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08-11-2012, 05:38 PM
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So the plan is to have 3 defensive lines and hope Desharnais turns into a PPG+ player? Awesome, I can't wait for Mackinnon.
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So the plan is to have 3 defensive lines and hope Desharnais turns into a PPG+ player? Awesome, I can't wait for Mackinnon.
Our 4th line is much stronger and Eller is ready for more responsabilities. Plekanec, Gionta and whoever is on the 2nd line should get easier ice time and more opportunities to produce. Last season our bottom 6 was a disaster but it should get much stronger by adding the likes of Prust, Armstrong and White (who was surprisingly effective but only played a few games when it was already too late)

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I'm pretty sure Bourque is still considered a second liner. Cole and Patch could be splited on two lines to spread the offence. This team has enough player to make two offensive lines. We will have some interesting call-ups from Hamilton with Blackboy Geoffrion, Leblanc and Gallagher. DD could be moved to a winger, Eller could become our second line center. There is a lot of possibilities to make our two first lines competitive enough. And that's not including a trade.

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Knowing Therrien I think that's exactly where he'll end up and I'm not sure I have a problem with that.
Armstrong Plekanec Gionta might be a very good line if Armstrong can play left. Otherwise I see Bourque Plekanec Gionta as the 2nd line.


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First photoshoot and he gets involved in a bachelorette party. What a boss.

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He is such a boss in the first vid..."Ole Ole Ole", "Come on Pricer" "Lets go Pleky", he should be a great guy in the room...glad to have him

PS : By saying "Lets go Pleky", I guess he expects to play on the same line with him

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He looked so excited while putting on the Habs jersey, almost giddy.

I loved seeing that.

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He looked so excited while putting on the Habs jersey, almost giddy.

I loved seeing that.
This.

You can tell he really wants to be a difference maker here to not only play well for his childhood team, but also play for his next contract+ prove Toronto wrong.

I personally can't wait to see him in action.

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Those are kids. Not DD, Bouillon and Gio. Don't know you could confuse them.
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Wearing 20 on a one year deal? I think we all know he won't be playing here next season.

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Wearing 20 on a one year deal? I think we all know he won't be playing here next season.
He'll have no one to blame but himself.

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Nice to see him getting along with his teammates, don't know why DD, Bouillon, and Gio aren't in uniform though...


Hilarious!

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Hilarious!
They were healthy scratches

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Just watched the videos. Army is awesome.

Also saw Lafleur's disco album. Sad sad sad

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Just watched the videos. Army is awesome.

Also saw Lafleur's disco album. Sad sad sad
Actualy Lafleur disco album is pure genius.

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Just watched the videos. Army is awesome.

Also saw Lafleur's disco album. Sad sad sad
unfortunately you're not a connoisseur of disco. disco flower power = pure solid gold

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i wanted to buy that disco album but could never find it...

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i wanted to buy that disco album but could never find it...
Get it if you see it, it comes with a really a poster of a fairly hairy Lafleur shirtless and a fanclub application. It's absolutely hilarious how much of a relic it is.

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The vids were all great, I watched long enough to hear Subban tell Youppi "Watch yo back" during a swagger frenzy and I lol'd hard.

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Our 4th line is much stronger and Eller is ready for more responsabilities. Plekanec, Gionta and whoever is on the 2nd line should get easier ice time and more opportunities to produce. Last season our bottom 6 was a disaster but it should get much stronger by adding the likes of Prust, Armstrong and White (who was surprisingly effective but only played a few games when it was already too late)
The 4th line is stronger than the units they were forced to ice in the later half of last year.

But that isn't an apples to apples comparison, that's after trades and injuries brought down the team's forward depth.

This time last year 10-12th forwards (4th line) in a healthy lineup were Moen, Darche and Nokialainen. Or Moen/Darche, Eller/Desharnais, White if all three of Gomez, Eller and Desharnais were playing at center.

Right now we are talking about Prust/Armstrong-Nokialainen-White as the 4th line. That isn't really an improvement over Moen-Nokialainen-Darche. If anything its worse.

And a 3rd line based around two or three of Eller, Desharnais and Kostitsyn is better than Eller + two of Leblanc, Armstrong, Moen, Prust etc. Overall the bottom six isn't better than last years, only better than what it was at the end of last year. Changing Cammalleri, Kostitsyn and Darche for Bourque, Armstrong and Prust makes the team worse than it was to start last year, even if it does look more like a stereotypical bottom six with more size and toughness.

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Right now we are talking about Prust/Armstrong-Nokialainen-White as the 4th line. That isn't really an improvement over Moen-Nokialainen-Darche. If anything its worse.
I'm not so sure about that. He might have been useful in previous seasons but Darche was over the hill last season. Not completely useless as some would claim but he had too little left in the tank to be an effective energy forward or secondary point producer and not tough enough to provide grit. Moen did not play much on the fourth line, he was mostly a 2nd or 3rd line forward.

Armstrong and Prust are equal or superior to Moen or should be. White is superior to Darche, not as experienced but definitely tougher and much more energic. The third line should be stronger too, we might not have Kostitsyn but Eller is more seasoned.

Our bottom 6 is faster and stronger than it has been in years. I'm sure they can handle tougher assignement. That is of course unless the 4th line is the ''official Gomez shelter line'' once again. Hopefully not.

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I'm not so sure about that. He might have been useful in previous seasons but Darche was over the hill last season. Not completely useless as some would claim but he had too little left in the tank to be an effective energy forward or secondary point producer and not tough enough to provide grit. Moen did not play much on the fourth line, he was mostly a 2nd or 3rd line forward.

Armstrong and Prust are equal or superior to Moen or should be. White is superior to Darche, not as experienced but definitely tougher and much more energic. The third line should be stronger too, we might not have Kostitsyn but Eller is more seasoned.

Our bottom 6 is faster and stronger than it has been in years. I'm sure they can handle tougher assignement. That is of course unless the 4th line is the ''official Gomez shelter line'' once again. Hopefully not.
These guys played higher than the 4th line last year, but that's my point, we're talking about the full healthy lineup in the off season not the day to day one. And last year the full healthy lineup had Moen and Darche as 4th line players. Or one of Desharnais/Eller as 4 line players.

Moen is simply a better player than Prust. Prust at his best is a 3rd line defensive specialist, which is what Moen averages to be. The only advantage he has over Moen is in fisticuffs. He's not even that great of a penalty killer either.

Darche's offensive game fell off but still provided decent defense both 5 on 5 and on the PK, which is basically what we want from Prust. But Prust isn't taking Darche's lineup spot, that's White.

Likewise Armstrong isn't replacing Darche's lineup spot right now, he's taking Kostitsyn's. And he's not nearly as good as AK.

Moen played on the 2-3rd lines but he was the 10th forward on a healthy lineup. Just the lineup was never healthy. Its the same as putting one of Prust, Moen or Armstrong on the 4th line for next year, they'll likely move up due to injuries too.

They may be faster and bigger, but not better. They don't have the depth offense and defense of 2010-11, where they had a strong shutdown unit based around Halpern+Moen and depth offense based around Desharnais+Pouliot/Darche. Or an excellent two way 3rd line like Moen-Eller-Kostitsyn or strong even strength offense from a Kostitsyn-Desharnais-X like they had if healthy in 2011-12. This unit has one good overall player in Eller, a potentially decent player in Armstrong, two defensive specialists (Moen, Prust) and a couple depth guys. Its simply not as good at playing hockey as what they had before in forwards 7-12 in the depth chart.

They're better at hitting, maybe as good or better at playing defense but has none of the depth scoring threat Montreal used to have in its theoretical bottom six.

Remember, compare apples to apples. If you want to compare the current lineup without injuries, use the other starting lineups that didn't have injuries. For this depth forward group to better than previous depth forward groups you have to compare the everyday lineup effected by injuries from the past to the full healthy lineup in place right now.


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The 4th line is stronger than the units they were forced to ice in the later half of last year.

But that isn't an apples to apples comparison, that's after trades and injuries brought down the team's forward depth.

This time last year 10-12th forwards (4th line) in a healthy lineup were Moen, Darche and Nokialainen. Or Moen/Darche, Eller/Desharnais, White if all three of Gomez, Eller and Desharnais were playing at center.

Right now we are talking about Prust/Armstrong-Nokialainen-White as the 4th line. That isn't really an improvement over Moen-Nokialainen-Darche. If anything its worse.

And a 3rd line based around two or three of Eller, Desharnais and Kostitsyn is better than Eller + two of Leblanc, Armstrong, Moen, Prust etc. Overall the bottom six isn't better than last years, only better than what it was at the end of last year. Changing Cammalleri, Kostitsyn and Darche for Bourque, Armstrong and Prust makes the team worse than it was to start last year, even if it does look more like a stereotypical bottom six with more size and toughness.
I can't believe it. Someone else actually recognizes that we're not a better team?!

Prust will help us though. Just not enough to win games but my hope is that his presence sparks Moen and the whole team to man up as a unit.

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I can't believe it. Someone else actually recognizes that we're not a better team?!
There's lots of factors involved however.

I think of the coach as a multiplier - the right coach will take the innate talent of a team and multiply it by some factor dependent on the coach-squad fit, motivation/drive, injuries, GM influence, acts of god, etc. We had the wrong coach(es) last year, the wrong injuries at the wrong times and little to no motivation. It turned out that Goat was a bad motivator/influence and that was bad too. Everything was not-good: it makes the squad look not-good.

Players like Armstrong and Prust will make a difference, and that difference is highly dependent on how Therrien uses them. I'm not in the prediction game because we have so many known unknowns (and imagine how many unknown unknowns we could have! - like upcoming injuries, scoring droughts, etc) but the new players we've got could start a snowball effect leading to a generally more driven team, a more success-oriented team and so on. Solely due to their playing style of being aggressive and strong - the opposite of the JM philosohpy.

It's anxious times and I just want PK signed and Doan to gtfo so we can get on with it.

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I can't believe it. Someone else actually recognizes that we're not a better team?!

Prust will help us though. Just not enough to win games but my hope is that his presence sparks Moen and the whole team to man up as a unit.
Prust is a very nice 4th liner. I don't like his price point, but whatever.

The biggest thing is the Habs went from having a forward group with good depth offense to no depth offense. The forwards when healthy during the first 20 games was good enough to make up for a brutal 2nd pairing on even strength last year. This forward group even without injuries probably can't do that.

The good players (Plekanec, Cole, Gionta, Pacioretty etc.) in the forward group are good enough to lead a team with really good depth to the playoffs. I don't think they're good enough to do that with a team with mediocre to poor depth

I think Martin was a better coach than Therrien will be too, but I have an open mind there, Therrien could be good, I'm fairly confident he'd be better than Cunneyworth. But the coach probably won't matter as much as the talent will.

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