The fact that Fogarty is getting PT with Matteau and Biggs is a good sign for his making the team.
If you get to play when there's 3 players on the ice in a game, the coach likes you. As an old center, I was always the most proud when I played with two Ds. Especially 3 on 5. Tremendous feeling killing of a 3 on 5.
if you see miller's upside as a richards or kesler than i'd think you'd lean toward going back to plymouth...the upside potential of him becoming a top 2 center by being a little patience is far more important than rushing him cause people don't want boyle centering the 3rd line.
although i'd still love to see him be good enough in camp to earn top 6 minutes in hartford...that would give him the ice time to continue to develop his game.
I left him in the chart on page one because I think he goes back to juniors. I think that's the best place for him to develop his offensive game. A good year down there and he probably skips the AHL next year.
We'll see though. If his offense is up to speed during camp, I think he breaks camp with the big club.
Gare Joyce was the ESPN draft Insider in 2011. He spoke to a scout about Miller after the 2011 U18 WJC.
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Jonathan Miller, U.S.
When we last looked at the draft's top prospects, we were getting some negative feedback on Miller and we dropped him from our Top 50. Looks like we'll have to readjust that after this tournament.
"The best U.S. forward late in the season ... He made the transition to the big ice surface look easy," said one scout. "[He] used his wingers, read the play. Made his case for being a top-20 player (in this class). The U.S. has a lot of players whose upside in the league would be third- and fourth-line but Miller looks like he could be a second-line center for a winning team down the line."
I left him in the chart on page one because I think he goes back to juniors. I think that's the best place for him to develop his offensive game. A good year down there and he probably skips the AHL next year.
We'll see though. If his offense is up to speed during camp, I think he breaks camp with the big club.
It depends. They may very well feel he's better off in the AHL. I don't know that putting up "dominating" numbers in juniors is the most important thing. A guy like St. Croix puts up a lot more points in juniors, but he's not necessarily putting them up in a way that transfers to the pro game. On the other hand, Miller "only" scored at a point per game pace, but they may feel he was scoring them in a manner that transfers to the higher levels very well.
It all depends on maturity level. From all reports Miller is very mature not just physically, but mentally as well.
I've loved that pick since it was made. He's basically a cant miss kid.
i) there is no reason to expect this kid to become anything less than a very solid player away from the puck. He skates well. He is not small. He is very stubborn and fights hard for the puck. He hits. He is also a smart center in terms of positioning. Good at getting the puck out of danger etc.
ii) the kid tries constantly offensively. Don't get me wrong, but many players tends to fall into patterns that aren't effective. They look almost overwhelmed by the hole thing, and never really breaks the pattern. Nigel Dawes can deek the pants of Chris Pronger, there is never anything wrong with trying at times at least. But JT Miller's head is there. He is creative with his passing. He will challenge players 1 on 1. He will try a whole range of plays. And so forth.
I doubt he will become our Parise (I got to replace that term...), but he will become a solid top 9 on his defense alone and the offensive creativity ontop of that is bonus.
Brady Skjei — I thought Skjei was Team USA’s best defenseman today, away from the shadow of former U18 teammates Seth Jones and Jacob Trouba. Skjei was his normal, slick-skating self, but showed even better puck-moving skills than he’s displayed previously in camp. He was working the power-play with Connor Murphy extremely well and got himself involved a little more offensively. He was so sound positionally today, which made things difficult for the finish forwards. There are some elements of his game that could use polish, no doubt, but based on what he showed in camp, he belongs in the conversation as a potential No. 5 or 6 Dman on this team.
Other than Jones, Murphy and Trouba, who are we anticipating paired higher than Skjei?
Based on this camp (and at the end of the day it will not ALL be based on this camp):
Definitely - Jones, Trouba
Likely - Murphy, Reilly (don't love him but USA staff sure seems to), Gostisbehere (really underrated, huge camp performance)
Again, if the camp were the be-all end-all Skjei could be on the 3rd pairing, depending on what groupings the coaches like. And he had a pretty good camp. Stacked defense for the US this year.
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It's hard to say since he's still pretty raw right now, but I'm guessing he'll spend 3 yrs in college + 1-2 yrs in AHL before getting his cup of coffee in the NHL.
any thoughts on just how much of a long shot fogarty is to make the team? sounds like he made a strong case for himself this week but obviously still a long shot. but how many guys would he likely have to leap frog to get on the team?
He's heading to the Univ. of Minnesota next year where I'm sure he'll play at least 2 years. And then he may need a year in the AHL after that. So anywhere from 2 - 4 years is likely.
any thoughts on just how much of a long shot fogarty is to make the team? sounds like he made a strong case for himself this week but obviously still a long shot. but how many guys would he likely have to leap frog to get on the team?
The issue (to me at least) for making this team is that he is really just a center.
Galchenyuk, Grimaldi (when healthy), Kuraly are pretty much locked in.
Then it comes down to what you want out of your 4th line center spot. Trocheck looked pretty darn good (especially at creating offense) and I gotta imagine it would be tough for USA Hockey to leave him off. Bardreau also looked pretty good too, and would be a great fit if you just want that 4th line to be a sparkplug/energy line.
Fogarty could definitely slot in nicely as a faceoff/defensive specialist so he will be in the mix pending his start at ND. Who knows. If Grimaldi has issues coming back and Galchenyuk is up with the Habs it's a whole new ballgame.
"I thought Skjei was Team USA's best defenseman today, away from the shadow of former U18 teammates Seth Jones and Jacob Trouba. Skjei was his normal, slick-skating self, but showed even better puck-moving skills than he's displayed previously in camp. He was working the power-play with Connor Murphy extremely well and got himself involved a little more offensively. He was so sound positionally today, which made things difficult for the finish forwards. There are some elements of his game that could use polish, no doubt, but based on what he showed in camp, he belongs in the conversation as a potential No. 5 or 6 Dman on this team."
From Jess Rubenstein:
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"The big winner at least in my eyes has to be J.T. Miller as his play during the camp tells me that Miller has no intention of playing in the OHL this season. Ready for the NHL? No not yet but Miller has taken a good enough leap in his development that lockout or not that Miller just may force the Rangers to keep him with the CT Whale."
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It's hard to say since he's still pretty raw right now, but I'm guessing he'll spend 3 yrs in college + 1-2 yrs in AHL before getting his cup of coffee in the NHL.
No way, Skjei's a guy I can see being in the NHL earlier then his peers. Somebody posted an article here around draft time that said Skjei was one of the most NHL-ready players at the draft.
Grant Sonier felt Brady Skjei will be NHL ready after 1 season of college hockey
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One season away
Alex Galchenyuk, Montreal Canadiens
Morgan Rielly, Toronto Maple Leafs
Mathew Dumba, Minnesota Wild
Filip Forsberg, Washington Capitals
Cody Ceci, Ottawa Senators
Teuvo Teravainen, Chicago Blackhawks
Zemgus Girgensons, Buffalo Sabres
Brendan Gaunce, Vancouver Canucks
Brady Skjei, New York Rangers
This group of nine players features some excellent picks who should be ready to play in the NHL after another year of development.
Both Galchenyuk and Rielly are coming off major knee injuries this past season and will need another year in junior hockey to re-establish their dominance and get back to full speed. Forsberg, Dumba, Ceci, Girgensons, Gaunce and Skjei are all physically ready and will be close next season, but other factors should keep them out of the NHL this fall.
Forsberg is heading back to Sweden to fulfill the final year of his contract there, and Skjei faces a very long list of defensemen ahead of him in New York -- unless a trade thins things out a bit. For the others, I believe it will simply take some time for roster spots to be made available. The Blackhawks are thrilled to have super skilled forward Teravainen, but he is the least developed of this group in terms of physical maturity.
However, his evasiveness and ability to avoid getting hit -- like that of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Patrick Kane, who play a similar style -- should help him to reach the NHL a little earlier than expected.
Including Erixon in the Nash deal frees up a spot on the depth chart.
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Blog Projection: No. 18 -- Chicago
Sonier's Top 50 Ranking: No. 19
Grant Sonier's Breakdown
Tremendous size and skating are the hallmarks of his game. He's got natural overall ability. He's the type of player who, the more I watch, the more I like him. He helped lead the USNTDP to its fourth straight gold medal and proved to be one of the leaders on that team.
This is the second time the Rangers have dipped into the USNTDP in the past two first rounds, having selected J.T. Miller in 2011.
The Blueshirts have some prospect depth on the blue line now, perhaps giving them a little trade ammunition for that scoring forward this summer.
12:19 Comment From Craig
Which projected late round first rounder is most NHL ready? Do you think there's any goaltender worth being drafted in the 1st round this year?
12:22 Sorry - had some technical difficulties, but I'm back on-line now.
As I said above, Andrei Vasilevski is definitely worthy of a first round selection, but you'd have to be relatively certain that you can get him over from Russia. As for late first rounders who would be close to being NHL ready, I don't think there are any this year, but if I were forced to choose one, I'd say Brady Skjei, because he plays such a simple, defence first game and is physically mature.
28. New York Rangers: D Brady Skjei. Strong shutdown defender with fine skating ability and decent puck skills. Makes crisp breakouts and can also skate the puck out of danger. He has grown much bigger and stronger over the past year.
I'm a bit skeptical that Skjei (or a number of those other players Sonier listed, for that matter) will be ready next season. 2 years sounds like a much more reasonable guess, IMO.
I'm a bit skeptical that Skjei (or a number of those other players Sonier listed, for that matter) will be ready next season. 2 years sounds like a much more reasonable guess, IMO.
What's your opinion on Miller in the AHL next year versus the OHL?
