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08-09-2012, 11:11 PM
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Where's Siuter on that list ?

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08-09-2012, 11:14 PM
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Where's Siuter on that list ?
He's not.....

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He's not.....
That's my point, I don't get why he didn't sell as much.

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That's my point, I don't get why he didn't sell as much.
It's because he's not "one of us".

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That's my point, I don't get why he didn't sell as much.
Because D-men who don't rack up a lot of points isn't really a sexy jersey to have. I know I will get a Brodin, but I doubt many others will. Most go for 1st liners and big hitters.

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There is a grand total of 1 defenseman on that list and he just won a cup. That says it all.

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I see, still I'd thought he'd sell a few jerseys.

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Because D-men who don't rack up a lot of points isn't really a sexy jersey to have. I know I will get a Brodin, but I doubt many others will. Most go for 1st liners and big hitters.
That'll make it two of us with Brodin jerseys

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i guess i will get a Suter jersey when/if i do get a jersey


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Being a Wild fan is all about endurance of mediocrity.
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So true.

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I guess the graph missed the Granlund saga of whether or not he was going to sign.

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Nah, it's because of the scale. Can't see that tiny bump

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I see, still I'd thought he'd sell a few jerseys.
He did sell a few

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Minnesota Wild's Zach Parise, Ryan Suter are due $10M bonuses Aug. 18

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Hurry. Trade.

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I'm surprised to see Rick Nash's NYR jersey sales so low.

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08-12-2012, 12:34 AM
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I'm surprised to see Rick Nash's NYR jersey sales so low.
Not exactly low when you consider he spend 3/4 of the month on Columbus. He only had 7 days with the NYR to base these sales off of. So....actually kind of a lot.

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Most would argue that the Stars improved.
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Pretty much everyone, and there would be no arguing.
Oh I would GLADLY argue that loudly. I actually took the time and went through the Stars roster today, here is their top 9:

Eriksson-Benn-Ryder
Jagr-Roy-Whitney
Nystrom-Fiddler-Morrow

First of all their defense is as averag as ours is, and their goaltending can also be as hot or ice cold as ours, so let's look at that offense.


Eriksson and Benn two superstars no question. The rest of that offense? Ryder had a career year last year, not saying he won't be good again, but they aren't called career years for nothing, he'll come back to earth this year. And you want Jagr, Roy and Whitney anchoring your second line? Morrow btw, is banged up, and more and more ineffective, he does not have much time life. Nystrom also will of course not come anywhere close to the numbers he produced from no where last year.

But back to that second line, Jagr did not seem all that thrilled to be there considering he talked about Montreal and wanting to be there the day he signed. Jagr also broke down the second half of last year and he was playing on a great offensive team where he was a secondary scorer, next year he will be counted on to produce at his age. I'm telling ya that ain't happening all year long, and i'm betting he's gone by the trade deadline. Whitney seems like an ageless wonder but at some point the glass is going to run out on that tank, and it's going to be on the Stars watch, and Derek Roy anchoring the second line over Ribeiro? Guy won't stay healthy and see 50 games next year.

Their scoring depth is shallow, it's a poorly, poorly put together team realying on some wierd combination of youth and old, old geezers and I bet ya they finish right where Calgary is in the 9-13 range next year and I will be SHOCKED, SHOCKED if they somehow make the playoffs next year.

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08-12-2012, 02:18 AM
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Oh I would GLADLY argue that loudly. I actually took the time and went through the Stars roster today, here is their top 9:

Eriksson-Benn-Ryder
Jagr-Roy-Whitney
Nystrom-Fiddler-Morrow

First of all their defense is as averag as ours is, and their goaltending can also be as hot or ice cold as ours, so let's look at that offense.


Eriksson and Benn two superstars no question. The rest of that offense? Ryder had a career year last year, not saying he won't be good again, but they aren't called career years for nothing, he'll come back to earth this year. And you want Jagr, Roy and Whitney anchoring your second line? Morrow btw, is banged up, and more and more ineffective, he does not have much time life. Nystrom also will of course not come anywhere close to the numbers he produced from no where last year.

But back to that second line, Jagr did not seem all that thrilled to be there considering he talked about Montreal and wanting to be there the day he signed. Jagr also broke down the second half of last year and he was playing on a great offensive team where he was a secondary scorer, next year he will be counted on to produce at his age. I'm telling ya that ain't happening all year long, and i'm betting he's gone by the trade deadline. Whitney seems like an ageless wonder but at some point the glass is going to run out on that tank, and it's going to be on the Stars watch, and Derek Roy anchoring the second line over Ribeiro? Guy won't stay healthy and see 50 games next year.

Their scoring depth is shallow, it's a poorly, poorly put together team realying on some wierd combination of youth and old, old geezers and I bet ya they finish right where Calgary is in the 9-13 range next year and I will be SHOCKED, SHOCKED if they somehow make the playoffs next year.
No, not even close. I can't stand how the loosely the term "superstar" gets thrown around these days. A superstar is someone that dominates the game and is in a class of their own. Those two are stars, but nothing more.

Stamkos is a superstar
Malkin is a superstar
Crosby is a superstar
Ovechkin is a superstar
Giroux has the potential to be a superstar

That's really about it. There are really only a few superstars, and that's how it should be.

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08-12-2012, 04:51 AM
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Oh I would GLADLY argue that loudly. I actually took the time and went through the Stars roster today, here is their top 9:

Eriksson-Benn-Ryder
Jagr-Roy-Whitney
Nystrom-Fiddler-Morrow

First of all their defense is as averag as ours is, and their goaltending can also be as hot or ice cold as ours, so let's look at that offense.


Eriksson and Benn two superstars no question. The rest of that offense? Ryder had a career year last year, not saying he won't be good again, but they aren't called career years for nothing, he'll come back to earth this year. And you want Jagr, Roy and Whitney anchoring your second line? Morrow btw, is banged up, and more and more ineffective, he does not have much time life. Nystrom also will of course not come anywhere close to the numbers he produced from no where last year.

But back to that second line, Jagr did not seem all that thrilled to be there considering he talked about Montreal and wanting to be there the day he signed. Jagr also broke down the second half of last year and he was playing on a great offensive team where he was a secondary scorer, next year he will be counted on to produce at his age. I'm telling ya that ain't happening all year long, and i'm betting he's gone by the trade deadline. Whitney seems like an ageless wonder but at some point the glass is going to run out on that tank, and it's going to be on the Stars watch, and Derek Roy anchoring the second line over Ribeiro? Guy won't stay healthy and see 50 games next year.

Their scoring depth is shallow, it's a poorly, poorly put together team realying on some wierd combination of youth and old, old geezers and I bet ya they finish right where Calgary is in the 9-13 range next year and I will be SHOCKED, SHOCKED if they somehow make the playoffs next year.
Thats pretty sick and experienceed top 9 with some improving young guns.

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Eric Nystrom should never, ever be in one's top-9. He is a great 4th liner though.

That being said, neither should Warren Peters, Darroll Powe or Nick Johnson be in one's top-6.

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for reference, a first line forward averages roughly 50ish points a year.

You get into superstar strata when you are talking at least a point per game (for forwards.)

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for reference, a first line forward averages roughly 50ish points a year.

You get into superstar strata when you are talking at least a point per game (for forwards.)
What would be the average for a 2nd line player?

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What would be the average for a 2nd line player?
Well, his stats are likely based on - and correct me if I'm totally off-base - total points.

There were 95 forwards in the NHL with 50 points or more based on last year.

So, 3 forwards per top line, per team, roughly 90 players are "top line" players.

My only argument is that doesn't account at all for deeper teams that have 50+ 2nd liners (the Ducks had 4 forwards with 50+, Boston had 5, Dallas had 4, etc) and weaker teams that don't have 50+ first liners (Columbus had 2, we had 1, Calgary had 2, etc).

So, to say there's an accurate average for 2nd liners...? That would be a LOT of stats work. To figure out who was actually a second liner, and what to base that on, maybe ice time?

But, using the same total points dictate what line you're on theory..... Player number 180 on the total points list had 32 points, so, if every team were exactly equal, a second liner should be getting better than 30.

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