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08-13-2012, 05:08 PM
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You do realize Krog was a Hobey Baker winner?

Its not exactly like he was some scrub, a lot of really talented players that go the college route just dont get drafted... Rich Peverley, MSL, etc.

Im not trolling, you are acting like Krog is a bum, which is just pretty ignorant to the facts aha. And like I said Krog's numbers were even better than Kadri's
Ok so under your criteria dougie hamilton is the next aki berg? Come on man get a grip kadri could bust as a prospect just as easily as he could be an impact top 6 forward and the reason I know your trolling is cause your only looking at it as if he is a bust and comparing him to krog. Its awsome though that your so good at trolling that you yourself dont even know your doing it lmfao.

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Lupul and Biggs for Stasny. I'm not a Avs fan or Leafs fan, but I know that if the Avs want to trade Stasny, it would have to be an upgrade from what they already have. Leafs can remove Biggs from the deal though of they feel that it's necessary since I know that you guys are high on Lupul.
We aren't trading Biggs. It would require an overpayment for us to consider moving him.

I would consider a Lupul for Stastny swap because the Leafs need a #1 C, but I don't see why the Leafs have to add in this deal. Lupul has a more cap friendly contract and he is coming off a much more productive season then Stastny. I think it's a pretty even swap at this point, Leafs might have to add a bit but definitely not someone like Biggs.

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Grabovski + MacArthur + Colborne for an upgrade on Grabs(size and production).

(19 min) JVR Bozak Kessel
(19 min) Lupul _______ Kulemin
(14 min) D'Amigo McClemment Frattin
(08 min) Lombardi Steckel Brown
Komarov

(23 min) Gunnarsson Phaneuf
(20 min) Liles Franson
(17 min) Gardiner Komisarek
Holzer

Reimer
Scrivens
So the Leafs want an upgrade at C so they package together some players and hope another team is interested in downgrading at C? If a team is looking to move a top 6 centre, it's 1 of 4 reasons -

1) They have depth their already and are looking to upgrade somewhere else.
2) Locker room/personality/behavioural issues
3) A team is looking to rebuild and are willing to move a top 6 C for high draft picks and/or blue chip prospects.
4) Cap issues - requiring young inexpensive players and picks as to not add salary.

Right now I would say the only team that would fit into category #1 is SJ and Boston.

SJ currently have JT, Pavelski, Marleau and Couture as capable top 6 C's and a lack of playoff success the Sharks may consider a shake up and be willing to move 1 of their top 6 C's. I'd think Couture is not available, Marleau has a NMC and seems to really want to be in SJ so I think he's out. That Leaves Thorton and Pavelski. If the Sharks did move one of their Joe's I would think they would be looking for an equally valued winger coming back. So the players listed in the OP wouldn't be what they would be looking for.

The B's have Bergeron, Krejci and Seguin as top 6 C's. Bergy and Seguin would be unavailable so that means Krejci would be the only available C. Boston would probably be looking for a legit top 6 winger (not MacA) or an equally valuable Dman.

I don't know of any players that fit into category 2 so I can't comment on any available players as a result of "issues".

I will categorize CBJ, TB, Calgary, Montreal and the NY Is as the teams that fit into category 3. Of those teams the only C's that would be an upgrade and may be available would be Lecavalier, Plekanec and maybe Brassard. Of those 3 Brassard is not really an upgrade, Lecavalier has been the face of the Lightning franchise and is signed to a billion dollars over the next 3 centuries so that leaves Plekanec as the only real viable option. I'm not sure that Montreal and Toronto would want to do business together, and if they do I'm sure the Habs don't want Grabo (been there, done that), MacA isn't a top 6 upgrade, so the Habs would be looking for young NHL players at almost any position except goal.

Category 4 might include the Bruins (see above), Wild (they really only have 1 top 6 C who isn't available), Vancouver (neither Kesler or Sedin are available), Calgary (they don't have an upgrade to what the Leafs already have), Philly (just traded Carter and Richards - I doubt they're looking to move another C just yet, Briere maybe for a young top 4 D man with top pairing potential), Sharks (see above).

So basically I'm thinking in order to get a top 6 C, the Leafs will need to offer different players then what the OP had listed or a deal probably wouldn't get done.

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Ok so under your criteria dougie hamilton is the next aki berg? Come on man get a grip kadri could bust as a prospect just as easily as he could be an impact top 6 forward and the reason I know your trolling is cause your only looking at it as if he is a bust and comparing him to krog. Its awsome though that your so good at trolling that you yourself dont even know your doing it lmfao.
What?

You are being ridiculous... I am basing it off his stints in the NHL so far. You can give him the benefit of the doubt in that he may pick up the slack but he has been very good in the AHL but pretty underwhelming in the NHL, and that situation reminds me a lot of Jason Krog...

Im not saying he is going to continue to underwhelm but if I had to bet I would bet on that. Im not saying he couldn't end up good, but I am not so high on him yet... Krog put up much better numbers than Kadri, yet you act like using them in the same sentence is a sin.

And what exactly is my criteria? And why does every argument with a Leaf fan always bring up Hamilton... He has done nothing to make anyone believe he would underwhelm at the professional level. He had more impressive stats in juniors than Kadri (similar points yet one is a defenseman) and has not had any stint on the big club yet so why don't you save your judgements until he actually does...

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08-13-2012, 08:26 PM
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So the Leafs want an upgrade at C so they package together some players and hope another team is interested in downgrading at C? If a team is looking to move a top 6 centre, it's 1 of 4 reasons -

1) They have depth their already and are looking to upgrade somewhere else.
2) Locker room/personality/behavioural issues
3) A team is looking to rebuild and are willing to move a top 6 C for high draft picks and/or blue chip prospects.
4) Cap issues - requiring young inexpensive players and picks as to not add salary.

Right now I would say the only team that would fit into category #1 is SJ and Boston.

SJ currently have JT, Pavelski, Marleau and Couture as capable top 6 C's and a lack of playoff success the Sharks may consider a shake up and be willing to move 1 of their top 6 C's. I'd think Couture is not available, Marleau has a NMC and seems to really want to be in SJ so I think he's out. That Leaves Thorton and Pavelski. If the Sharks did move one of their Joe's I would think they would be looking for an equally valued winger coming back. So the players listed in the OP wouldn't be what they would be looking for.

The B's have Bergeron, Krejci and Seguin as top 6 C's. Bergy and Seguin would be unavailable so that means Krejci would be the only available C. Boston would probably be looking for a legit top 6 winger (not MacA) or an equally valuable Dman.

I don't know of any players that fit into category 2 so I can't comment on any available players as a result of "issues".

I will categorize CBJ, TB, Calgary, Montreal and the NY Is as the teams that fit into category 3. Of those teams the only C's that would be an upgrade and may be available would be Lecavalier, Plekanec and maybe Brassard. Of those 3 Brassard is not really an upgrade, Lecavalier has been the face of the Lightning franchise and is signed to a billion dollars over the next 3 centuries so that leaves Plekanec as the only real viable option. I'm not sure that Montreal and Toronto would want to do business together, and if they do I'm sure the Habs don't want Grabo (been there, done that), MacA isn't a top 6 upgrade, so the Habs would be looking for young NHL players at almost any position except goal.

Category 4 might include the Bruins (see above), Wild (they really only have 1 top 6 C who isn't available), Vancouver (neither Kesler or Sedin are available), Calgary (they don't have an upgrade to what the Leafs already have), Philly (just traded Carter and Richards - I doubt they're looking to move another C just yet, Briere maybe for a young top 4 D man with top pairing potential), Sharks (see above).

So basically I'm thinking in order to get a top 6 C, the Leafs will need to offer different players then what the OP had listed or a deal probably wouldn't get done.
Well done sir. Boston has little cap troubles and was hardly a scoring machine in the playoffs, so why trade an offensive center inter-division unless you need to. If SJ was trading anyone it would be Pavelski id think and he's not a true #1C at all.

Unless they snag Luongo for cheap the Leafs could be going nowhere in a hurry.

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08-13-2012, 08:37 PM
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Grabovski + MacArthur + Colborne for an upgrade on Grabs(size and production).

(19 min) JVR Bozak Kessel
(19 min) Lupul _______ Kulemin
(14 min) D'Amigo McClemment Frattin
(08 min) Lombardi Steckel Brown
Komarov

(23 min) Gunnarsson Phaneuf
(20 min) Liles Franson
(17 min) Gardiner Komisarek
Holzer

Reimer
Scrivens
Whats wrong with you? You still want Bozak as our #1C and you want one of our best player who actually shows up to every game traded to fill his own spot? Bozak better be no where near our top 6 again let alone top 3. Any filler can get 30-40 points playing 1st line minutes. Grabo is only traded to improve our position not to fill the same need.

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To Ottawa:Grabovski
Colbourne
2nd 2013

To Toronto:Jason Spezza
4th 2014





To Winnipeg:Grabovski

To Toronto:Antropov


To Tampa:Colbourne
1st 2013

To Toronto:Lacavalier
Jesus man, the Ottawa and Tampa deals could be the two worst proposals that have ever been on hf.

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Whats wrong with you? You still want Bozak as our #1C and you want one of our best player who actually shows up to every game traded to fill his own spot? Bozak better be no where near our top 6 again let alone top 3. Any filler can get 30-40 points playing 1st line minutes. Grabo is only traded to improve our position not to fill the same need.
Too bad Connolly, Lombardi, couldn't get inflated numbers.

If you can get a cheap center to make Lupul and Kessel PPG players, wouldn't you do it?

Especially if said center has chemistry with other wingers on the team when you need to switch things up. And said center is a RH center specialist(something your team lacks).

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I can't seem to understand one thing. How come no fan ever has Kadri in their starting lineup. He can't be that bad.
I do. A lot. With the circumstances though,

(20 min) Lupul-(Upgrade from the trade)-Kessel
(18 min) JVR-Kadri-Frattin
(18 min) Kulemin-Bozak-(Prospect/Veteran)
(4 min) Lombardi-McClement-Brown
Komarov

(22 min) Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
(19 min) Gardiner-Holzer
(19 min) Liles- Komisarek
Franson

(51 games) Optimus Reim
(31 games) Scrivezina

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And what exactly is my criteria? And why does every argument with a Leaf fan always bring up Hamilton... He has done nothing to make anyone believe he would underwhelm at the professional level.
In the Canada vs Russia 4 game series, he has been pretty terrible, while Rielly is doing great. And yes, I know it is not deciding his future, just nice to seem like it wasn't a loss of a trade for a bit.

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Grabovski + MacArthur + Colborne for an upgrade on Grabs(size and production).

(19 min) JVR Bozak Kessel
(19 min) Lupul _______ Kulemin
(14 min) D'Amigo McClemment Frattin
(08 min) Lombardi Steckel Brown
Komarov

(23 min) Gunnarsson Phaneuf
(20 min) Liles Franson
(17 min) Gardiner Komisarek
Holzer

Reimer
Scrivens
Do you even watch the Leafs at all?

Why have you split up Lupul from Kessel when they have shown great chemistry together?

How has Franson passed Gardiner on the depth chart?

Why would Toronto trade our already very productive #2C for a different #2C, while keeping Bozak as our top C?

TL;DR - I am glad you are not Brian Burke.

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I would hate to trade grabo. Unless it was part of something for someone like getzlaf.
My xbox trade is
getzlaf + smith-pelly
for
grabo kule gunner d'amigo pick

lupul getz kessel
jvr kadri smith-pelly
mac bozak frattin
mcclement steckel brown

then we just need to offersheet subban..
yea ive been drinking:beer:

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No need to drink the bong water buddy.
I literally laughed out loud, so much so the wife asked me what was so funny... How to explain, lol

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im lost...

we need a upgrade over bozak not grabo....

we need a 1C..

i can tell your a new fan by your lines

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Too bad Connolly, Lombardi, couldn't get inflated numbers.

If you can get a cheap center to make Lupul and Kessel PPG players, wouldn't you do it?

Especially if said center has chemistry with other wingers on the team when you need to switch things up. And said center is a RH center specialist(something your team lacks).
Connolly and Lombardi can get 30-40 points with Kessel and Lupul any MEDIOCRE player can get that much production Bozak doesn't make his line mates better they make him better. The Bozak love has to go he is a soft player that won't crack many teams 3rd line let alone the 1st. Why do you think all the media, fans and GM of the team are saying that we need to upgrade on 1C? Well anyways i commented enough on this topic and hope some fans such as your self get it together a little bit more and see what the actual needs are rather than making a trade for the heck of it.

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Grabovski + MacArthur + Colborne for an upgrade on Grabs(size and production).

(19 min) JVR Bozak Kessel
(19 min) Lupul _______ Kulemin
(14 min) D'Amigo McClemment Frattin
(08 min) Lombardi Steckel Brown
Komarov

(23 min) Gunnarsson Phaneuf
(20 min) Liles Franson
(17 min) Gardiner Komisarek
Holzer

Reimer
Scrivens
Wow! Really? I don't see any point to get rid of Grabovski. He's a great #2 centre, and I don't see the point to get rid of Colborne, who is arguably our #1 prospect. And to throw in MacArthur too, i know I would like someone awfully good in return.

On a side note, D'Amigo makes the team but Kadri doesn't?? And also JVR the #1 centre. Before anyone tries to tell me no, that's what the Leafs are doing. Oh yeah, where's Connolly in that lineup? Did he not make the team?

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For those that don't want to squeak into the playoffs, I introduce you to the 2011/2012 LA Kings.
The Kings might have squeaked into the playoffs and ended up winning it all from the 8th seed. That doesn't mean it's likely to change for every team. A lot of people seem to forget that many people in the media predicted the Kings to be in the Stanley Cup finals at the beginning of the 11-12 season. They struggled until the trade deadline to score goals, they got their coach fired. But the talent was still there on paper. They weren't a typical 8th seed. If the Leafs go out and get a 2nd line center, are people going to be predicting they're the ones coming out of the East this year?

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The Kings might have squeaked into the playoffs and ended up winning it all from the 8th seed. That doesn't mean it's likely to change for every team. A lot of people seem to forget that many people in the media predicted the Kings to be in the Stanley Cup finals at the beginning of the 11-12 season. They struggled until the trade deadline to score goals, they got their coach fired. But the talent was still there on paper. They weren't a typical 8th seed. If the Leafs go out and get a 2nd line center, are people going to be predicting they're the ones coming out of the East this year?
They need a first line center. Without one, they probably don't come out of the East. But the Kings had arguably 3 first line caliber centers in Kopitar, Richards, and Carter. The Leafs have none. So they probably would be out in the first round, but you never know. More and more lower seeded teams are going far in the playoffs in recent years. Just a couple of years ago if I remember correctly, all 4 of the lowest seeded teams in the East playoffs went to the second round and the 7 and 8 seeds went to the conference final. Its like Gretzky said, 'you miss 100% of the shots that you don't take' . The Senators didn't tank out of the playoffs because they weren't a Cup contender last year. You have to learn to win. You have to take the step to make the playoffs before you can become a Cup contender. You won't go from rebuild to Cup favourite just like that, its a step by step process.

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Lupul and Biggs for Stasny. I'm not a Avs fan or Leafs fan, but I know that if the Avs want to trade Stasny, it would have to be an upgrade from what they already have. Leafs can remove Biggs from the deal though of they feel that it's necessary since I know that you guys are high on Lupul.
There is not a deal around Lupul for Stastny, its Kessel or nothing (I know its nothing to leaf fans)

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What's wrong wit Tim Connolly has a #2 center ???

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What's wrong wit Tim Connolly has a #2 center ???
Connolly plays an average of 12 games per year?

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If you noticed some of the threads I posted in you may get where I'm going with this....

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You are being ridiculous... I am basing it off his stints in the NHL so far. You can give him the benefit of the doubt in that he may pick up the slack but he has been very good in the AHL but pretty underwhelming in the NHL, and that situation reminds me a lot of Jason Krog...
When Jason Krog was 20/21 he was a rookie for New Hampshire in the NCAA. He didn't even start playing in the AHL until the he was in his mid 20's. The situations are not even remotely similar.

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There is not a deal around Lupul for Stastny, its Kessel or nothing (I know its nothing to leaf fans)
Colorado would have to add some fairly significant pieces to Stastny to get Kessel, they aren't comparable in value at all.

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