Agree to disagree about Adam's confidence being a result of Ruff tinkering with his lines. He had Adam as a non-productive player on that line, a guy who was overmatched by his defensive assignments, for weeks before knocking him off that unit. Question communication with Adam, sure, but Luke has to know that blown checking assignments and a complete lack of chances generated aren't going to result in ice time. It doesn't when a guy is 13, it doesn't when he's 22.


The issue with Adam was not his lack of offensive production---he had 20 pts in 25 games but was NOT part of the PP.


The issue was his defensive lapses the Ruff got on his back about.

Remember last year was officially is rookie year. There is still time for him to grow and gain more confidence.

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Switch RNH for Eberle and I bet Oilers do it, theyd be dumb not to.

Eberle + Jones for Myers + Enroth. They address both needs for a player that can easily be replaced by Yakupov.

Theyd still have Hall + RNH + Yakupov up front, while having Myers on D and Enroth as starter.
Annnnd Buffalo doesn't even consider it. Myers is just as untouchable to us as RNH is to you. There's (pretty much) nothing he moves for. He's far too important to the team. Last year we won about 70% of the games he was in the line-up for. Kid has the ability to dominate games.

Eberles are much easier to find than Myerses. Goal-scoring wingers? We already have a few. 6'8" d-men who skate better than anyone that size should even be able to and that have his level of skill offensively and defensively? Yeah, not so many.

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Great response. I still don't get why people use team accomplishments and rookie years (when there are other years to look at) to judge potential.

Maybe we should flip Gagner and MPS for Seguin
If you think you'd get Myers for anything less than RNH, just in terms of value, then I don't think you've ever looked at him/watched him play.

That aside, you wouldn't get him for RNH either. Because we have a glut of young potentially stud centers that we just need to play the waiting game with. And Myers>>>>adding more to that pool.

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If you think you'd get Myers for anything less than RNH, just in terms of value, then I don't think you've ever looked at him/watched him play.

That aside, you wouldn't get him for RNH either. Because we have a glut of young potentially stud centers that we just need to play the waiting game with. And Myers>>>>adding more to that pool.
I know, I was pointing out that the reply that the other poster made was good. The argument (that he was replying to) was made based upon the Calder and what was accomplished in Myers' rookie season.

In my opinion, Myers is probably comparable in value to the Oilers big 4. I'd say more than Eberle

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Hey if there are Oiler fans who think Myers is overrated that's fine by me, I'm sure the vast majority of Sabres fans will have no problem holding on to our "overrated" D-man.

However given that Myers is absolutely not being traded, it's a moot point.

Leopold/Adam for Gagner is a decent starting point.

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If I were Buffalo then I'd rather keep Myers and if I were Edm then I'd rather keep RNH.

But Edm fans are really underrating Myers here tbh. His potential is through the roof. Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Subban, Carlson, etc might have good skating ability/offensive instinct and good defence but none of them have all that combined with the size Myers does and the potential for his mean streak. imo, no1 dman = no1 C and in this case, the no1 dman is quite a unique one.

Also if we're making assumptions here then I know already that Myers can play 25 mins a night on both ends. He's shown it before though lately it's been focused more on the defense side. With RNH, we're assuming he's gonna turn into an 80 point+ scorer who can play tougher minutes when the time comes.

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This thread is based on A BS post by Eklund and both fanbases know it.

If Buff moved Myers now it would be a Prongerish mistake AKA Hartford, and we all saw how that worked out for them.

If Edm moved RNH it would be a Thortonish mistake AKA boston and see how that worked out for them.

Move along people nothing to see here!

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look at any 2011 draft thread on the oilers board and you will see the oiler fans value a number 1c more then a 1d as they have been able to acquire 1d in the past but never a 1c as for the guy who said buf doesnt do this as they have elite center prospects thats like edm saying they dont do it because they have gernet/marincin etc not in the same league as the nhl player

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This thread is based on A BS post by Eklund and both fanbases know it.

If Buff moved Myers now it would be a Prongerish mistake AKA Hartford, and we all saw how that worked out for them.

If Edm moved RNH it would be a Thortonish mistake AKA boston and see how that worked out for them.

Move along people nothing to see here!
Agreed. It hasn't turned into a massive pissing match like I expected (thank you Buffalo fans for not being like TO and Boston fans), but there really is nothing to discuss

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Agreed. It hasn't turned into a massive pissing match like I expected (thank you Buffalo fans for not being like TO and Boston fans), but there really is nothing to discuss
Edmonton needs a stud defenseman
Edmonton has three blue chip prospects in Klefbom,Schultz,Marincin

Buffalo needs a stud centre
Buffalo has two blue chip prospects in Grigorenko, Hodgson

Neither team is going to fill a hole by creating another while hoping a prospect fills

Gagner won't be traded for Luke Adam or another 2/3 pairing defenseman while they still have zero 2c options, and Smid, Petry, Whitney, N.Schultz, Sutton, Potter, Peckham, and J.Schultz all somehow pencilled in next season. Plus they just re-signed him

Enroth doesnt make sense either unless Khabibulin(very unlikely) is going back the other way. They have Dubnyk who's more proven on a new contract. Olivier Roy had a great 1st pro-season and will be in the AHL next season. Tyler Bunz has just finished an excellent Jr. career.

I'm sure Buffalo fans have their reasons as well

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The issue with Adam was not his lack of offensive production---he had 20 pts in 25 games but was NOT part of the PP.


The issue was his defensive lapses the Ruff got on his back about.

Remember last year was officially is rookie year. There is still time for him to grow and gain more confidence.
Adam had 9 points in his last 41 games last year. He stopped producing points after the debacle against the Bruins (on for four goals against, picked up a PP assist) except for a few games with Leino and Kassian in mid-December. From that Bruin game to the Leino centered line was a couple of weeks of poor all around play, not just defensively. He didn't play well and Ruff pulled him off the top line with Vanek and Pominville. He had middling success for a few games on the other line, then it went south there too and he didn't recover. I think Ruff lives with the lack of footspeed on his back checking or the blown d-zone positioning or the poor faceoff percentage if he was producing anything in the offensive zone. He didn't.

And yes, last year was only his second pro year and basically a rooky season in the NHL. He still needs to improve his game and what he does do looks like a much better fit as a second line LW and PP specialist than it does as an NHL center.

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Exactly, unless he's part of a package to get one of the games elite players, it makes no sense for us to move him. The same could be said of Myers, so instead of crapping on the other teams player take it for what it is and move on.
I personally think RNH is going to be one of those elite players soon. That kid is an unreal talent.

Neither team does the OP's proposal. It just doesn't work for either side.

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I personally think RNH is going to be one of those elite players soon. That kid is an unreal talent.

Neither team does the OP's proposal. It just doesn't work for either side.
Yeah, RNH will be a dandy player. Myers is a unique combination for sure, if he can up his physical play and get back to the 45+ point mark he will be one of the games best at his position for sure and a guy that you'd want on your side at all costs. That said I've yet to recall him showing a mean streak like Chara for example. I remember hearing that he has it in him, just that I haven't seen it yet. If he does start to unleash that every now and then players will be scared crapless of him.

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Yeah, RNH will be a dandy player. Myers is a unique combination for sure, if he can up his physical play and get back to the 45+ point mark he will be one of the games best at his position for sure and a guy that you'd want on your side at all costs. That said I've yet to recall him showing a mean streak like Chara for example. I remember hearing that he has it in him, just that I haven't seen it yet. If he does start to unleash that every now and then players will be scared crapless of him.
Yeah, we've been waiting for it. His overall physicality is definitely improving though. The learning curve there has been a little tough for him because of how big he is; he's had a tough time, I think, figuring out how to hit average or below-average sized players without taking a penalty. I think Myers' admiration of Regehr is probably the bulk of the reason the Sabres worked so hard to acquire him -- to give Myers more of a mentor as far as the physical game goes. In any case, even if his physical game never becomes anything special, he's still got a boatload of skill at both ends to fall back on.

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Yeah, RNH will be a dandy player. Myers is a unique combination for sure, if he can up his physical play and get back to the 45+ point mark he will be one of the games best at his position for sure and a guy that you'd want on your side at all costs. That said I've yet to recall him showing a mean streak like Chara for example. I remember hearing that he has it in him, just that I haven't seen it yet. If he does start to unleash that every now and then players will be scared crapless of him.

Chara didn't become "Chara" for years...... In his early years Chara was soft as butter.

Myers is starting to develop and learn the physical game.. It'll come.

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I posted it on page 1 and it somehow got ignored.


2001 Edmonton Oilers trade Doug Weight. 2001-2012 oilers do not have a first line center ever. During that same time Pronger, Vishnovsky, Souray, Whitney (pre-injury), Pitkanen etc were all aquired at costs far less then RNH.

It may not be this way to the league or 29 other teams but to Oiler fans 1st line center > 1st pairing dman

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Chara didn't become "Chara" for years...... In his early years Chara was soft as butter.

Myers is starting to develop and learn the physical game.. It'll come.
I didn't really get to see much of Chara early on, but IIRC didn't he have a ton of pim's in the WHL? Either way as Myers gets older and stronger he will be tougher to play against for sure. The other poster mentioned hitting smaller guys being a challenge, that is true, when you tower over your opponents the principle point of contact might look dirty regardless of if the taller player was attempting to be dirty or not.

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I didn't really get to see much of Chara early on, but IIRC didn't he have a ton of pim's in the WHL? Either way as Myers gets older and stronger he will be tougher to play against for sure. The other poster mentioned hitting smaller guys being a challenge, that is true, when you tower over your opponents the principle point of contact might look dirty regardless of if the taller player was attempting to be dirty or not.
Not sure about Chara's junior days/stats, but he definitely wasn't the scary ****er we all know now until after about 4 years in the league + a trade. Defensemen tend to take longer to hit their peak in the NHL than forwards. Sekera just had a breakout year defensively for Buffalo, and he was (I think?) 25 last season.

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