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08-16-2012, 01:37 AM
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Thanks for joining in the conversation. A lot of really great insight there. At least you got the bolded part right.
Actually, it's a very logical thought.

Question: Why would they trade him when his value is low?

Answer: Because they don't expect his value to go up?

for clarification, I'm not saying they do feel that way, just if they did feel that way.

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Why would they sell him when his value is at his lowest
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Because they don't expect his numbers or his value to get any higher than it is now?

As for the "How would I know?" it's just me admitting I don't watch Statsny. I'll leave the "value" to them. Personally a player with 2 seasons of sub par numbers and 2 years left on his deal is not someone I'd want to pay a premium for.

But thanks for being so inviting.


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08-16-2012, 01:42 AM
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BREAKING NEWS: Mass suicide strikes world. At 7am EST it appears that many people across the globe have committed suicide simultaneously. First reports suggest there is a connection, all members of this suicide are fans of the NHL hockey club, the Colorado Avalanche.

UPDATE: Upon further investigation it appears they have all died in front of their computers', all looking at the same thread on the same website, HFBoards. The thread was titled "Proposal: Toronto-colorado". Police around the globe are reporting that the thread has consisted of Colorado fans being told Stastny sucks and has to be traded now.
I haven't read all of the thread, but it came across to me as, yes, we'd like to have him but we aren't willing to pay for an 80 point forward, as he hasn't been one for a few years. Trade values often work that way. The Leafs own Dion Phaneuf may be a prime example to use for Statsny. Huge start to his career but struggles up the middle. The only question now is, what way does his production go. Anyone should understand a fan of another team being cautious of guys like him.

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breaking news: Mass suicide strikes world. At 7am est it appears that many people across the globe have committed suicide simultaneously. First reports suggest there is a connection, all members of this suicide are fans of the nhl hockey club, the colorado avalanche.

Update: Upon further investigation it appears they have all died in front of their computers', all looking at the same thread on the same website, hfboards. The thread was titled "proposal: Toronto-colorado". Police around the globe are reporting that the thread has consisted of colorado fans being told stastny sucks and has to be traded now.
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08-16-2012, 02:08 AM
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Stastny for Luongo. Just to confuse Leaf fans in their proposals

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08-16-2012, 08:50 AM
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I haven't read all of the thread, but it came across to me as, yes, we'd like to have him but we aren't willing to pay for an 80 point forward, as he hasn't been one for a few years. Trade values often work that way. The Leafs own Dion Phaneuf may be a prime example to use for Statsny. Huge start to his career but struggles up the middle. The only question now is, what way does his production go. Anyone should understand a fan of another team being cautious of guys like him.
The Avalanche have full control of Stastny. Stastny has not asked for a trade and enjoys playing in Colorado. Stastny's cap number does not bother us. Stastny is not for sale, and if you would like to trade for him then you are going to pay for a ppg player or we will keep him, end of discussion. We don't care what you Leaf fans think of him that is the price tag, pay it or don't.

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08-16-2012, 08:59 AM
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IF that is indeed the fact AND you are an intelligent person, please explain to me WHY the Avs trade him then at this point, considering the numbers he's put up the 4 seasons prior to that. Why would they sell him when his value is at his lowest and he's under contract for another 2 years?
Players get traded all the time when they are not performing up to par, it happens all the time. Trades also happen when players are playing well, this is hardly a new discovery.

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08-16-2012, 09:13 AM
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Players get traded all the time when they are not performing up to par, it happens all the time. Trades also happen when players are playing well, this is hardly a new discovery.
Profound statement.

Let me counter will the equally profound: players very often don't get traded when they play well/don't play well.

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08-16-2012, 09:22 AM
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Profound statement.

Let me counter will the equally profound: players very often don't get traded when they play well/don't play well.
It's not a profound statement at all, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were traded within an hour of each other for not playing up to par. It doesn't always happen but it does happen.

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Stastny for Luongo. Just to confuse Leaf fans in their proposals
I think we can somehow weave this name into every thread!!!

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Yeah but if Stastny WASN'T playing well or up to par, HFboards would be littered with 'Stastny to X' proposals started BY Avs fans and that's clearly not the case.

Funny thing is, you're not even seeing the odd "value of Stastny" threads started by Avs fans. You would think, if he was as bad as you're saying he is and as overpaid as you're saying he is and had regressed as much as he has, that these threads would be all over the place but they are not.

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Yeah but if Stastny WASN'T playing well or up to par, HFboards would be littered with 'Stastny to X' proposals started BY Avs fans and that's clearly not the case.

Funny thing is, you're not even seeing the odd "value of Stastny" threads started by Avs fans. You would think, if he was as bad as you're saying he is and as overpaid as you're saying he is and had regressed as much as he has, that these threads would be all over the place but they are not.
I think it's safe to say that not many teams are actively looking to deal their 1/2 centers.

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08-16-2012, 09:32 AM
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I think it's safe to say that not many teams are actively looking to deal their 1/2 centers.
It's also safe to say that the Avs isn't one of them.

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08-16-2012, 09:46 AM
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Yeah but if Stastny WASN'T playing well or up to par, HFboards would be littered with 'Stastny to X' proposals started BY Avs fans and that's clearly not the case.

Funny thing is, you're not even seeing the odd "value of Stastny" threads started by Avs fans. You would think, if he was as bad as you're saying he is and as overpaid as you're saying he is and had regressed as much as he has, that these threads would be all over the place but they are not.
I never said he was a bad player or overpaid once in this thread (in fact I even said he could bounce back), feel free to check all of my posts. However he has been under performing or regressed over the last two seasons compared to what he was putting up fairly regularly.

His total production dropped by 21% from 2009/10 to 2010/11 and then dropped again by 13% from 2010/11 to 2011/12. All in all that's a 31% drop off from 2009/10 to present day Stastny.

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I never said he was a bad player or overpaid once in this thread (in fact I even said he could bounce back), feel free to check all of my posts. However he has been under performing or regressed over the last two seasons compared to what he was putting up fairly regularly.

His total production dropped by 21% from 2009/10 to 2010/11 and then dropped again by 13% from 2010/11 to 2011/12. All in all that's a 31% drop off from 2009/10 to present day Stastny.
I don't think you like 99% of Leafs fans understand. The Avs are not shopping Stastny, every previous reports indicate that the Leafs are interested in Stastny and the Avs are not shopping him. Which means if you want Stastny you're going to have to pay what the Avs believe he's worth, which would be a point per game centre. Takes 2 teams to make a trade which Leafs fans apparently forget since they think the whole league revolves around their team. Let me ask this again, how do the scraps the Leafs are offering fit into the Avs' line up to make them a better team? The only player that would make sense to trade Stastny for is Phanuef or Kessel.

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The wingers the Leafs are offering would be at best the 7th or 8th best winger on the Avs, so you're telling the Avs to downgrade from Stastny to Bozak for 3rd line wingers? Please think before you propose.

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08-16-2012, 10:05 AM
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I don't think you like 99% of Leafs fans understand. The Avs are not shopping Stastny, every previous reports indicate that the Leafs are interested in Stastny and the Avs are not shopping him. Which means if you want Stastny you're going to have to pay what the Avs believe he's worth, which would be a point per game centre. Takes 2 teams to make a trade which Leafs fans apparently forget since they think the whole league revolves around their team. Let me ask this again, how do the scraps the Leafs are offering fit into the Avs' line up to make them a better team? The only player that would make sense to trade Stastny for is Phanuef or Kessel.

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The wingers the Leafs are offering would be at best the 7th or 8th best winger on the Avs, so you're telling the Avs to downgrade from Stastny to Bozak for 3rd line wingers? Please think before you propose.
Stastny isn't a PPG center currently (hasn't been for two years in a row) and Toronto isn't offering "scraps" for him. Also try to be a little bit more mature in your posts. Teams can set a price for their players but the real value is only what others are willing to offer.

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08-16-2012, 10:09 AM
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Stastny isn't a PPG center currently (hasn't been for two years in a row) and Toronto isn't offering "scraps" for him. Also try to be a little bit more mature in your posts. Teams can set a price for their players but the real value is only what others are willing to offer.
And if we don't like what you have to offer then we have the option to say no. Which now that I think about it has been said many times over in several different ways. Unless Stastny is just begging to be traded his value is what we say it is so, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, deal with it.


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