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Things could get ugly here. Not sure PSU really wants to go this route. The BOT is trying to argue that the President had no right to accept the deal without their consent. On the flip side, NCAA could double down on PSU and make penalties much worse.

Not much to gain for PSU in this.
More can get tacked on now? Had no idea the BOT overpowered the president, I mean aren't they a bunch of students?

Wonder if this could lead the way to a full NCAA investigation?

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Board of Trustees are rich influential alums and community leaders...

And it's only a small portion of them who have filed this appeal, which is kinda funny.

They are mad at the president for acting without consulting the board, so 4 of the 30 or so members acted alone in filing a appeal without consulting the board.



I don't see what going to change.

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Their board of trustees had a phone meeting to tonight.... Basically the vast majority gave support to President Ericksons decision, and even the rogue trustees seems to lay down their swords.

They basically said they disagreed with the sanctions, but the NCAA acted within their rights and the pres was given a choice between a giant ****** or a turd sandwich.... So they are going to accept everything and move on.

Some mention of the department of education investigating further in regards to the Cleary act, which could be a MUCH bigger issue for the entire university....

Not fun times in Happy Valley

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Their board of trustees had a phone meeting to tonight.... Basically the vast majority gave support to President Ericksons decision, and even the rogue trustees seems to lay down their swords.

They basically said they disagreed with the sanctions, but the NCAA acted within their rights and the pres was given a choice between a giant ****** or a turd sandwich.... So they are going to accept everything and move on.

Some mention of the department of education investigating further in regards to the Cleary act, which could be a MUCH bigger issue for the entire university....

Not fun times in Happy Valley
So given this and the article I posted could the punishment get worse?(like the death penalty?)

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So given this and the article I posted could the punishment get worse?(like the death penalty?)
Just my opinion, but I don't think the article you posted is going to have any consequences for the football team....

I have a suspicion that the board and higher ups at the university, perhaps even in the state of PA wanted to place the blame as much as possible on the football team an athletic department to direct the case that way.

They wanted this in order to deflect blame away from the countless other organizations who also didn't realize what Sandusky was....

Sure the football guys didn't help bring an end to Sanduskys reign of terror... But what about The Second Mile? What about the government organizations that signed off on this guy adopting kids for decades? What about the current governor who dragged his feet when he was investigating Sandusky in his previous role?

The current Governor was investigating Sandusky during his campaign for Governor.... But he knew he wasn't going to get elected if he brought this case to light if he destroyed the beloved PSU football team... So he delayed and won his election, and only then did the investigation ramp up.

He could have prevented other children from being abuse if he had acted quicker (I think it took 3 years)


Basically I think the sanctions on the team are what they are... And they earned them. They blew it when they could have been Herod.

But I also believe this story goes a lot higher up... And possibly gets much darker if that article you posted is accurate.


I feel bad for the average PSU fan, and/or graduate. I have quite a few friends that are alums... They have diplomas signed by Graham Spanier... A key player in the downfall of their school... That has to suck.

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More can get tacked on now? Had no idea the BOT overpowered the president, I mean aren't they a bunch of students?

Wonder if this could lead the way to a full NCAA investigation?
No, the board of trustees is the controlling body of the school. Typically the board is made up of big-time donors, esteemed graduates, and people in influential places. They hire and fire the president.

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So the football program screws up and T-Pegs is going to punish the hockey program? That makes total sense.
This thread is very long and it will take forever to read through it all but...

Why would anyone want to go to Penn State anymore? Yeah, it makes no sense to punish hockey over football, but the hockey program won't be attracting top level talent so what is the point? If you have the choice of going to the #1 hockey college or to help Penn State build a program, which would you chose?

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Why would anyone want to go to Penn State anymore?
Because Penn State isn't just about football?

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Because Penn State isn't just about football?
Doesn't matter. People boycott foods over the company political stances...

If you have an option of:

1.) Good School
2.) Just as Good School with Child Molestation Problems

which do you choose?

I wouldn't go to Penn State just because every time someone asked where I went to college and I said Penn State they'd say oh that place where those little kids got molested? Not something you really want to deal with for the rest of your life.

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Doesn't matter. People boycott foods over the company political stances...

If you have an option of:

1.) Good School
2.) Just as Good School with Child Molestation Problems

which do you choose?

I wouldn't go to Penn State just because every time someone asked where I went to college and I said Penn State they'd say oh that place where those little kids got molested? Not something you really want to deal with for the rest of your life.
At the same time...money speaks. They can give scholarships to players who maybe wouldn't get it from other players.

It's a huge black mark on Penn St, and it will hurt...but they will still get their recruits.

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Doesn't matter. People boycott foods over the company political stances...

If you have an option of:

1.) Good School
2.) Just as Good School with Child Molestation Problems

which do you choose?

I wouldn't go to Penn State just because every time someone asked where I went to college and I said Penn State they'd say oh that place where those little kids got molested? Not something you really want to deal with for the rest of your life.

Enrollments are steady if not slightly up.

Donations are pouring in in record numbers.

Most of the public recognizes what went on.

My students are still getting prime jobs.

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Enrollments are steady if not slightly up.

Donations are pouring in in record numbers.

Most of the public recognizes what went on.

My students are still getting prime jobs.
Of course enrollment is up slightly. It doesn't mean they are getting the same quality students that they were getting previously. And enough time has not passed to see if that quality is decreasing and if they will still be getting the same quality of jobs postgrad. We have at least four years to wait for that.

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Doesn't matter. People boycott foods over the company political stances...

If you have an option of:

1.) Good School
2.) Just as Good School with Child Molestation Problems

which do you choose?

I wouldn't go to Penn State just because every time someone asked where I went to college and I said Penn State they'd say oh that place where those little kids got molested? Not something you really want to deal with for the rest of your life.
The #1 reason to go to Penn State is that there are TONS of PSU alums out there to help graduating seniors get jobs.

Networking in huge in life and a Penn State diploma can help you get a job.

That hasn't changed because of the Sandusky affair.

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Honestly, do you believe they could have done a better job then the investigation of the Freeh report?
The Freeh group did not interview any of the major players (Paterno, McQueary, Sandusky, Spanier, Curley, or Schultz) because of the pending criminal trials.

If the NCAA took their time, like they do with investigations, then they would have been able to interview all the people that were still alive that the Freeh group didn't.

The quality of an NCAA investigation is always dependent on how fully the institution in question cooperates with the investigation.

The same was true for the Freeh group as they didn't have subpoena powers, either.

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I couldn't find the link online, but the ESPN the Magazine College Football Preview Issue has an article on the negotiation to come up with the punishment that was handed out by the NCAA.

That made it sound like other college presidents just wanted to kill Penn State and it took Emmert to talk them off of it.

It was just another example that this whole this was a clusterhuck as I've never heard of the NCAA Exec Board being involved in sanctions like that.

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Enrollments are steady if not slightly up.

Donations are pouring in in record numbers.

Most of the public recognizes what went on.

My students are still getting prime jobs.
Sure but you know whos "enrolling" right? Average kids, not the athletes. Far more average kids in the world than the athletic ones.

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Because Penn State isn't just about football?
Sure, but athletic kids won't want to go there

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Sure, but athletic kids won't want to go there
I don't see an issue with that.

So we get more academically-inclined kids. The world doesn't revolve around athletics.

You make it sound like academically-bent kids are inferior to athletes.

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Sure, but athletic kids won't want to go there
Really?

I think there are plenty of kids that will want to be a part of rebuilding the "new Penn State".

There are some top notch recruits that have already verbally committed thanks to Bill O'Brien's recruiting.

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Really?

I think there are plenty of kids that will want to be a part of rebuilding the "new Penn State".

There are some top notch recruits that have already verbally committed thanks to Bill O'Brien's recruiting.
Top notch? Where? Didn't hear about this. Bill O'Brien is a nobody in the NCAA and NFL. People only recall him as the guy who got into it with Tom Brady. Before that game in Washington his name was never mentioned.

Guess it depends on the kid, lower level skill whos shot to make the NFL is slim then maybe. But if you want to get noticed and are real good you go to the SEC or a real popular country wide school. Take for example a guy like that Mathieu kid from LSU. He's 5'9 and a heisman finalist. But if he goes to say Penn State his NFL chances drastically diminish.

Penn State is never going to be that relevant or good again. Aside from like 06 they hadn't done anything to write home about the previous 15 or so years. They really haven't done anything since then. Back in the 80's College Football was a vastly different brand than it is now.

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I don't see an issue with that.

So we get more academically-inclined kids. The world doesn't revolve around athletics.

You make it sound like academically-bent kids are inferior to athletes.
No. But now with the lack of potential athletes they might take on some students who are considerd projects that they might not else have to make up the difference

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Top notch? Where? Didn't hear about this. Bill O'Brien is a nobody in the NCAA and NFL. People only recall him as the guy who got into it with Tom Brady. Before that game in Washington his name was never mentioned.

Guess it depends on the kid, lower level skill whos shot to make the NFL is slim then maybe. But if you want to get noticed and are real good you go to the SEC or a real popular country wide school. Take for example a guy like that Mathieu kid from LSU. He's 5'9 and a heisman finalist. But if he goes to say Penn State his NFL chances drastically diminish.

Penn State is never going to be that relevant or good again. Aside from like 06 they hadn't done anything to write home about the previous 15 or so years. They really haven't done anything since then. Back in the 80's College Football was a vastly different brand than it is now.
http://pennstate.scout.com/a.z?s=157&p=9&c=4&yr=2013

5 star TE Adam Breneman (from Camp Hill, PA) is still committed.

4 star QB (and the #6 QB recruit in the nation) Christian Hackenberg is still committed.

4 star OLB Zayd Issah (from Harrisburg, PA) is still committed.

4 star DE Garrett Sickels is still committed.

Is going to be tough. But, the new Penn State will be OK.

Besides, it's been a while since Penn State was a year in, year out national title contender. They only have 2 Big Ten titles since they moved to the Big 10 in 1993. They have only one other BCS bowl appearance in that time.

O'Brien doesn't have that far to go to get the program where it has been over the past decade under JoePa. It has been over 25 years since their last national title.

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Wish they would say what year these kids are. Big difference between being a Jr. or Sr. If they are Jrs they can sit on it for a year and re-evaluate their options.

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