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Problem is Lupul won't land the Leafs a #1 C, and Leafs fans won't trade Lupul for a #1 goalie. And as others have stated, trading him would fill another hole. Doesn't seem like he is a wise asset to be trading unless he was part of some fantasy-leagues type trade where mulitple pieces were heading each way.
Doesn't have to be an elite #1 C. And it can be Lupul + for a #1 C.
2 examples of #1 C's we can acquire using Lupul + or just Lupul are David Krejci and Paul Stastny. There are other C's out there I am just giving an example. Fans of other teams cried that they didn't want the likes of Macarthur, Franson, Bozak etc for their players so I thought I would offer up Lupul instead and see what they said.
Nonsense. Ryan had an "off" year whereas Lupul had a "career" year. The funny part is their numbers were comparable. This doesn't change the fact that Ryan is 4 years younger, has shown to be a lot more consistent, and isn't a defensive liability.
Yeah... because like I said Lupul has been hurt basically his entire career. How easily people forget he was a 7th overall pick and a key piece in the Pronger (in his prime) trade (twice). Ryan is no better defensively than Lupul... to suggest either is anything to write home about defensively is laughable and to try and say your poop smells worse than my poop is also ridiculous.
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To be fair half of that list is players from toronto... so i think its a team thing!
And anyone who would take lupul over ryan is brain dead.
After next season we will know closer to what we have in Lupul; possibly a ppg forward, an inconsistent forward, or an injury-prone forward....
After next season we can gauge his value a lot better.... As of right now, I'd be down for a Lupul - Krejci deal with sweeteners from either side to even it out.
JVR - Krejci - Kessel
Kadri - Grabo - Kuli
or
Kadri - Krejci - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - Kuli
A stronger line-up then our current one IMO
(Not sure how most Boston fans feel about it, but I remember there being talks of a deal centered around these two before)
Yeah... because like I said Lupul has been hurt basically his entire career. How easily people forget he was a 7th overall pick and a key piece in the Pronger (in his prime) trade (twice). Ryan is no better defensively than Lupul... to suggest either is anything to write home about defensively is laughable and to try and say your poop smells worse than my poop is also ridiculous.
I don't think anyone has said as much
Your right on last part my mistake.
To say ryan is no better defensively than lupul is wrong tho, ryan is pretty dependable defensively, he was +1 last season on a terrible ducks team. And +37 for a career where hes played on sub par defensive teams.
To say ryan is no better defensively than lupul is wrong tho, ryan is pretty dependable defensively, he was +1 last season on a terrible ducks team. And +37 for a career where hes played on sub par defensive teams.
I guess your right, Lupul had a terrible +/- last year of..... +1 on a team with a worse GF/GA ratio then Anaheim.
And yes, his +/- over his career hasn't been so good, but after dealing with a very bad oilers team and a severe injury... I don't expect his past +/- to be comparable to what it is/should be now...
To say ryan is no better defensively than lupul is wrong tho, ryan is pretty dependable defensively, he was +1 last season on a terrible ducks team. And +37 for a career where hes played on sub par defensive teams.
Lupul was a +1 and 5th on the Leafs last year in +/- and 2 of the players in front of him didn't play 25 games (Kadri and Colborne).
The actual +/- stat is useless other than comparing teammates imo.
If you're adding a #1 center it's for more than just Lupul and you better hope JVR scores more than 40 points or you're now stuck with 2/3 of a 1st line again.
No he's not... Vancouver is dreaming they can acquire anything close to Lupul for Luongo. They'd have to add something very significant for the Leafs to take on that atrocity of a contract.
No he's not... Vancouver is dreaming they can acquire anything close to Lupul for Luongo. They'd have to add something very significant for the Leafs to take on that atrocity of a contract.
How is it an atrocity. Explain this to me. It's long? So what. It costs money...again...so that? Real world dollars mean nothing to a team like Toronto. In fact he'll make the team money in jersey sales and playoff games. His age bother you? Your best goalie to date was Carmen Eddie at the young age of 37.
If there comes a time where he can't perform, you waive him. He's got a NTC but no NMC.
Lupul however has a past with injuries, and has had one breakout season of 67pts...which could very well be a product of playing with Phil "the Thrill" Kessel.
Will it be a huge +? No. 2nd or 3rd probably. But to try and say that Luongo has less value then Lupul is ridiculous.
If he got put on the block, the Kings would be very interested. Not sure what they would deal to get him, but putting him on a line with Richards and Carter would be incentive enough.
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His value will be substantially higher if he repeats his previous year for even half a season. His legitimization would then make him a true valuable piece but for now his production seems a little too idiosyncratic
If he got put on the block, the Kings would be very interested. Not sure what they would deal to get him, but putting him on a line with Richards and Carter would be incentive enough.
Lupul for Luongo works. Not overpayment, lupul isn't a proven PPG player, and it luongo's contract isn't that bad, considering he posts similar stats to rinne. He will push toronto to the playoffs, and the canucks with some free cap space for later on.
Lupul for Luongo works. Not overpayment, lupul isn't a proven PPG player, and it luongo's contract isn't that bad, considering he posts similar stats to rinne. He will push toronto to the playoffs, and the canucks with some free cap space for later on.
Theres a reason Lou hasnt been traded yet, because Gillis hasnt gotten what he wants. So lets assume he wants a player like lupul who is a 50-60 pt winger. Why hasnt he been traded yet because nobody will pay it. Now if no one will pay it in the summer no one is gonna pay it at the begining of the season when gillis would most like to unload the contract. Think less then Lupul and more like macarthur,franson and lombardi.
Well the Ducks used him as a salary dump because of his injuries... he was regarded as a top prospect, had numerous injuries and then finally broke out last season (but still missed significant time with an unrelated injury). The only reason a GM would be wary about paying a premium for Lupul is the injuries... which is a legitimate concern.
He was a top prospect almost a decade ago. He's almost thirty.
Theres a reason Lou hasnt been traded yet, because Gillis hasnt gotten what he wants. So lets assume he wants a player like lupul who is a 50-60 pt winger. Why hasnt he been traded yet because nobody will pay it. Now if no one will pay it in the summer no one is gonna pay it at the begining of the season when gillis would most like to unload the contract. Think less then Lupul and more like macarthur,franson and lombardi.
Honestly I would be happy with lupul for luongo. I think we could be a 7th or 8th place team if that deal was done.
Keep him for now, his value is just not there yet. A career of injuries and underwhelming production isn't entirely remedied by (most of) one season of great play. To hurt his value even more, he's a UFA at the end of this season.
Anyone that actively wants to trade Lupul right now must be really concerned that he can't keep it up and don't believe he can become a perennial 30 goal scorer.
...Or the much more likely scenario where it's August and we all miss hockey.
