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07-29-2012, 08:12 PM
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Hall-RNH-Eberle
Hemsky-Gagner-Yakupov
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Pajaarvi-Belanger-Petrell
Eager

Smid-Petry
Whitney-N.Shultz
J.Shultz-Sutton
Peckham

Dubnyk
Danis
last half of the season Smid-petry were paired together.
they played the other teams best.
they were the 5th best pair by numbers 2.24EVGA/60 (+.51/60)

we had a 13 game set were we did not have 3 slow footed dmen
Barker
Sutton
tuebert
injured whitney

and dubnyk in net.

During that time the Dsets were
Smid-Petry 1st comp
Sutton-Healthier Whitney or Schultz - HealthierWhitney 2ND COMP
Peckham-Potter 3RD COMP

They went 10W - 1L - 2 OTL 1.75GAA .944 SV%


A tier set of
Smid-petry
Whitney-N. Schultz
Peckham - J. Schultz
Sutton-Potter

So i like yours with us running 8 Dmen on the roster rather than 7 with a PB rotation until injuries force our hands.

KHB had 1 win the last half of the season. .889 Sv% and 3.38 GAA.
A tandem of DD and Danis is perfect
Zues discussed power play

We had 4 players in the top 25 for PP results
Hall #4
RNH #9
Horcoff #19
Eberle #23
You do not break that up you try and get your 2nd unit in the top 50 players.
Which fits Kruegers strong faceoff center and 4 forward unit structure.

Gagner #53
Potter #90
Whitney #114
Smyth #150
hemsky #216

Jones only got a minute per game but his numbers would rank 27th in the league.
Two top 50 with Gagner, Jones,
yakupov,
????

Whitney, Potter, Petry were interchngeable in the 100 range.

PK
Jones was top 15 PK wingers
Belanger was top 10 PK centers.
Hence the jump in ranking
Horcoff ranked 25th for Centers.

Who is the 4th?

Even play.
We have 4 Centers. the question is who plays well with Whom?

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/players.php

tells the even results by best fit.

RNH played best with Smyth, Eberle, hartikainen
Gagner played best with Smyth, Eberle, hemsky, eager.
Horcoff played best with Hall
Belanger played best with Eager, pajaarvi
Eberle best with Smyth, Hartikainen, Gagner, RNH, HALL
HALL best with Horcoff, Eberle, RNH
Smyth best with Gagner, Eberle, RNH
Hemsky Best with Hartikainen, Paajarvi, RNH, Gagner
Jones best with Eager, Gagner
Eager best with belanger, jones
Hartikainen best with Hemsky, RNH, gagner, Eberle
MP best with Hemsky, Belanger

there is alot of blending of lines for the 47min of Even play per game
1st line gets 14min 1148 min
2nd line gets 13min 1066 min
3rd lne gets 12min 984 min
4th line gets 8min 656 min
when a coach thinks a line is strong together they will see 500-900min a season

Hall-Horcoff-Yakupov
It was surprising to see hall was more productive: Offensively and Outcoring with Horcoff against 1st/2nd comp
than with RNH and Eberle facing 2nd & 3rd with better zone start.
This pair would be 37GF 23GA in 800 min of play.
for the other 348 minutes
340 min hall w/ RNH-Eberle 17GF - 14GA
170 Horc w/ Smyth -Hartikainen 10GF -7GA
170 horc w/ Smyth -Hemsky
170 yakupov w/Gagner-Hemsky
170 Yakupov w/ Gagner-Hartikainen

Smyth-Gagner-Eberle
This line was superior offensively and outscoring facing tougher comp and harder zone starts 50%.
than the RNH-Eberle Combo being spoon fed 60-65% zone start.
this allows us to use 25% less cummulitve zone start. These offensive zone starts can be used for a softer line.
This line should be 44GF 30GA in 700 min


Hartikainen- RNH-Hemsky
These wingers produced there most offensive production with RNH.
hartikainen faced 1st com in a 55% zone start role.
hemsky first comp in a 50% zone start.
RNH faced 2nd/3rd Comp with a 65% zone start.
We shoud be able to roll this line against 2nds in a 50-52% zone start and outscore quite effectively.
This line should be 32GF 21GA in 640Min.

Eager-Belanger-Jones
this allows the wings who were most effective together to get 650min instead of 100min with each other.
Allows the wingers to play with the center they are most effective with.
the line should be 28GF 21GA in 560 min


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07-29-2012, 08:59 PM
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Holy smokes. What a post.

I do like Ebs and Smyth together for some reason.

Hall and Yak would be fast. Horc is a better skater than Gagner so he could play with those guys.

Hall-Horc-Yak would be good IMO.

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07-29-2012, 11:26 PM
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we need to trade belanger for big body 4th line center. i dont see why we need him to me hes 2 similar to horcoff

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07-30-2012, 12:19 AM
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Oilerbear with one of the more interesting posts i've seen in some time. It's weird because math put them together in a lot of ways, but i think those lines would be pretty decent. Hall Horcoff Eberle played well two years ago. I do worry that a Hall Horcoff Yakupov line lacks a playmaker, Horcoff isn't a bad passer but he's not the kind of passer high end finishers could use imo. I would change Hemsky, Eberle and Yakupov around, and give the RNH line another Sedin like push offensively. Also i'd sub Eager out for Petrell, i ****ing can't stand Eager as a hockey player. Petrell was put in a tough situation in terms of linemates, so i don't know if the math is everything with him yet. He sure seemed to play well enough with good players, he should get better, and he can hit and PK.

Harti/Paaja-Hopkins-Eberle
Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky
Smyth-Gagner-Yakupov
Petrell-Belanger-Jones

I'm not sure i'm in love with the idea of Hartikainen or Paajarvi starting in the NHL next year, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Doan doesn't seem to be coming here, and at 7.5 i'd pass on anything over 2 years. The nice thing with this group is there is size everywhere.

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07-30-2012, 01:26 AM
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we need to trade belanger for big body 4th line center. i dont see why we need him to me hes 2 similar to horcoff
Belanger played terrible last year, however he SIGNIFICANTLY helped in the faceoff department.

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07-30-2012, 01:31 AM
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why no barker edmonton?

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why no barker edmonton?
because barker has no bite.

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because barker has no bite.
More like Barker bites.

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07-30-2012, 06:24 PM
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Opening Lines
Yakupov-RNH-Eberle(RNH and Eberle are magic. Yakupov would hopefully give them lots of space too)
Hall-Gagner-Hemsky (Loved how Hemsky and Hall played together)
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones (Solid checking line with some scoring touch)
Eager-Belanger-Petrell (Just solid defensive forwards)

Smid-Petry (They were brilliant together last year)
Whitney-N.Schultz (Healthy Whitney is good Whitney)
J.Schultz-Peckham (Puck mover with a decent defender)
Sutton/Potter

Dubnyk (Would prefer ~55 starts)
Khabbibulin (The less starts the better for this aged tender)

PP#1
Hall-Horcoff-Eberle(Horc for faceoffs and man in front)
RNH-Petry

PP#2
Smyth-Gagner-Yakupov(Smyth in front, Yakupov on the side boards)
Smid-Schultz

Honestly if Dubnyk plays like he did during that 13 game stretch, Whitney and the kids stay healthy, and Petry improves upon his great play last year... We are in the races for the playoffs. I don't see Chicago/Calgary/Colorado/Columbus/Anaheim being too great of a challenge. I can see us taking Nashville/San Jose/Phoenix with this line-up too.


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Opening Lines
Yakupov-RNH-Eberle(RNH and Eberle are magic. Yakupov would hopefully give them lots of space too)
Hall-Gagner-Hemsky (Loved how Hemsky and Hall played together)
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones (Solid checking line with some scoring touch)
Eager-Belanger-Petrell (Just solid defensive forwards)

Smid-Petry (They were brilliant together last year)
Whitney-N.Schultz (Healthy Whitney is good Whitney)
J.Schultz-Peckham (Puck mover with a decent defender)
Sutton/Potter

Dubnyk (Would prefer ~55 starts)
Khabbibulin (The less starts the better for this aged tender)

PP#1
Hall-Horcoff-Eberle(Horc for faceoffs and man in front)
RNH-Petry

PP#2
Smyth-Gagner-Yakupov(Smyth in front, Yakupov on the side boards)
Smid-Schultz

Honestly if Dubnyk plays like he did during that 13 game stretch, Whitney and the kids stay healthy, and Petry improves upon his great play last year... We are in the races for the playoffs. I don't see Chicago/Calgary/Colorado/Columbus/Anaheim being too great of a challenge. I can see us taking Nashville/San Jose/Phoenix with this line-up too.
Hemsky is not on any of your PP lines, and since when is Smid on the PP over Whitney?

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07-30-2012, 07:18 PM
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Hemsky is not on any of your PP lines, and since when is Smid on the PP over Whitney?
if whitney is the same player as last year i would want him as far away from the PP as possible. i remember watching him fumble the puck at the blueline numerous times last year creating so many breakaways for the opposition. he was a big factor in why we were top 10 in shorthanded goals against last year.

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if whitney is the same player as last year i would want him as far away from the PP as possible. i remember watching him fumble the puck at the blueline numerous times last year creating so many breakaways for the opposition. he was a big factor in why we were top 10 in shorthanded goals against last year.
I'm fairly certain Whitney will be a better option than Smid on the PP.

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Hemsky is not on any of your PP lines, and since when is Smid on the PP over Whitney?
Honestly I forgot about Hemsky. I still like those lines without him.
However with Smid he's a way better skater than Whitney with a better shooting percentage. And with a rookie defender on the other point do you want a slow skater on the opposite side if we happen to lose possession? Because I sure as hell wouldn't.
And to add... how many laser passes to the opposition from Whitney have you seen? I can remember at least 5 giveaways that he burned into my memory with crap play.
Edit: Maybe throw Hemsky in place of Smyth(no screen) or Yakupov(make him earn a spot)


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Where do Paajarvi and Omark fit into the Oilers 2012-2013 lineup?

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Where do Paajarvi 3rd line and Omark doesnt fit into the Oilers 2012-2013 lineup?
just like that i think

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just like that i think
Thank you for your response sir.

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So, on D, are we basically looking at:

J.Schultz-Whitney
Smid-Petry
N.Schultz-Potter
Sutton-Peckham

and then next year

J.Schultz-Smid (re-sign)
N.Schultz-Petry
Klefbom-UFA/Potter

Thoughts? I think both are too weak.

Or if Whitney is staying, it would be Klefbom-Whitney I guess

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So, on D, are we basically looking at:

J.Schultz-Whitney
Smid-Petry
N.Schultz-Potter
Sutton-Peckham

and then next year

J.Schultz-Smid (re-sign)
N.Schultz-Petry
Klefbom-UFA/Potter

Thoughts? I think both are too weak.

Or if Whitney is staying, it would be Klefbom-Whitney I guess
Need a huge upgrade in Potter's spot.

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Need a huge upgrade in Potter's spot.
Personally I don't see Potter playing ahead of Sutton or Peckham this year.

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Sutton is a solid #6. I have no idea why so many people pencil him out of the lineup. He's a perfect #6 and the team is better with him in there.

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Sutton is a solid #6. I have no idea why so many people pencil him out of the lineup. He's a perfect #6 and the team is better with him in there.
I think he's a good 6, but a great 7.

Because we don't have anyone who could be called a top-2 defenseman, I think it would be better to go with five or six guys who could handle 20 minutes a night.

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I want Sutton in the lineup for his "truculence" and physicality every game. He does nothing in the pressbox. He's getting up in age but I don't see why he can't play every game if he's healthy. He adds something to the lineup that the Oilers need... the ability to crush people and keep opponents honest and on the lookout when he's on the ice.

Hell... I'd add another Sutton at #5 just to make sure they have enough crunch in the lineup at all times. Regehr would be a perfect addition to supplement what Sutton brings. Teubert and/or Peckham bring some of that and will be decent fillers in lieu of Regehr because he's likely not available in a trade.

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Cant wait for the season to start !!!!

my lines would look like this

Hall RNH Eberle
PRV Gag Hemsky
Smyth Horcoff Yack
Eager Belanger Jones
Petrell
Hortichuck

first call - Hart

(tough call between PRV and Hart but i think that the oilers will go with PRV as he has more up side)

N.Schultz Whitney
Petry Smid
Potter Sutton
Peckham

first call up J schultz

(I expect J Schultz to play a big part for the oilers this year but i dont think it would hurt to play the first 10 games or so in the minors to get use to the Pro Game. im sure after 10 games we will have some guys on IR and he will get his shot.)

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I really wish we had a good 2C...
It could make our team so much better. Instead we have a million 3C's.

Nsoilfan... I'd rather have #19 than #6 right now.

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Cant wait for the season to start !!!!

my lines would look like this

Hall RNH Eberle
PRV Gag Hemsky
Smyth Horcoff Yack
Eager Belanger Jones
Petrell
Hortichuck

first call - Hart

(tough call between PRV and Hart but i think that the oilers will go with PRV as he has more up side)

N.Schultz Whitney
Petry Smid
Potter Sutton
Peckham

first call up J schultz

(I expect J Schultz to play a big part for the oilers this year but i dont think it would hurt to play the first 10 games or so in the minors to get use to the Pro Game. im sure after 10 games we will have some guys on IR and he will get his shot.)
In the all time list of things that will never happen, that ranks pretty high. Implicit in Schultz's signing here was the opportunity to play with the big club all year and the Oilers aren't going to taint their relationship with him and all future free agents by reneging.

He would have to really, really, struggle to be sent down to OKC.

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