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08-13-2012, 12:31 AM
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Kassian isn't a playmaker or even a pass first player at all; doesn't have the same hockey IQ either. Hopefully won't have the same attitude problems. Not even remotely close to being comparable to Getzlaf.

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Kassian isn't a playmaker or even a pass first player at all; doesn't have the same hockey IQ either. Hopefully won't have the same attitude problems. Not even remotely close to being comparable to Getzlaf.
He's a big body with soft hands who has a natural knack at playmaking. He isn't one to initiate body contact but rather will take the contact and give it back stronger. He uses his big body to shield the puck and looks to distribute the puck to places of good use.


Maybe you're correct about him not having the same hockey IQ, but you don't need things to be identical to make a comparison. What does attitude problems have anything to do with the playstyles?

He's not the same player as Getzlaf, but he plays a very similar style/game.

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08-13-2012, 12:43 AM
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Yes, because I would suggest something completely ridiculous rather than something that is much more reasonable!

Why don't you look at the conversation above where people are talking about what Kassian's game is likened to!



Digging yourself a hole.
You did suggest something completely ridiculous..."Kassian is basically Getzlaf on the wing"...now you've either clarified your statement or backtracked heavily...either way, if there is a hole it's been made by your initial statement.

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08-13-2012, 12:53 AM
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Yes, because I would suggest something completely ridiculous rather than something that is much more reasonable!

Why don't you look at the conversation above where people are talking about what Kassian's game is likened to!



Digging yourself a hole.
Not digging a hole at all. You're the one who said Kassian is Getzlaf as a winger

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I disagree, granted Read is a talented but undersized forward don't we already have have enough of those (we haven't even given Schroeder a shot yet) why trade what is becoming a more and more valuable Dman for a player we don't need
i kinda agree, he might fill the 3rd line center spot pretty nicely but in reality he's just another smallish, defensively sound tweener

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Yes, because I implied Kassian is as good as Getzlaf.
I didn't think you were until..
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Care to tell me where they differ?
How else could you take that?

Edit: Didn't catch the explanation on the last page-- I don't think you worded that very well, personally. I thought you meant that at this age, Getzlaf was identical skill-wise or something.


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08-13-2012, 01:48 AM
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He's a big body with soft hands who has a natural knack at playmaking. He isn't one to initiate body contact but rather will take the contact and give it back stronger. He uses his big body to shield the puck and looks to distribute the puck to places of good use.


Maybe you're correct about him not having the same hockey IQ, but you don't need things to be identical to make a comparison. What does attitude problems have anything to do with the playstyles?

He's not the same player as Getzlaf, but he plays a very similar style/game.
From what I've seen from Kassian I disagree with the whole playmaking premise. He can pass, but setting up teammates doesn't seem to be his forte. What he does best is work with the cycle and put himself in good position to pass/shoot/protect puck.

I mean, guys like Getzlaf, Thornton, Hemsky, etc. see the whole ice and use that to create plays. Whereas guys like Kassian, Hartnell, etc. are better at working in a smaller scope and work the cycle.

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08-13-2012, 02:45 AM
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From what I've seen from Kassian I disagree with the whole playmaking premise. He can pass, but setting up teammates doesn't seem to be his forte. What he does best is work with the cycle and put himself in good position to pass/shoot/protect puck.

I mean, guys like Getzlaf, Thornton, Hemsky, etc. see the whole ice and use that to create plays. Whereas guys like Kassian, Hartnell, etc. are better at working in a smaller scope and work the cycle.
Yeah that's why I think people make the Lucic comparison, he's the dump off pass playmaker type. Not necessarily elite vision but can work off the cycle and boards and can find teammates. It's sucha small sample size as others have said so its pointless to really have a hard opinion. Iam excited to see him develop though.

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08-13-2012, 05:37 AM
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Yeah that's why I think people make the Lucic comparison, he's the dump off pass playmaker type. Not necessarily elite vision but can work off the cycle and boards and can find teammates. It's sucha small sample size as others have said so its pointless to really have a hard opinion. Iam excited to see him develop though.
what? no, people make the lucic comparison because hes BIG GRIT POWERFORWARD HITS MAN. theres no more nuance than that

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He's a big body with soft hands who has a natural knack at playmaking. He isn't one to initiate body contact but rather will take the contact and give it back stronger. He uses his big body to shield the puck and looks to distribute the puck to places of good use.


Maybe you're correct about him not having the same hockey IQ, but you don't need things to be identical to make a comparison. What does attitude problems have anything to do with the playstyles?

He's not the same player as Getzlaf, but he plays a very similar style/game.
I would go as far as saying that this is exactly opposite of the player he is. I've watched Kassian play as far back as the world juniors and I never remember him being a great playmaker.

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08-13-2012, 07:21 AM
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Kassian is more like Hartnell than Getzlaf or Lucic. 55 pt player who hits like a truck? I'll take it.

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08-13-2012, 09:09 AM
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Well i certainly hope Kassian doesn't play like Getzlaf did this past season. Getzlaf was a ghost for a large chunk of it.

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Well i certainly hope Kassian doesn't play like Getzlaf did this past season. Getzlaf was a ghost for a large chunk of it.
If Kassian can play like a ghost and put up close to 60 points I'd take it.

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I would go as far as saying that this is exactly opposite of the player he is. I've watched Kassian play as far back as the world juniors and I never remember him being a great playmaker.
Every single scouting report out of juniors highlights his playmaking ability. I don't think the comparison with Getzlaf is there because Getzlaf is on another level in that regard. Still, Kassian does have good vision.


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Kassian is a power forward winger with good hockey sense and a knack for making the right plays (be it a pass or a shot). Getzlaf is a big bruising playmaking center. Two different categories.

It's like comparing Voracek with Henrik.

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2 pages of Getz comparisons to Kass ... it must be summer.

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2 pages of Getz comparisons to Kass ... it must be summer.
And another reason why I'm dreading a lockout

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I think if we want to see an accurate and unbiased comparison of Kassian to Getzlaf, and not just use height and weight as comparable stats, we need a power forward acquisition, or at least a veteran former power forward, someone like Morrow, Arnott, Perry, or Getzlaf (surprise!), that has been around and can take Kassian and Jensen under their wing and show them how to bang and score and play effectively. Like how guys like Sundin, Demitra and Samuelsson have done for the Keslers and Burrows of our team.

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I think kassian is going to be a ****ing stud this year.

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Is it just me or is this offseason making this board stupider than other recent offseasons?

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Is it just me or is this offseason making this board stupider than other recent offseasons?
Seeing as "stupider" isn't even a word, perhaps you're right.

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I think kassian is going to be a ****ing stud this year.
In the AHL where he'll play because of the lockout...

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Seeing as "stupider" isn't even a word, perhaps you're right.
It's working on me as well...BLIMEY!

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Seeing as "stupider" isn't even a word, perhaps you're right.
Sounds awful, but it is a word: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stupider

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