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Flyers 'step up' offer for Bouwmeester

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08-12-2012, 07:24 AM
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Bouwmeester would be a decent pickup for Philly. I think they'd have to give up a 2013 1st, one of Couterier or Schenn and Coburn.

Flyers pass.

Trading one defenseman for another while giving up schenn/couturier and a first is going to net the flyers a much better defenseman.

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08-12-2012, 07:25 AM
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Bouwmeester would be a decent pickup for Philly. I think they'd have to give up a 2013 1st, one of Couterier or Schenn and Coburn.
I wouldn't give you Coburn straight up. They're similar players, only one has a short and underwhelming playoff resume, and the other has consistently elevated his game when he needed to most.

Coburn shouldn't even be an option in any trade, because that creates another top pairing hole which is what were trying to fill. Nevermind that I prefer coburn as a player and he's cheaper...


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Flyers trading Coburn for Bouwmeester makes absolutely zero sense.

And that goes for both value and team need.

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Man, if Timonen falls within the first 3-6 weeks of the season, say goodbye to the Flyers and Holmgren, too... part of me feels like he's on a little thin ice with the playoff under-performance, trading away Stanley Cup winning centres, and not acquiring better defencive depth since Pronger was out. Losing Carle probably hurt, too.


Holmgren flat out ROBBED Columbus in the Carter trade and the Richards trade was demanded of him for a reason other then hockey. Besides the Timonen point, everything you wrote is either false or a complete mischaracterization of the situation.


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I wouldn't give you Coburn straight up. They're similar players, only one has a short and underwhelming playoff resume, and the other has consistently elevated his game when he needed to most.

Coburn shouldn't even be an option in any trade, because that creates another top pairing hole which is what were trying to fill. Nevermind that I prefer coburn as a player and he's cheaper...
Coburn is similar to Bouwmeester? That says it all folks. The hyperbole has reached new highs.

Rumor has it that the Flyers blueline took another hit this weekend as Lilja apparently had hip surgery and will be out for several months.

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08-12-2012, 08:18 AM
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Holmgren flat out ROBBED Columbus in the Carter trade and the Richards trade was demanded of him for a reason other then hockey. Besides the Timonen point, everything you wrote is either false or a complete mischaracterization of the situation.
Please tell the board why richards got traded for other than hockey?

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Flyers trading Coburn for Bouwmeester makes absolutely zero sense.

And that goes for both value and team need.
I'll say it... I wouldn't trade Coburn straight up for JBo, let alone include a 1st OR Schenn/Couturier. Coburn at 4.5M is better value than JBo at 6.68M for longer, is virtually the same player minus a couple minutes a game, has actually performed well in the playoffs, was our most valuable defenseman in 2011-2012.

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08-12-2012, 08:43 AM
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Please tell the board why richards got traded for other than hockey?
Was that an honest question? As a simple Google search would tell you, locker room/leadership issues and a change of scenery. Holmgren was close to tears at the press conference announcing the trade. Did you think the trade meant the Flyers thought he was done as a player?


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Well the Flyers have likely lost Lilja for a few months as well. Guess they'll have to add in Laughton with Couturier to get Bouwmeester now.

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Lilja's hip surgery may mean d-man will be signed or Holmer makes a trade.

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Please tell the board why richards got traded for other than hockey?
In a nutshell (and let me preface by saying that I don't necessarily agree with all of this assessment), but Flyers management began to question Mike's ability to lead them to the promised land, there was speculation of a rift with Pronger, he was good friends with a then traded Carter, he partied a lot, his reputation for fighting the media was growing, etc.

Like I said, I'm sure 80% of it wasn't true, but once Carter was traded, the Flyers just decided to not run any risk of malcontent in the locker room.

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Lilja is a #6/#7 at best. Losing him does not have a big impact on how the teams performs.

The day Weber or Suter would have come over here, Lilja would have been waived anyway. So this doesn't affect the JBo talk at all.

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Lilja's hip surgery may mean d-man will be signed or Holmer makes a trade.
Lilja was one of at least 5 guys reasonably thought to be in competition for the 5-7 defensemen slot (Gervais, Gustaffson, MAB, Manning). I can buy Mezsaros being a potential driver for a signing/trade, but Lilja is easily replaced internally. The Flyers definitely have enough 6/7 defenseman to cover the loss of a Lilja, especially when no one has any reason to believe that we'll have played a significant amount of hockey before he's eligible to return from this surgery.

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If the Flyers are prepared to go into next season with that sieve of a (goaltender and) defence, they damn well better hope the entire season is wiped out. What a joke.
I mean, I guess making the playoffs every year is a joke.

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08-12-2012, 10:21 AM
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If the Flyers are prepared to go into next season with that sieve of a (goaltender and) defence, they damn well better hope the entire season is wiped out. What a joke.
How long has it been since the Flames saw the playoffs? 4 years? Wonder which team is the joke.

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08-12-2012, 10:38 AM
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No way in the world would Philly give up Couturier for Bouwmeester lol

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Now that the Flyers have lost another D man out until January (possibly) I think that it is getting close to desperation time. Possible overpayment for a solid D man looks allot more possible today then it did yesterday.

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Now that the Flyers have lost another D man out until January (possibly) I think that it is getting close to desperation time. Possible overpayment for a solid D man looks allot more possible today then it did yesterday.
It aint going to be for Bouwmeester, they may put a feeder out for Subban or Carlson though.

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08-12-2012, 11:12 AM
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Bouwmeester would be a decent pickup for Philly. I think they'd have to give up a 2013 1st, one of Couterier or Schenn and Coburn.
Sure you didn't mean to write Chara where you wrote Bouwmeester?

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Now that the Flyers have lost another D man out until January (possibly) I think that it is getting close to desperation time. Possible overpayment for a solid D man looks allot more possible today then it did yesterday.
Lilja is a 6/7 defenseman where we have 3-4 other guys fighting for that spot. Not a big deal

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In a nutshell (and let me preface by saying that I don't necessarily agree with all of this assessment), but Flyers management began to question Mike's ability to lead them to the promised land, there was speculation of a rift with Pronger, he was good friends with a then traded Carter, he partied a lot, his reputation for fighting the media was growing, etc.

Like I said, I'm sure 80% of it wasn't true, but once Carter was traded, the Flyers just decided to not run any risk of malcontent in the locker room.
It was true, but I agree with you, I would have tried to work another way around those issues rather then just trading Richards. Send his drinking buddy out to Columbus like you did and go from there. But that's ancient history now.



This Lilja injury might lead to an overpayment on a Rozsival or Coliacovo. It's not going to lead to giving up a Schenn or a Couturier to put a band aid on a leak the size of a car. C'mon people.

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If the Flyers are prepared to go into next season with that sieve of a (goaltender and) defence, they damn well better hope the entire season is wiped out. What a joke.
Why don't you wait until your team is actually a playoff team before throwing stones. Flyers ended up top 8 still last year. You have a ways to go to catching this "joke" team.

And with Lilja getting hurt...it changes nothing. He will be out until January...so it will be like picking up a depth d-man near the deadline. Philly will not overpay for J-Bo. They will just look elsewhere. And really...looking at Calgary. He is your #1...you should keep him.


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Please let Bouwmeester get traded to NSH ... Would help out my GM Connected team so much ...

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Now that the Flyers have lost another D man out until January (possibly) I think that it is getting close to desperation time. Possible overpayment for a solid D man looks allot more possible today then it did yesterday.
Or they just sign a FA defenseman like Hannan or Rozwell.

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Now that the Flyers have lost another D man out until January (possibly) I think that it is getting close to desperation time. Possible overpayment for a solid D man looks allot more possible today then it did yesterday.
Wishful thinking.

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