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The thread front end is back again after a year off. This time I'm going to hopefully set it up so that I have to do less upkeep that ends up wearing on me to the point where I give up.




I had intended to put this in the prospect thread last year, but it never got completed due to graphical issues. Still, given that this is the one year anniversary of the accident, it seems appropriate to continue to remember Daniil and all those lost on that tragic day.


Anyway, I'll be adding a quick reference table here soon.

in the mean time some notes.

The following players on the previous year's list have been removed:
  • Justin Daniels (C - Northeastern University. 3rd round pick in 2008) San Jose chose to sever ties with Daniels now, even though they didn't have to make a decision on him until his class graduates next off-season. No specific official reason was given
  • Andrew Desjardins (C - San Jose Sharks. Undrafted Free Agent) Graduated. Played the whole season with San Jose, surpassing the NHL GP threshold to qualify for this list.
  • Michael Sgarbossa (C - Sudbury Wolves. Undrafted Free Agent) Traded at the deadline to Colorado
  • Patrick White (C - University of Minnesota. Acquired via trade w/Vancouver) Sharks chose not to sign him out of college, receiving a compensatory 2nd round pick instead (used in the last draft to select Chris Tierney)
  • Tommy Wingels (C - San Jose Sharks, X round pick in Y) He still qualifies as a prospect, but it seems like a spot with the Sharks is pretty probable, and that's one place where I draw the line for prospects.
  • Mike Connolly (LW - Worcester Sharks. Undrafted Free Agent) Traded at the deadline to Colorado
  • Tony Lucia (LW - Worcester Sharks. 6th round pick in 2005) was not tendered a qualifying offer this off-season and became an unrestricted free agent.
  • Drew Daniels (RW/D - Northeastern University. 9th round pick in 2008) Same as his brother, the organization severed ties with him a year ahead of his draft rights window expiring
  • Cam MacIntyre (RW - Worcester Sharks. Undrafted Free Agent) Was not tendered a qualifying offer and became an UFA. Or maybe he never existed at all... *dun dun DUN*
  • James Marcou (RW - Worcester Sharks. Undrafted Free Agent) Not tendered a qualifying offer, became UFA.
  • Thomas Greiss (G - San Jose Sharks. 3rd round pick in 2004) Graduated. Age and NHL GP thresholds were surpassed.
  • Tyson Sexsmith (G - Worcester Sharks. 3rd round pick in 2007) Not tendered a qualifying offer, became UFA.

however, the following players have been added since last year's list:
  • Tomas Hertl (C/W - Slavia Praha), Chris Tierney (C - London Knights), Christophe Lalancette (RW - Acadie-Bathurst Titan), Dan O'Regan (C/W - Boston U), Cliff Watson (D - Ohio State), and Joakim Ryan (D - Cornell). All 2012 draftees.
  • Matt Tennyson (D - Western Michigan), and Travis Oleksuk (C/W - Minnesota-Duluth) were both signed as undrafted free agents.
  • Matt Pelech (D - Worcester Sharks) was added because, well, would you tell him he can't be on this list?

Also of note is that for Pelech and Stalock, although they both are 25 and past the age threshold for HF prospects, I'm going to include them because they are still part of the evaluations for future spots on the Sharks and are not necessarily getting roster spots this coming season (whenever that is).

players are sorted by position and listed alphabetically. Players qualify for this list by being 25 years old or younger, not on the San Jose Sharks roster, and with less than 50 games played at the NHL level (or 30 for goaltenders).

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Harvard (NCAA)345141946
Assets: Plays a determined, well-rounded offensive game. Willing to drive to the net and has an accurate shot. Good work ethic. Is a good skater.

Flaws: Slightly undersized. Still needs to improve his all-around game and showcase potential pro-calibre talent. Defensively unrefined.

Player type projection: scoring forward


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Northeastern (NCAA)17961534
Assets: A much better scorer than his brother. Has a good shot and a goal-scorer's mentality. Has good speed and can get to scoring areas.

Flaws: Has to work on his defensive game. Will be returning from a knee injury and needs to put that behind him.

Player type projection: scoring forward.


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Niagra (OHL)6135518631
Assets: Capable of lining up in all situations. Reliable defensively and showing growth in his offensive game, particularly his playmaking. Has shown leadership traits and a willingness to refine/improve. His game is well rounded and without any significant deficiencies.

Flaws: Whether or not his offence ultimately translates to the NHL is still a question.

Player type projection: Pavelski-type all situations top 6 forward or very good 3rd liner with some offence.


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HC Slavia Praha     
Assets: High hockey IQ. Good puck control. well-rounded offensive game that features playmaking talent and a goal-scorer's touch. Can play a solid two-way game and be relied on in all situations. Is quicker and more agile than he is often given credit for. Can line up at any forward position.

Flaws: Has an awkward skating stride that generates below-average speed and acceleration.

Player type projection: Offensively gifted two-way, top 6 forward (think Logan Couture, though I say that as a style comparison, not necessarily a skill level comparison)



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Indiana (USHL)5432387048
Assets: Improving two-way game that includes a rapidly developing offensive skill set. Has good size and has worked hard to make himself a solid skater, especially for his size. Has shown flashes of offensive potential including an impressive US Jr evaluation camp.

Flaws: Still needs to prove his skills translate from the USHL to the college ranks.

Player type projection: Top 6 center.


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U. Minn-Duluth (NCAA)412132536
Assets: Plays a strong two-way game. Is a better scorer than he's given credit for. Has good leadership, hockey sense, and drive.

Flaws: Lacks a single standout skill. His senior season at UMD was a big jump from previous years, scoring wise, so there are questions about whether or not it's sustainable.

Player type projection: two-way forward or high energy checking line forward (if the offence doesn't stick)


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US NTDP73250
Assets: Is capable of playing in all 3 zones. Good hockey sense and a solid skater. Ha shown some offensive flash, though it is still developing.

Flaws: Is very undersized. Will need to bulk up a lot to handle the physical pro game. His evaluation to this point has been largely from high school play, which always raises the "big fish, small pond" issue.

Player type projection: small but capable two way player.


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Vermont (NCAA)3412193122
Worcester (AHL)133254
Assets: A good skater with offensive skill. Has an all-around offensive game, capable of being either a playmaker or a scorer with a good shot. Is a hard worker and high energy player, and has shown dedication to shoring up the weak spots in his game.

Flaws: Needs to add bulk. Will need to be tested in the pro ranks to see how well his offence translates.

Player type projection: Two-way forward.


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London (OHL)6511233420
Assets: Has developed from a pure offensive player to a responsible two-way player. Good hockey sense. Can force turnovers and play a solid defensive game. Is willing to play the role asked/required of him.

Flaws: Can have turnover problems. There are still equestions of how much his offence translates to the pros. Needs to get bigger and stronger.

Player type projection: High energy two-way center.


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Worcester (AHL)52561114
Assets: Tall frame, capable of playing a good defnesive game. Willing and capable of playing on the PK. Flashed offensive potential in Jr.

Flaws: Had a very poor year in 11-12. His offence has so far deserted him in the pros. He's not gritty or physical despite his size.

Player type projection: Defensive specialist/PKing center with maybe some two-way potential.






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Worcester (AHL)536410167
Assets: Willing to drop the gloves. Willing and able to play the role of an energy guy on the 4th line

Flaws: Not much hockey skill. Has a tendency to commit foolish penalties or pick fights he shouldn't. Lacks skating refinement

Player type projection: enforcer or hybrid grinder/tough guy.


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Worcester (AHL)6516173367
Assets: Big, powerful frame. Willing and able to play a physical game and stand up for teammates. Shows a surprising amount of offensive touch for a player of his size and skill set.

Flaws: Isn't a great skater. Has issues with consistency. Tries too hard to generate offence in ways that he isn't suited to.

Player type projection: grinder/power forward hybrid.


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Worcester (AHL)2001173
San Jose (NHL)70009
Assets: Fights. Towering player with good size. Willing and able to play a grinding, intimidating game. Has shown brief flashes of surprising offensive skill

Flaws: That offence has dried up over the last few years. A poor skater with limited mobility.

Player type projection: Grinder who can drop the gloves.






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Ohio State (NCAA)3514102430
Assets: Tough. Willing to stand up for teammates. Hard worker who added a surprising offensive dimension to his game last year. A high motor, energy player.

Flaws: Not a particularly good skater. Not much offensive skill (in spite of his solid #s last year), or much overall skill.

Player type projection: Grinder/tough guy.


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Minn St.-Mankato3034742
Assets: A big, burly forward who works hard and is learning to play at both ends of the ice. Has shown some offensive potential.

Flaws: His offence has come along slowly in college and remains somewhat underdeveloped. Is not a strong skater.

Player type projection: Physical checking winger with the potential for a bit of offence


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Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL)6316314735
Assets: Good offensive skill in the Q. Plays a responsible two-way game. Has some good vision as a playmaker and good speed once he gets moving. Can finish around the net and play in the gritty, high traffic areas.

Flaws: He has a slender frame and needs to grow and add strength before he reaches the pros. His offensive game is still a work-in-progress, as is his skating (particularly his acceleration)

Player type projection: a two-way winger with a bit of offensive pop, though he could still be a reliable checker/energy player if his offence doesn't translate.


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Worcester (AHL)686142047
Assets: Is a grinding, physical checking line player. Willing to play the grinding game asked of him.

Flaws: His other skills are very limited.

Player type projection: Checking line forward


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Boston U (NCAA)3716264226
Assets: Good speed and quickness. Has good hands and is capable of flashing solid offensive skill, particularly as a goal-scorer

Flaws: A little undersized. Will need to bulk up to handle pro-league physicality

Player type projection: Speedy scoring winger


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Worcester (AHL)6610152517
Assets: Spunky energy player with a scorer's mentality. Has a good work ethic and drive.

Flaws: Isn't strong on his skates. his scoring touch may not be up to par for the pro leagues, which will require him to redefine his game. Can be overpowered by more physical players.

Player type projection: Grinding, energy forward with a little bit of scoring touch.


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Halifax (QMJHL)578364430

Assets: Big, rangey defenceman with offensive skill. A capable power play asset on the back end with his big shot. Is improving defensively.

Flaws: Doesn't use his size to his advantage as much as he could. His defensive zone play is still a work-in-progress.

Player type projection: offensively-tilted two-way defender who can get PP minutes.


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Worcester (AHL)658132189

Assets: Is a mobile, offensively capable player who is willing to throw his weight around physically. Can join the rush and distribute the puck. Has a good shot from the point.

Flaws: Being sub 6-feet puts him a little on the small side. (though he has a thicker build at over 200 pounds). Shows some cracks in his defensive coverage and decision making.

Player type projection: offensive defenceman and PP quarterback.


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Mississauga (OHL)677404770

Assets: Offensive-minded game with a good, accurate point shot. PLays aggressively and doesn't shy away from physical battles in spite of not having ideal size. Has good hockey IQ.

Flaws: Though he will get involved in physical battles, a physical game is not among his strengths.

Player type projection: Two-way defender with very good offensive skill.


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Worcester (AHL)6306676

Assets: Massive size/reach. Not terribly mobile, but more than you might expect given his size. Decent puck skills, has shown some offensive potential in junior.

Flaws: Seems to struggle with confidence, decision making, and passivity. Doesn't use his size or physical advantage nearly enough.

Player type projection: Stay-at-home d-man with maybe some offensive pop.


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Worcester (AHL)7111314248

Assets: Big shot from the point. A solid offensive game and improved decision making. Decent skater

Flaws: His defensive game has improved, but is still not up to regular NHL standards

Player type projection: Offensive defenceman.


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Michigan (NCAA)417243226

Assets: Offensively capable puck-mover with a big shot. Sees the ice well and makes smart decisions offensively.

Flaws: Doesn't shoot as often as one would like. His defensive game is raw. Doesn't play physically.

Player type projection: Offensive defenceman


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Worcester (AHL)59178168

Assets: Big, physical defender who can play a simple but effective game. Steals souls.

Flaws: Has some decision-making trouble. Has no offensive game to speak of.

Player type projection: stay-at-home defenceman


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Worcester (AHL)68189107

Assets: An aggressive, mean defender who can dish out punishing hits and impose himself physically on the opposition.

Flaws: Basically no offence to speak of (in spite of that being considered a possible dimension of his game when drafted). Has severe problems with decision making and ill-timed penalties. Can look overmatched with the pace of the pro game.

Player type projection: Rugged, shutdown d-man who can outmuscle the opposition.


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Cornell (NCAA)347101720

Assets: A strong skater and good passer from the back end. Has shown some burgeoning offensive skill and has a lot of creativity. Plays smoothly and looks calm and composed. Shows skill running a power play.

Flaws: Is inconsistent in terms of production. Tries to play physically in spite of his limited size. It's not as much of an issue in college, but it could cause problems in the pro ranks

Player type projection: Offensive defenceman/PP quarterback.


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Sudbury (OHL)6331619143

Assets: Plays with a physical edge befitting his size. Has a heavy shot.

Flaws: Has skating issues and can be exploited by quicker offensive players. Doesn't use his shot often as he is uncomfortable with the offensive side of the game. Has mental lapses on occasion

Player type projection: Physical stay-at-home defender.



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Western Michigan (NCAA)4111132428
Worcester (AHL)71120

Assets: A capable puck-mover with an NHL-sized frame. Is a good skater for a player of his size and a big, powerful shot. A smart player on the ice who can read the play well His defence is improving.

Flaws: Tends to be a gambler. His play in his own zone is improved, but not yet fully developed. Doesn't use his size as much as would be desired.

Player type projection: Offensive defenceman with two-way potential.


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Sioux City (USHL)5808853

Assets: Plays with a physical edge and is willing to fight to stand up for teammates. Has a projectable frame and some good defensive awareness. Not an offensive player, but the potential is there to be a puck-mover.

Flaws: His offensive skill set is, as of now, quite limited (to borderline non-existence). Has a lot of work to do on his skating and agility.

Player type projection: Stay-at-home defender with a bit of a nasty streak.


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Portland (WHL)603131627

Assets: Efficient defender with some two-way potential. Good defensive awareness, has leadership qualities. Can play a reasonably rugged game when asked.

Flaws: Not flashy. His offensive potential at the pro level is a question mark. Not big or strong enough to be a physical shutdown defender. Lacks a place to play for 2012-13 as of right now. Doesn't have a standout

Player type projection: understated shutdown defender.




I'm not comfortable providing player type projections for goalies since in this context there are only 3 types: starter, platoon, and backup, and it's too hard to guess that now.

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Sarnia (OHL)2612-12-23.01.9053

Assets: A good technical goalie with a wealth of experience in pressure situations (Canadian Jr camps, OHL playoffs).

Flaws: Has consistency issues. Will get lit up on occasion and allow too many goals on too few shots. It's not his fault, but he probably should be in a place where he would be challenged more (he's simply the victim of a numbers game for Sharks goalie prospects)



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Stockton (ECHL)2513-12-03.27.8930

Assets: A battler. Doesn't get rattled, and has done everything asked of him, even if it means playing in the ECHL. Fills the net with his good size.

Flaws: Lacks quickness. Is still adjusting to the speed and skill of the pro game. His skill ceiling is probably the lowest of the 4 goalies in the prospect pool.



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Worcester (AHL)3815-20-12.86.9082

Assets: Solid technical skills. Quick laterally with good overall athleticism.

Flaws: Inconsistent and occasionally prone to bad goals. Can get himself out of position or make incorrect reads.


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Stockton (ECHL)65-1-02.83.9140
Worcester (AHL)21-1-02.51.9090
Peoria (AHL)32-0-01.13.9641

Assets: Athletic goalie with a good glove. Can steal games on occasion. An excellent puck-handler.

Flaws: Can handle the puck too much at times. Will occasionally get overaggressive and his tendency toward reactionary saves can get him into trouble. Still trying to get fully over the nasty leg injury from 2 seasons ago.


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Yes, but I doubt he will. He's 19 already...

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Yes KM, it means that our specs are not as advanced in development as the Wings are. I mean, Andersson is 23. It's not like he's some 20 year old kid.

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Yes, but I doubt he will.
Yeah I just hope he's not a nerd and decides to stay all 4 years in college. Don't pull a Nieto, Kuraly; we need your hockey skills not your intellectual skills!

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Yeah I just hope he's not a nerd and decides to stay all 4 years in college. Don't pull a Nieto, Kuraly; we need your hockey skills not your intellectual skills!
If I was reading into what he's said in interviews in the past and the fact that his father played at Miami (and that the Sharks org doesn't often, if ever, ask players to leave college) - I'd guess he's going to play in college for a while.

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I'm hoping just two years and then AHL, which is what many college prospects do.

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I'm hoping just two years and then AHL, which is what many college prospects do.
Kuraly seems insistent on getting his education, from what I've heard in interviews and things. He's a smart-sounding, well-spoken, mature guy, so I expect he'll value school.

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Well if he's smart, he'll realize that a diploma is worthless and school has no real value when it comes to getting education.

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Does a CHL team hold his rights? If so, he may not be able to...if not he can play in the AHL at age 18.

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Does a CHL team hold his rights? If so, he may not be able to...if not he can play in the AHL at age 18.
I can't find anything about it, but I'll keep looking.

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Does a CHL team hold his rights? If so, he may not be able to...if not he can play in the AHL at age 18.
Not that it matters because there's very, very little chance of him leaving school before 20 - but I'm 99% sure he wasn't drafted into the CHL.

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Yes. But it has nothing to do with being Canadian, it's just whether they're drafted from the CHL vs anywhere else. If you're drafted out of the CHL, you can't go to the AHL until you're 20. If you're drafted out of Europe on an NCAA feeder league, then you can end up in the AHL as soon as you're 18. Canadian players who go the NCAA route can leave college after a year and go to the AHL. But an American who is drafted while playing for an OHL team at 17 can only play in the OHL or NHL until they're 20 (well, there are some insane transfer rules about going from one CHL league to the others, but I don't know how they work off the top of my head)

EDIT: the obvious exception to that is CHL players who play at the end of the AHL season after their Jr season is over. That's allowed regardless of age, but the player must be returned to his Jr squad before the next season.

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Yes. But it has nothing to do with being Canadian, it's just whether they're drafted from the CHL vs anywhere else. If you're drafted out of the CHL, you can't go to the AHL until you're 20. If you're drafted out of Europe on an NCAA feeder league, then you can end up in the AHL as soon as you're 18. Canadian players who go the NCAA route can leave college after a year and go to the AHL. But an American who is drafted while playing for an OHL team at 17 can only play in the OHL or NHL until they're 20 (well, there are some insane transfer rules about going from one CHL league to the others, but I don't know how they work off the top of my head)

EDIT: the obvious exception to that is CHL players who play at the end of the AHL season after their Jr season is over. That's allowed regardless of age, but the player must be returned to his Jr squad before the next season.
Yeah that's why I put "(not playing in the CHL)" since most Canadians take the CHL route with a few exceptions.

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EDIT: the obvious exception to that is CHL players who play at the end of the AHL season after their Jr season is over. That's allowed regardless of age, but the player must be returned to his Jr squad before the next season.
To complete the record, this is not true of NCAA players...they cannot join a pro team when their collegiate season is over under an ATO and retain their NCAA eligibility because the NCAA is the only hockey organization on the planet that considers an ATO a pro contract because players get per-diems under those contracts.

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Yes. But it has nothing to do with being Canadian, it's just whether they're drafted from the CHL vs anywhere else. If you're drafted out of the CHL, you can't go to the AHL until you're 20. If you're drafted out of Europe on an NCAA feeder league, then you can end up in the AHL as soon as you're 18. Canadian players who go the NCAA route can leave college after a year and go to the AHL. But an American who is drafted while playing for an OHL team at 17 can only play in the OHL or NHL until they're 20 (well, there are some insane transfer rules about going from one CHL league to the others, but I don't know how they work off the top of my head)

EDIT: the obvious exception to that is CHL players who play at the end of the AHL season after their Jr season is over. That's allowed regardless of age, but the player must be returned to his Jr squad before the next season.
Ah, but the transfer agreement has expired.

So, who knows if it'll be changed in the new deal?

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1244883

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Hey guys, how do you see Isaac macleod turning out? What would be his ceiling and what would be the safe bet for him to reach?

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I don't expect anything from MacLeod. Maybe a solid third pairing defensive defenseman. We'll see how he keeps progressing.

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Maybe a solid third pairing defensive defenseman.
In the AHL.

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In the AHL.
Helpful.

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What do you guys think Lee Moffie will turn into later on?

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It's a pretty safe bet.

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What do you guys think Lee Moffie will turn into later on?
I'm a fan. All I can say. He is no Matt mother****ing Irwin though.

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