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Three trades that turn Toronto into a legit eastern threat

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08-13-2012, 03:10 PM
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All those trades and still no #1 center? Is that you Burkie?

I don't like the concept of trading Gardiner and replacing him with Jaybo either, not at all.

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08-13-2012, 03:11 PM
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Unproven rookie and Komisarek in 2nd pair not much of a threat

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08-13-2012, 03:11 PM
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Calgary and Anaheim laugh at Toronto.

Vancouver takes it and runs.
This.

The Calgary one makes no sense.

Flames have Leland Irving already.

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They've done it before with a pick that turned into Seguin.
Yeah and no, they got Kessel out of the deal which increased the demand for a #1C. Its always been there but more apparent when they have Kessel lighting it up.

As for the trades, they wouldn't make them a legit threat in the east. Puts them in the playoffs arguably.

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08-13-2012, 03:13 PM
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All those trades and still no #1 center? Is that you Burkie?

I don't like the concept of trading Gardiner and replacing him with Jaybo either, not at all.
Nor should you. The trade with Jaybo seems like a temp fix. Might as well wait for Gardiner at that point.

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How to destroy the future for marginal gain in 2012-2013.

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How to destroy the future for marginal gain in 2012-2013.
Textbook.

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I'm not a Toronto fan, so no bias here. Just thought up a way to make TO a much better team next year without losing a ton of youth.

Trade 1:
Toronto 2013 first rounder + Reimer for Jay Boumeester + Calgary midgrade prospect. Make this deal first before other improvements, Calgary accepts as the pick could be lottery and they need a younger goalie.

Trade 2:
Jake Gardiner + Toronto 2013 2nd rounder + Calgary mid-grade prospect for Bobby Ryan. Gardiner's a stud, but with Boumeester incoming and Reilly in the wings he's expendable, and Ryan is a beast and still young.

Trade 3:
Lupul + Biggs for Luongo. Vancouver is in win now mode, this provides them with a playmaking winger to play with Kes and booth, and a nice prospect too.



Top 6
Kessel - JVR - Ryan
Kadri - Grabovski - Kulemin

Top 4 D
Bouwmeester - Phaneuf
Reilly - Komisarek

Goal
Luongo
Scrivens
Nucks fans should stick to their own teams proposals and not try to make others look bad.

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All three of those trades make Toronto significantly weaker IMO.

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08-13-2012, 03:24 PM
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Please read before posting.

I clearly stated you trade for Bouwmeester first, before you turn into a playoff team with the other trades.


I think its you who needs to learn to read.

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08-13-2012, 03:25 PM
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This.

The Calgary one makes no sense.

Flames have Leland Irving already.
This is what I was set to post.
Calgary already has young goalies. Reimer has had more expereince but this is not needed and would create a large hole in Calgary's backend.

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I'm not a Toronto fan, so no bias here. Just thought up a way to make TO a much better team next year without losing a ton of youth.

Trade 1:
Toronto 2013 first rounder + Reimer for Jay Boumeester + Calgary midgrade prospect. Make this deal first before other improvements, Calgary accepts as the pick could be lottery and they need a younger goalie.

Trade 2:
Jake Gardiner + Toronto 2013 2nd rounder + Calgary mid-grade prospect for Bobby Ryan. Gardiner's a stud, but with Boumeester incoming and Reilly in the wings he's expendable, and Ryan is a beast and still young.

Trade 3:
Lupul + Biggs for Luongo. Vancouver is in win now mode, this provides them with a playmaking winger to play with Kes and booth, and a nice prospect too.



Top 6
Kessel - JVR - Ryan
Kadri - Grabovski - Kulemin

Top 4 D
Bouwmeester - Phaneuf
Reilly - Komisarek

Goal
Luongo
Scrivens
1. Boumeester is worth more then a 1st and Calgary has a good prospect goalie in Laurent Brossoit. Reimer right now has little value if any.

2.Ryan should get you a 1st + top6 forward/ top4 D+ top prospect at least. Like Jake Gardiner, but him plus crap is not going get you Ryan. Duck fans should have fun flaming this one

3.Lupul is a unknown, coming off a injury and he has been too hot and cold over his career. Biggs still needs much improvement. Vancouver would want a lot more then this for Luongo.

If I didn't know better, looking at these prposals, I would think the OP is pulling a April Fools joke.

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08-13-2012, 03:26 PM
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Then add Kadri and try and extract a winger from Van or Calgary.
I said a player that can play 2nd line center. Not another prospect

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Legit threat to make the playoffs maybe but I wouldnt bet on it.

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08-13-2012, 03:29 PM
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Leafs are probably better off keeping their potential lottery pick and having a shot at guys like MacKinnon, Monahan, Barkov, Jones, or Shinkaruk.

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1. Boumeester is worth more then a 1st and Calgary has a good prospect goalie in Laurent Brossoit. Reimer right now has little value if any.

2.Ryan should get you a 1st + top6 forward/ top4 D+ top prospect at least. Like Jake Gardiner, but him plus crap is not going get you Ryan. Duck fans should have fun flaming this one

3.Lupul is a unknown, coming off a injury and he has been too hot and cold over his career. Biggs still needs much improvement. Vancouver would want a lot more then this for Luongo.

If I didn't know better, looking at these prposals, I would think the OP is pulling a April Fools joke.
I agree that the first 2 are underpayment unless Toronto's 1st is a lotto pick (quite likely imho)...but on the 3rd I think that's a great return for Vancouver if they're not getting saddled with another crap contract.

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08-13-2012, 03:37 PM
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3 Trades to turn the Leafs into a contender?

Carey Price for a conditional draft pick
Stamkos for a conditional draft pick
Anze Kopitar for a conditional draft pick

Didn't mention anywhere that they had to be realistic.

Also we'd have to somehow get rid of Connolly, Lombardi and Grabovski to make cap room.

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Still no #1 C or #1 D... yea, doesn't look good to me.

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08-13-2012, 03:38 PM
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Leafs don't need to make any of these moves. Gotta love Toronto trade proposal threads started by non-Leafs fans.

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08-13-2012, 03:42 PM
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I agree that the first 2 are underpayment unless Toronto's 1st is a lotto pick (quite likely imho)...but on the 3rd I think that's a great return for Vancouver if they're not getting saddled with another crap contract.
I agree that Lupul for Luongo would be a good deal for Vancouver. Sounds like most are in agreement that trade #2 would not happen. So Toronoto would then replace their hole in net for a hole on wing.

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Feaster would rather draft another Jankowski, the kid that will be the best player out of the draft. (Skip to 5:50)
Not sure if this is a
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or a
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It's maybe a
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Or no, wait! It's a
"Never saw Jankowski play, but he's young and was picked by Calgary, so he HAS to be terrible! HURR DURR HURR!" post.

Seriously guys.
Feaster went off the boards with that pick, agreed. But it's not a terrible one. You (hfboards) are acting like he picked a young George Parros 1st overall.

You can say about Feaster whatever you want, but saying that he would skip over MacKinnon or even Jones is just... trolling?

Anyway, BTT:
Deal one will most likely not happen.
Deal two will definitely not happen.
Deal three would happen, but I'd definitely not do it as TML's GM.

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08-13-2012, 03:48 PM
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Leafs shouldn't deal away their 1st. Especially for Bouwmeester. Remember when Calgary had Phaneuf-Bouwmeester and everyone lauded them for having the best defensive core in hockey (with Reghier as well). Is that the magic you're trying to create? Leafs are a rebuilding club which Burke seemed to finally accept by not overpaying mediocre players in free agency for once. Home grow your team then go after free agents like Getzlaf if you rise to be a playoff team next year or someone else down the line if not.

No way the Ducks do that trade for Bobby Ryan.

Luongo trade might be good and would probably be in Toronto's interest. However realize you're filling one hole to create another. You go back to having nobody to play with Kessel on the first line and that line's offense will slip a lot. Finally getting a Goalie is probably in Toronto's interest more than a top line Winger though.

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08-13-2012, 03:51 PM
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Bouwmeester probably costs more than that, and we don't need him anyway.

Why do we trade all that for Ryan, and then trade away Lupul (in a deal that is WAY too much for Luongo), who is just as good if not better and a better fit.

We trade our goalie, defenseman, and winger, for a goalie, defenseman and winger, who cumulatively aren't much better, if at all, and give up our 1st round pick, and other picks and prospects.

Makes no sense.
Bobby Ryan is 25 and has 4 straight 30 goal seasons. He's closer to Kessel's level than Lupul is to him. Remember Lupul in Anaheim? He couldn't find ice time behind Perry, Ryan, and Selanne on the wings already.

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Those trades do not make Toronto a "legit eastern threat." Not. At. All.

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Anaheim laughs at Toronto
Maybe a different choice of words would be a little more appropriate. Toronto got Joffrey Lupul and Jake Gardiner for a guy the Ducks had ownership of until they left him unrestricted and free to test the FA waters. Is Toronto laughing at Anaheim? On a scale of 1-10, how awful was Anaheim in managing those assets?

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