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08-14-2012, 05:45 PM
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Martin, Pouliot, Bennett, 1st.

And my right leg.

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Anything involving Sutter might as well not be posted because it's a non-possibility.

Shero is not going to create a big gap in one part of the team to fill a gap in another part. Especially if the gap he creates is with the primary asset he got for Jordan Staal. It's a total non-starter, even for the hypotheticals this board gets into. Also, I don't think Sutter + early pick + blue chip (or + Martin) would interest ANA that much either. They want a C with more offensive upside than Sutter has.

The only conceivable way we'd get him is by overpaying with wings and D (both starting D and blue chippers), unless we do what was suggested above, and trade Martin + for a decent offensive C, then flip the C with other D assets for Ryan.
I'll take a third line gap over a 1st line gap any day of the week. Its easier to plug up and easier to trade for.

Don't get me wrong I like Sutter and being 3 deep but Bobby Ryan is just to good. It would be crazy to not take a shot.

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08-14-2012, 07:15 PM
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In order for the Pens to get Ryan, this is what would need to be offered:

Sutter (could definitely be a #2C somewhere else and this is the key thing the Ducks want)
Morrow or Despres (A top tier prospect - likely would want Morrow)
Pouliot, Bennett, or a 2013 #1 pick as another piece

That said, with Ryan's comments about wanting to play in Philly, I don't think I would make a trade to get him. He could leave when he's a UFA and we're out key components.

I like Ryan but I don't like him that much to risk multiple key organizational assets to get him if he's already talking about going to Philly. If he becomes a UFA, make a pitch, you lose nothing.

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08-14-2012, 07:22 PM
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That said, with Ryan's comments about wanting to play in Philly, I don't think I would make a trade to get him. He could leave when he's a UFA and we're out key components.

I like Ryan but I don't like him that much to risk multiple key organizational assets to get him if he's already talking about going to Philly. If he becomes a UFA, make a pitch, you lose nothing.
granted i've never read the much publicized Philly comments with much scrutiny but i was always under the impression that Philly was the premier destination for Ryan because he wanted to be close to where he grew up and not so much a commitment to that particular team - meaning Philly would be best, but NJ/DC/PIT would be fine as well as they aren't toooooo far from home. but i could be completely off-base and his heart bleeds Cheez-It orange.

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Bobby Ryan

Paul Martin, Beau Bennett

Sam Gagner, Simon Despres, PIT 2013 First Round Pick

Total shot in the dark here

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We've been over this ad nauseam. Bobby Ryan never, ever said Philly was his top choice or anything of the sort. Someone approached him about trade rumors, and THAT person brought up Philly (and Philly only) saying that the Flyers were interested. Ryan responded that they would be a good fit. Nothing more. If someone brought up the Penguins, I'm sure he'd have said the exact same thing.

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Total shot in the dark here
can't see Samwise Gagner being worth Paul Egg-Train Martin and Beau Dangles Bennett. also can't see the Ducks wanted him, no matter how bad they want a 2C.

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08-14-2012, 08:18 PM
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We've been over this ad nauseam. Bobby Ryan never, ever said Philly was his top choice or anything of the sort. Someone approached him about trade rumors, and THAT person brought up Philly (and Philly only) saying that the Flyers were interested. Ryan responded that they would be a good fit. Nothing more. If someone brought up the Penguins, I'm sure he'd have said the exact same thing.
Even so it would cost a **** load to get him. There's no way the Ducks do this deal without Sutter and one of Morrow/Despres + coming back to them IMO. Someone else would easily overpay the usual Paul Martin + Kennedy offerings.

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08-14-2012, 08:45 PM
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To Pittsburgh: Bobby Ryan

To Anaheim: Jordan Sta- ****. I'm out.

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08-14-2012, 08:59 PM
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Even so it would cost a **** load to get him. There's no way the Ducks do this deal without Sutter and one of Morrow/Despres + coming back to them IMO. Someone else would easily overpay the usual Paul Martin + Kennedy offerings.
Morrow and Despres are promising, but if you or anyone else wouldn't jump at the opportunity to trade them as a package to land Ryan, I don't know what to say. He's a lock for 30 goals, and on Sid's wing and on the left wall of our PP, he'd probably be closer to a lock for 40-45.

But I agree, we probably don't have what it takes to get him.

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08-14-2012, 09:30 PM
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Morrow and Despres are promising, but if you or anyone else wouldn't jump at the opportunity to trade them as a package to land Ryan, I don't know what to say. He's a lock for 30 goals, and on Sid's wing and on the left wall of our PP, he'd probably be closer to a lock for 40-45.

But I agree, we probably don't have what it takes to get him.
I don't think you are getting my point. I would love to have Ryan but at what cost?

The Ducks just aren't going to hand him over to us for the likes of Martin and Kennedy. They want a second line center. If they don't get one from us, they aren't going to make a deal with us. Simple as that. They have 29 other teams to negotiate with.

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I really don't think we have the assets to make even a James Neal type trade at this moment in time. We really can't afford to subtract from our forward depth to add a forward and our best defensive assets while promising to be sure are certainly not developed enough to return a top 6 fwd. However, if a few of Morrow, Depres, Dumo etc. do get some NHL time over the next couple seasons and prove their worth, we could potentially really be able to swing that Kunitz/Neal type deal again in a year or two.


This is all assuming of course that some GM isn't stupid enough to massively overpay for a TK and/or Martin package with a 1st for say a 25-30 goal proven winger who could see the sort of 10+ goal bump that Neal got with Malkin.

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Didn't the Ducks just have Schultz bail on them to EDM? It would be an oppty for them to maybe get 2 really good young defensemen in place of Schultz. Have to overpay to get a guy like Ryan. What about Harrington, Matta, Bennett, 1st round pick for Ryan.

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08-14-2012, 10:11 PM
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They'd ask for Sutter+Despres+1st.

We're not trading Sutter.

They laugh at our counter proposal.

End negotiations.
Gets it done. I wouldn't do it. Certainly don't think Shero would either.

(edit okay... Maybe I would do it. Can't say Ryan on Sid's wing wouldn't be amazing to watch.. )

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You give us Bobby Ryan and...

We won't laugh at your team being named after a Disney movie







Done and done.

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Kunitz, Despres, 2nd
or
Sutter, Despres and a 4th
YES PERFECT, fill one hole in the top 6 all while creating another hole in the top 6... BRILLIANT!

And don't even get me started about the Sutter proposal... UGHHHH

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YES PERFECT, fill one hole in the top 6 all while creating another hole in the top 6... BRILLIANT!

And don't even get me started about the Sutter proposal... UGHHHH
Bobby Ryan is a huge upgrade over Kunitz.

Either way, these are just the things that it would take to get him. Not what we would actually want to offer.

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08-15-2012, 12:35 AM
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Either way, these are just the things that it would take to get him.
Maybe on NHL 12

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Bobby Ryan is a huge upgrade over Kunitz.

Either way, these are just the things that it would take to get him. Not what we would actually want to offer.
Yes, but who then fills the hole left in the other spot in the top 6?

And I'm not so sure that Kunitz as part of a package "would get him".

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Yes, but who then fills the hole left in the other spot in the top 6?
So we are in the same spot we are already in, just with a better pair of top 6 wingers.

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And I'm not so sure that Kunitz as part of a package "would get him".
I can't imagine they would want a trade with no potential top 6 guy going back.

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So we are in the same spot we are already in, just with a better pair of top 6 wingers.



I can't imagine they would want a trade with no potential top 6 guy going back.

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To Anaheim:

Harrington, Jeffrey, Bennett, Kennedy + 1st.

To Pittsburgh:

Bobby Ryan


What do they get out of this?

A potential top 4 shutdown defenseman that continuously gets better every time people see the kid, a guy that needs a change of scenery and could slot into the Ducks 3rd line C job if he has a good camp, a local kid with top 6 potential, a 3rd line cog that can do spot duty in the top 6 and another potential solid prospect for the ducks in the 20th-30th range and let's not pretend you get crap there, some of the pens prospects that some people drool over were taken by the Pens in that "slot."

Ducks aren't going to get Sutter for Ryan, Shero just gave up Staal to get him and wanted HIM from the Canes, first and foremost.


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Yes, but who then fills the hole left in the other spot in the top 6?

And I'm not so sure that Kunitz as part of a package "would get him".
Yeah the notion of dumping Kunitz to get Ryan just creates another hole, the goal is to add to the current top 6.
Ideally...

Dupuis, Crosby, Ryan
Kunitz, Malkin, Neal

You move Kunitz and suddenly, your options on the left side get really ugly.

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You give us Bobby Ryan and...

We won't laugh at your team being named after a Disney movie






Done and done.
To their face atleast

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The only way we'd get the Ducks to trade us Ryan would be through a three-way trade but that would be impossible to work out. Staal was the piece that would've gotten us Ryan.

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