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08-13-2012, 03:07 PM
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Couturier was not available as part of a package for Shea Weber, Rick Nash, or Bobby Ryan. What makes you think he'll suddenly be available for Bouwmeester?

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The Flyers should just sign Coli and get it over with already.
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08-13-2012, 03:10 PM
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How good does this forward lineup look?

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Simmonds-Schenn-Briere
Fedotenko-Talbot-Read
Wellwood-Holmstrom-Rinaldo

That looks extremely average to me.
We still have one of the top offenses in the league man.

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Couturier was not available as part of a package for Shea Weber, Rick Nash, or Bobby Ryan. What makes you think he'll suddenly be available for Bouwmeester?
Couturier + Schenn were not available for Weber. Because their need for a top-pairing defenceman is far greater than their need for a top-six forward.

Just look at that defence.

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08-13-2012, 03:15 PM
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Because their need for a top-pairing defenceman is far greater than their need for a top-six forward.

Just look at that defence.
Shea Weber is a defenseman.

And J-Bo is a top pairing D-Man, but not a cornerstone to a defense. Couturier doesn't get traded any time soon unless the return is a cornerstone guy.

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08-13-2012, 03:16 PM
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Bouwmeester is by no means a superstar, nor is he worth his salary, but I can't see the Flames dealing him unless there is overpayment from the other team.

By dealing Bouwmeester the Flames would essentially be giving up on this season in my opinion - not that their chances are great even with him, but losing him would really hurt them. They don't have anyone who can replace the quality minutes they'd be losing. Wideman is an offensive upgrade but a defensive downgrade. At even strength I'd rather have Bouwmeester.

I really can't see a deal happening unless another team is really desperate.

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When did this turn into a jbo to philly thread?? Flyers like to have their face all over everything, I am starting to feel as though holmgren is more bullheaded than brian burke! Yikes!!

So back to topic of thread, what would calgary want from nashville or stlouis??

predators could offer a lot of prospects which it seems flames want I also think weber could whip jbo back into an allstar defenseman!

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When did this turn into a jbo to philly thread?? Flyers like to have their face all over everything, I am starting to feel as though holmgren is more bullheaded than brian burke! Yikes!!
What does Holmgren have to do with a HFB thread? The link at the top of the thread does nothing more then speculate that the Flyers might be interested due to injuries.

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So back to topic of thread, what would calgary want from nashville or stlouis??
I'm not sure what it would take from Nashville (Legwand, Blum, + 1st?) but from St. Louis it would definitely take Berglund + .

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Couturier + Schenn were not available for Weber. Because their need for a top-pairing defenceman is far greater than their need for a top-six forward.

Just look at that defence.
Just look at the team as a whole. Miles ahead of the Flames for the present and future. Bouwmeester would be nice to have but he has nowhere near the value of Couturier.

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08-13-2012, 03:30 PM
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When did this turn into a jbo to philly thread?? Flyers like to have their face all over everything, I am starting to feel as though holmgren is more bullheaded than brian burke! Yikes!!

So back to topic of thread, what would calgary want from nashville or stlouis??

predators could offer a lot of prospects which it seems flames want I also think weber could whip jbo back into an allstar defenseman!
Did you not read the title?

'Flyers 'step up' offer for Bouwmeester'

That's why it's a jbo to philly thread.

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I'm not sure what it would take from Nashville (Legwand, Blum, + 1st?) but from St. Louis it would definitely take Berglund + .
Holy hell, id do that.

Overpayment from Nashville for sure...

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from St. Louis it would definitely take Berglund + .
Ah well, thankfully this prices St. Louis out of the race.
Good talk, I think we can go ahead and remove the word "Blues" from the title.

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Just look at the team as a whole. Miles ahead of the Flames for the present and future.
Flames have the better goaltender and defencemen, Flyers have the better forwards. Plus we have Baertschi, Gaudreau, Jankowski, etc. in the pipeline.

I would hardly call that "miles ahead."

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We still have one of the top offenses in the league man.
Right now we do, yes. But what makes it so is our ability to toss out three balanced lines that can create chances.

You lose Couturier or Schenn and suddenly that third line isnt so pretty anymore. Talbot should be no where near the #3C role. I'm okay with having one of Wellwood or Fedotenko play on the third line, but if you have Fedotenko and Talbot on a line, it's starting to look more like a fourth line than a third.

We cant afford to be dropping any more depth.

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Looks like Flyers and Flames are just not good trade partners right now. Flames want Couturier and Flyers want Bouwmeester without giving up assets. Neither of those are happening so, looks like Flyers will have to find a D from somewhere else.

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When did this turn into a jbo to philly thread?? Flyers like to have their face all over everything, I am starting to feel as though holmgren is more bullheaded than brian burke! Yikes!!
Lots of fans (for some reason) check out that site hockeybuzz.com. The Flyers are always the team in the rumor mill there. I think its based out of Philly though.

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Ah well, thankfully this prices St. Louis out of the race.
Good talk, I think we can go ahead and remove the word "Blues" from the title.
Don't pay attention to him.. Listen to the multiple reporters who reported that Feaster was looking for a 1st and a prospect for Bouwmeester.

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What does Holmgren have to do with a HFB thread? The link at the top of the thread does nothing more then speculate that the Flyers might be interested due to injuries.
I agree, but it also says blues and predators interested just want to hear more about what they would offer as the philly offers are getting a little overkill especially cuz they don't want to give up any quality.

Holmgren has had his nose in on everyone it seems this off season and has done nothing just get tired of every guy on the block bring rumored to philly and would like to know what it would take from nashville or blues or even wings for that matter as they have been mentioned in this

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Ah well, thankfully this prices St. Louis out of the race.
Good talk, I think we can go ahead and remove the word "Blues" from the title.
See ya.

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I agree, but it also says blues and predators interested just want to hear more about what they would offer as the philly offers are getting a little overkill especially cuz they don't want to give up any quality.
Agreed.

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Holmgren has had his nose in on everyone it seems this off season and has done nothing just get tired of every guy on the block bring rumored to philly and would like to know what it would take from nashville or blues or even wings for that matter as they have been mentioned in this
Holmgren made a hail mary play for Parise/Suter then had the much discussed Weber offer sheet. Outside of that, they haven't been in on much of anything.

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Agreed.



Holmgren made a hail mary play for Parise/Suter then had the much discussed Weber offer sheet. Outside of that, they haven't been in on much of anything.
He also sniffed around on Bobby Ryan and Rick Nash.

Let's be honest, if there's a big name available, it's highly unlikely that Holmgren is far away.

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Don't pay attention to him.. Listen to the multiple reporters who reported that Feaster was looking for a 1st and a prospect for Bouwmeester.
You clearly need to read the articles in the OP again.

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They’d also be crazy to give him away without a quality return. The Flames don’t need to trade him, and they shouldn’t unless the Wings — or some other squad — present a package that makes sense. Addition by subtraction doesn’t apply here.
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And unless the Flames can become a better team by trading him away, they should keep him.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20088051.html

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Don't pay attention to him.. Listen to the multiple reporters who reported that Feaster was looking for a 1st and a prospect for Bouwmeester.
Define a first and a prospect. The first could have been a top 10 pick. The prospect could be any player that has not yet played a full season in the NHL. It could have been a sliding combination of both where the pick moves lower based on the prospect included or the expectation of the prospect moves lower with a high pick. So by rights Feaster could have meant a top 10 pick and a good prospect, or a late first round pick and a bluechip player on the verge. So as an example, it could have been to Pittsburgh for the number 9 pick and Brian Dumoulin or it could have been the number 20 pick and Brayden Schenn. See how a first and a prospect works? Both would be substantial pieces moving forward.

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