OFFICIAL Windsor Spitfires 2012-13 Season Thread (Part 3)

hullsy47 · 08-12-2012, 06:50 AM

well with the highest ticket prices in the league ,they better figure this out soon
but if its true and its the only way to run a good junior hockey team ,my guess these guys will just sell the club cause ,lets face it folks ,no 1 picks are a huge part of promoting future
this dont get overturned and u lose most of the fans that believe in ethics ,not to mention the thousands of fans who spent roughly 15 b-20000 grand putting kids thru minor hpckey ,only finding out that their local team spent the better part of a half million dollars on american kids
sorry but the local bar /watering holes say the spits are done like dinner
they got caught .......spend your money on the tigers ......u can get bleacher seat for 14 bucks .......lmao

Tigers1992 · 08-12-2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jughead42

This is a good point, Campbell could be the player in question without having anything to do with leaking the evidence. A pissed off parent could be just as likely to let the cat out of the bag if there were any shenanigans.

As far as Dubas and his possible involvement, the investigation was launched because of a complaint. Branch never said who the complaint came from and was fairly vague on who is actually able to bring something like this to the league's attention. Having said that, they aren't going to waste their time investigating something just because saskasault on HF boards complained about it. It had to be somebody of significance in the league, it had to be somebody with some sort of connection to the player in question, it had to be somebody with an axe to grind over missing out on players, and someone who could benefit from seeing this happen. Connect the dots, it seems pretty obvious to me. The guy was an agent and knows the tricks these guys pull, he's seen Seiloff, Ho-Sang, and Tolchinsky all slip through his fingers because he's failed as a recruiter, and he's the GM of the poster team for have-nots. I'll try to act surprised if it ever comes out that his finger prints are on this somehow.

I fail to see the logic. Branch said the investigation took a year. Dubas would have bairly been in the league? All those things that you are suggesting where the jumping off point for an investigation had not happened yet. The timeline makes it impossible, no?

Ward Cornell · 08-12-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers1992

I fail to see the logic. Branch said the investigation took a year. Dubas would have bairly been in the league? All those things that you are suggesting where the jumping off point for an investigation had not happened yet. The timeline makes it impossible, no?

Since most ppl have a theory on who the snitch I'll take a turn in loading up the fan with crap and see if anything sticks to the wall!

My inadvertal snitch in all of this is the Windsor Spitfires themselves!
Why or how would they ever do this?...well hear me out!

Remember a few years ago when Jeff Jackson the coach of Notre Dame accused Kitchener and Windsor of offering Cam Fowler $500,000.00 to sign in the OHL?....well that set the wheel in motion to what shook down on Friday:

Switchboard: Hello, Kitchener Rangers, How can a direct you call?
Caller: It's Dave Branch for Steve Bienkowski.
Steve B: well hello Dave, I thought you would call me!
Dave: What the heck is Jeff Jackson talking about and don't lie to me!!
Steve B: I have no idea and we're quit pissed about this.
Dave B: how pissed are you?
Steve B: well, we've talked to our lawyers and we're going to push ahead with a lawsuit.
Dave B: Darn good, glad to hear. Have you've given Warren a call in Windsor and what did he say?
Steve B: Yeah, talked to him last night and he laffed for a cpl minutes and he said "sure...sure...count us in".
Dave B: Do you think he thought you guys were serious?
Steve B: Well after he stopped laffing he also said" Yeah and we'll go 50-50 on the legal bills...chuckle chuckle!! snort snort!!"
Dave B: well, go ahead and lets see what shakes down out of all of this!
Next Day: a news release was released noting that the Kitchener Rangers and the Windsor Spitfires will be sueing Jeff Jackson of Notre Dame!

One minute later:.....

Kitchener Ranger Switchboard: How can I direct you call:
Caller: It's Warren Frickin' Rychel and give me Steve Bienkowski RIGHT NOW!!!!
Steve B: Well hello partner, I took you up on your offer to sue Jeffy Boy down at Notre Dame!!!
Warren Rychel: Well Steve, lets not pursue this? It's awfully expensive and it will just bring bad publicity to us that we don't don't need as a league!!....Pretty please just drop it!
Steve B: But he defamed both us our organizations and we want the truth to come out!...Don't you?
Warren: Ummmmm....like I said it's awfully expensive and ummmm....ummmm well, ummmmmm....do you really want to do this?.....Not really sure if we want to spend the money cuz most of our spare money has been doled out already!
Steve B: Are you serious???????? after I issued the press conference you're fricking going soft on this NOW!!!
Gimme a break!
BTW Warren.........what exactly did you mean by " your extra money has been doled out?"
Warren R: JUST SHUT DOWN THE LAWSUIT!
Steve B: Ummm...as a good partner in the OHL we'll go along with your wishes!

Next Day:

Kitchener Switchboard: How can i direct you call?
Caller: Dave Branch for Steve Bienkowski!
Steve B: hello Dave, I was about to give you a call about the lawsuit!
Dave B: well Stevie Boy...I gotta admit, I'm just absolute giddy about you and Warren have the balls to sue Jeff Jackson!...absolute giddy! When you win this I will have my legacy !!!
Steve B: Ummmmmm...ummmmmm Dave, I hate to say but we've decided to drop the lawsuit!
Dave B: WHAT THE 'EFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!
Steve B: we decided to drop it
Dave B: WHY??? (veins popping)
Steve B: Well we were ready to officially file the lawsuit but Warren thought it would bring bad publicity!
Dave B: Huh?....what bad publicity?
Steve B: Well he thought the issue would just die off and if the Windsor wasn't involved it wouldn't make any sense for just us to sue alone!
Dave B: Interesting, well Steve, this is how i see it. If you guys aren't suing, it leads me no choice but to call my watchdogs full force onto the Rangers and the Spitfires.
I WILL NOT BE EMBARRASSED!

Fast Forward a cpl years to "The Day that will go down in Infamy" for the Windsor Spitfires!

"and now.....you know the rest of the story"

Too be honest, it could be almost anyone involved....a disgruntled Spitfire clerk, a friend of the player, geesch if the payment was done with all the proper paper work could the OHL access the CRA records?
I doubt any theory on here will get close to the truth!
Also maybe the timeframes and number of players could all be a smokescreen to protect the informant.

ForestGlade · 08-12-2012, 09:37 AM

Now see this is why I prefer HFBoards to the NOOF. At least when people make accusations on here they back it up with some old school fan fiction!

If we're going to do a community theatre production of this, dibs on playing Kyle Dubas

Spitsfan67 · 08-12-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hullsy47

well with the highest ticket prices in the league ,they better figure this out soon
but if its true and its the only way to run a good junior hockey team ,my guess these guys will just sell the club cause ,lets face it folks ,no 1 picks are a huge part of promoting future
this dont get overturned and u lose most of the fans that believe in ethics ,not to mention the thousands of fans who spent roughly 15 b-20000 grand putting kids thru minor hpckey ,only finding out that their local team spent the better part of a half million dollars on american kids
sorry but the local bar /watering holes say the spits are done like dinner
they got caught .......spend your money on the tigers ......u can get bleacher seat for 14 bucks .......lmao

Hey Bud will Still get 5700+ EVERY Game and we dont need our first will still be VERY Competitev EVERY season....We live and Breath Spitfires Hockey Here, We live and die with are team and were not Gunna turn are backs on OUR Team.

Ottomatic · 08-12-2012, 11:20 AM

Dubas also lost Ben Johnson to the Spits last off-season.

hullsy47 · 08-12-2012, 11:52 AM

lol live and die?i already know for a fact seversal people who wont go near the spits if they try and raise and ticket prices after this fiasco
but lets wait and see all the details ...but if u cant draft first rounders .u gotta pay for high end americans to come ,well now u cant so me thinks il pass on the spits till i hear all the facts
right now the rumors are pretty nasty

jughead42 · 08-12-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers1992

I fail to see the logic. Branch said the investigation took a year. Dubas would have bairly been in the league? All those things that you are suggesting where the jumping off point for an investigation had not happened yet. The timeline makes it impossible, no?

He said it took a year? Why? The Trouba investigation took about 15 minutes before they cleared Kitchener. This whole situation stinks, if the league just made public the evidence that led to these penalties we wouldn't be wasting our time pointing fingers.

RayzorIsDull · 08-12-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jughead42

He said it took a year? Why? The Trouba investigation took about 15 minutes before they cleared Kitchener. This whole situation stinks, if the league just made public the evidence that led to these penalties we wouldn't be wasting our time pointing fingers.

With Trouba the investigation didn't last long because he hasn't signed with Kitchener. All the investigation had to do with was word of mouth. People can just deny they made any offer and that's the end of it. I doubt you see Trouba sign with Kitchener and that will be the end of it.

aresknights · 08-12-2012, 12:27 PM

Nicely done Ward.

It would be nice to get some info. Not sure how much will trickle out but fans deserve something. Can't see it until the appeal process is over.

Any1 have a timeline for when it may happen?
I'm sure the next BOG or league GM meetings will be real interesting.
Id love to be a fly on a wall during the appeal with Mr Hunt

hockeylegend11 · 08-12-2012, 02:18 PM

Putting aside any more feelings/views on this apparent scandal i would rather delve into the future of this team as it stands going forward assuming all or a good part of the sanctions are in place
Some have wondered about the gold edc pack situation I believe it is at 6,they being Bateman,Maletta,Ebert,Rychel,
Johnson,and HoSang,possibly Seiloff making it 7,not sure on that one.Assuming that it stands at 6 with the 1st rder taken away for the next 2 years and 3 of the next 4 I feel it gives the spits alot of flexibility,it opens up free agent ala Ben Johnson,American kids who will come regardless because Windsor has proven to develop talent
This coming season for the most part sanctions not impactful most of the team has been picked,just a couple of openings available,though there will be a battle for them
We know they are the favored team ,I think Windsor can finish in the top 5 in the conference,teams to me are so close with the exception of London,Plymouth,Kitchener,4 or 5 teams can finish 4-7 in my view as it projects now NHL potential lockout not withstanding
Rychel may not have the picks or wish to use them for this year with 2014 on their minds
For the 2013/14 season as I have mentioned before Spits have 2 1st rd Euro picks which should take the place of the 1st rder taken away for 2013
I dont expect Pavelka back next year and should Ionin not work out or if he can be moved Windsor utilizes the 2 Euro picks
As well Windsor would have at least 1 maybe 2 gold pks to use either on other players,free agents or trades
As well Windsor based on this coming years lineup will need 3 O/A players as I doubt Alonge and Pavelka would return
With 2014 the run year I dont see it as dire as some might think
It should be noted that when the Spits won their 1st mem cup Cam Fowler was drafted in the 1st rd prior to that season being played thus he did not play
What I am getting at is that not all 1st rders in a run year will be neccessary for success so not having a 1st rder in 2013 is not a killer especially in light of having 2 euro picks in the 1st rd of 2013
Also for the spits 2nd mem cup run u will recall they drafted and later traded Austin Brassard for Gruebauer and Cantin
As one see both mem cups have been accomplished without having the drafted 1st rder in the lineup from that season
I do feel it gets more challenging after the next 2 seasons again keep in mind by 2014 draft ,only Bateman,Maletta and HoSang will be gold edc packages,potentially 3 or 4 open possibilities and by 2015 possibly 4 to 7 openings assuming HoSang makes the NHL at 19
I think judicious drafting Euro and North American,aggressive free agent targeting,proper asset management vis a vis gold package distrubution will overcome the extremely severe and unneccessary penalties Windsor has to deal with
I do think stripping a franchise of 3 out 4 years 1st rders is shameful,disgusting,abuse of power and terribly unfair
To me a fine would have sufficed if found guilty severe if u will, but to affect a teams ability to compete is wrong
I do think Windsor will thrive anyways,games are won the ice not the boardroom

cfaub · 08-12-2012, 03:24 PM

Anyone drafted in the 1st round in 2013 likely has minimal impact on the ice but like Brassard could have had more value as trade bait potentially.

The 2nds in 2015 and 2017 would have been helpful in deals but outside of that not much damage to a potential run in 2014.

I agree though that outside of those 3 picks the sanctions have little impact in 2014 and after that is when things could get challenging depending on who returns in 2014/15.

Windsor could luck out with some solid OAs returning for 2014/15. I doubt Rychel has any chance to make a repeat run in 2014/15 so he can bring in some solid kids/picks to begin recovering from the damage this will do at that point in time.

If this season and next are solid seasons and Rychel provides some very solid asset management the sanctions likely have little effect on the competitiveness of this team. Yes they will be challenged but it can very well be overcome.

May not be any championship runs until after 2017 but they will be able to compete.

Sec108 · 08-12-2012, 06:04 PM

If this was about someone making a complaint lets examine who could have made one.

IMO it was the NCAA.they have been pissed that the CHL has been raiding theyre stables.They have been watching things transpire for the last couple of yrs and prob. had investigators questioning parents,players, agents etc.The Spits have been one of the most pesky teams trying to get multiple players to come here.

Someone threatened Branch or lol "persuaded" him to take down Windsor or else.

Windsor was made the scapegoat.

If thyere's no concrete evidence or signed affidavids the case has to be thrown.

You cant just say so and so team gave johnny $$$$......prove it!!!!

I say they can't, Boughner and Rychel are smarter than that.

No matter what happens though, I don't think we will get the 14' Cup tourney.

Windsor's name wont mean alot after this no matter what outcome.Tourney goes to london.

ForestGlade · 08-12-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec108

No matter what happens though, I don't think we will get the 14' Cup tourney.

Windsor's name wont mean alot after this no matter what outcome.Tourney goes to london.

If it makes you feel any better, ticket prices in London will likely be cheaper than in Windsor

Sec108 · 08-12-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ForestGlade

If it makes you feel any better, ticket prices in London will likely be cheaper than in Windsor

I wouldnt go to friggin london if i got a free ticket, pal.BTW I hope the spits do keep the line on ticket prices but if anyone wont support the spits over this crap than so be it.Don't Friggin Go!!!!! I will keep my Seas.Tickets and keep supporting the spits and Bob and Warren no matter what.

Its great hockey with the best arena in the O and the best fans in the CHL.And after all this will still be the BEST fans because they understand hockey and the workings of junior hockey and its complexities,,,,knowing that the owners are just trying to build championship teams here in Windsor.

OHLTG · 08-12-2012, 07:26 PM

I'd go to London, simply to hit The Works

Sec108 · 08-12-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OHLTG

I'd go to London, simply to hit The Works

Whats that a friggin gay bar???? LMFAO !!!!!!

Ottomatic · 08-12-2012, 07:36 PM

Any bid Windsor puts in for the Mem Cup - I say they should pull it rather than to grovel at Branch's feet - should put a "less $400,000" in any financial package offered to the CHL.

Sec108 · 08-12-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ottomatic

Any bid Windsor puts in for the Mem Cup - I say they should pull it rather than to grovel at Branch's feet - should put a "less $400,000" in any financial package offered to the CHL.

I have to agree with you, after all the hoopla over these allegations the chances are nil it will come here now.We have to win the O to be in this one in ont in 14'.You never know what can happen.

But this circus isnt going to be over any time soon I have a feeling.

PhlyerPhanatic · 08-12-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec108

I wouldnt go to friggin london if i got a free ticket, pal..

I use to say this about Kitchener and Windsor..but shockingly..some of the closest friends I have across the OHL are Rangers and Spitfires fans.

Ward Cornell · 08-12-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PhlyerPhanatic

I use to say this about Kitchener and Windsor..but shockingly..some of the closest friends I have across the OHL are Rangers and Spitfires fans.

Same holds true for me in regards to London and Windsor fans.
Having friends who are fans of you're bitter rivals can actually increase the hockey enjoyment along the way.
It also makes victories against that much sweeter!

Sec108 · 08-12-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PhlyerPhanatic

I use to say this about Kitchener and Windsor..but shockingly..some of the closest friends I have across the OHL are Rangers and Spitfires fans.

Dont take it to serious Phanatic, Im been in the Aud a few yrs ago and go to the Compuware Arena alot since its close to us in Plymouth but will probably never set foot in the JLC.Ive hated the Knights since the days of pat Riggin,Brad marsh,Rob Ramage and Sissy Ciccereli and the Water Boy and am not about to change.

When the knights lost the mem cup this year, it made my summer that much sweeter and Im sure your fans are gloating over the Spits fine and lost picks so far.There's no love lost but I like to have alot of humour in my posts and enjoy the rivalry and have fun with it.

I still miss Don Brankley though and his I Hate Windsor t shirt.

Spitsfan67 · 08-12-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sec108

I wouldnt go to friggin london if i got a free ticket, pal.BTW I hope the spits do keep the line on ticket prices but if anyone wont support the spits over this crap than so be it.Don't Friggin Go!!!!! I will keep my Seas.Tickets and keep supporting the spits and Bob and Warren no matter what.

Its great hockey with the best arena in the O and the best fans in the CHL.And after all this will still be the BEST fans because they understand hockey and the workings of junior hockey and its complexities,,,,knowing that the owners are just trying to build championship teams here in Windsor.

Totally agree 110%..remember the good old days at the Barn only getting 3000 fans a night and the Barn kept Bumpin every game and we kept Er goin at the WFCU center...we love are Spits here and will stand behind them threw thick and thin because we're die hearts here,most passionate fans in the O.