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08-16-2012, 12:41 PM
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Fair enough. I don't think the Flyers have or will have the assets to make it possible or worthwhile to acquire him, but I guess there's no harm in hoping.
I think we have the assets. There are players I certainly would be willing to part with for Weber. Right now though there is no reason to discuss that until the year passes. And we all have no clue what will happen this year, so maybe Weber won't even be needed( I dream I dream)

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Well, I'll give you my source, not sure where it is in the CBA, but

"According to the terms of the current CBA, if Weber doesn’t sign his SPC by December 1 that means he is simply ineligible to play; it doesn’t not mean he and the Predators cannot sign and formalize the SPC after that date.

As far as his player status is concerned, that remains to be seen. According to the terms of the current CBA, he remains Predators property through July 24, 2013, deal or no deal. Weber turns 27 today (August 14), which means that effective July 1, 2013 (the beginning of the new league year) he is eligible as a Group 3 UFA. Keeping in mind that he is property of Nashville through July 24, 2013, that conceivably means that effective July 25, 2013, Shea Weber will be a UFA if he does not sign the current SPC. However, all of this assumes the rules of the current CBA being enforced."

http://thehockeyguys.net/weber-preda...or-the-flyers/

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That's not accurate at all. Sect. 10.3 spells it out specifically. They have entered a binding, 14-year agreement. All of that article's other speculation is nothing more than wishful thinking and applying out-of-context parts of the CBA.

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http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2012/8...-hall-schedule

The article is the schedule for their Skate of the hall meeting(Nashville).

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NOTES: Players scheduled to appear include Jon Blum, Mike Fisher, Paul Gaustad, Hal Gill, Kevin Klein, Chris Mason, Brian McGrattan, Craig Smith and Colin Wilson.
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This all leaves one question hanging in the air... why the heck isn't Shea Weber scheduled to appear? I know some Preds fans got their hackles up when the guys on the 3HL raised the question of why he wasn't at the press conference following the team's decision to match the $110 million offer sheet, but it strikes me as really, really strange for a guy not to show his face in town for more than 3 weeks after a deal of this magnitude has been struck.

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08-16-2012, 05:33 PM
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Weber. Is. Pissed.

Nashville screwed him, and he wants an NMC so that he can decide where he goes should they trade him. Hell, I could see him demanding a trade in a year.

I could also see lawyers getting involved in this one quite frankly.

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Weber. Is. Pissed.

Nashville screwed him, and he wants an NMC so that he can decide where he goes should they trade him. Hell, I could see him demanding a trade in a year.

I could also see lawyers getting involved in this one quite frankly.


Shea Weber will be a flyer after all this **** and the dust clears i hope homer screws nashville agian.

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So it looks like Weber really thought Nashville wouldnt match. It's a shame because he could have signed a 1 year deal and been a Flyer next summer for free. What could have been.....

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Nostramorganti already guaranteed the Flyers would eventually get Weber...so dont fret Flyers fans....

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Weber. Is. Pissed.

Nashville screwed him, and he wants an NMC so that he can decide where he goes should they trade him. Hell, I could see him demanding a trade in a year.

I could also see lawyers getting involved in this one quite frankly.
Not sure what lawyers would do. The CBA is pretty clear.

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Weber. Is. Pissed.

Nashville screwed him, and he wants an NMC so that he can decide where he goes should they trade him. Hell, I could see him demanding a trade in a year.

I could also see lawyers getting involved in this one quite frankly.
Why has no one followed this story at all? If Toronto sent the offer sheet, TSN would be running hour long specials every night? No one has talked to Weber or his agent about this holdout. The media seems to have taken a vacation.

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Why has no one followed this story at all? If Toronto sent the offer sheet, TSN would be running hour long specials every night? No one has talked to Weber or his agent about this holdout. The media seems to have taken a vacation.
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Weber. Is. Pissed.

Nashville screwed him, and he wants an NMC so that he can decide where he goes should they trade him. Hell, I could see him demanding a trade in a year.

I could also see lawyers getting involved in this one quite frankly.
Nashville didn't screw anyone. That's the risk Weber took signing the offer sheet. He signed the offer sheet knowing that one of the possible outcomes was that he would be stuck in Nashville for 14 years.

Flyers thought their bottomless pockets could get one over on the little guy, and it didn't work. That's not to their fault - I don't blame them if they felt this was the best chance they had of getting Weber. There were suitors for Weber, and the Flyers put themselves in a position where it would be 50/50 that he comes here or stays in Nashville. It was a valiant effort in that if the Predators matched, it would ensure that the Penguins/Rangers/Bruins/Capitals would be further stonewalled.

The best (really only) hope here is that he waits out the new CBA, hopes that the UFA age is lowered (I don't think it will happen). Weber can take this to arbitration claiming he fell through the cracks and should be a UFA on a technicality.

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Nashville didn't screw anyone. That's the risk Weber took signing the offer sheet. He signed the offer sheet knowing that one of the possible outcomes was that he would be stuck in Nashville for 14 years.

Flyers thought their bottomless pockets could get one over on the little guy, and it didn't work. That's not to their fault - I don't blame them if they felt this was the best chance they had of getting Weber. There were suitors for Weber, and the Flyers put themselves in a position where it would be 50/50 that he comes here or stays in Nashville. It was a valiant effort to ensure that if they can't get him, then neither do the Penguins or Rangers or whoever.

The best (really only) hope here is that he waits out the new CBA, hopes that the UFA age is lowered (I don't think it will happen), and Weber can take this to arbitration claiming he fell through the cracks and should be a UFA.
Well, it's a little more complex of a scenario with the CBA negotiations. Don't players lose a year of their contract even if there is a lockout?

That means Weber would be tradeable without playing this year if there is a lockout. Weber could be sitting tight not only for a clause but for that as well.

Weber potentially holding out puts another twist in this as well. That's all without taking into consideration any new things written into the CBA itself.

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Well, it's a little more complex of a scenario with the CBA negotiations. Don't players lose a year of their contract even if there is a lockout?

That means Weber would be tradeable without playing this year if there is a lockout. Weber could be holding out not only for a clause but for that as well.

Weber potentially holding out puts another twist in this as well.
They don't have to lose a year to get a new CBA. If that's what it comes to, it probably makes his case better, but I can see Bettman going to war on that one. The last thing he'll want to see coming out of this is another superstar leaving a small market for a northern power.

If they lose a year, the league and PA would have to agree that the year counts, which is what they did last time (precedence is in the PA's favor).

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They don't have to lose a year to get a new CBA. If that's what it comes to, it probably makes his case better, but I can see Bettman going to war on that one. The last thing he'll want to see coming out of this is another superstar leaving a small market for a northern power.

If they lose a year, the league and PA would have to agree that the year counts, which is what they did last time (precedence is in the PA's favor).
I could imagine, if Weber really doesn't want to remain in Nashville, him looking for any kind of loophole out. This is why he's pushing so hard for an NMC.

He could potentially demand a trade and limit the teams to contenders he feels are relevant.


In hindsight though, the Flyers probably should have discussed potentially a one-year deal at 10.00m or so to get Weber. If they could've convinced Weber to sign that with the promise of another multi-year extension as soon as he was in Philadelphia, then it would've tied Nashville's hands even further. That would have required a lot of faith in Weber re-signing on the Flyers' part though.

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In hindsight though, the Flyers probably should have discussed potentially a one-year deal at 10.00m or so to get Weber. If they could've convinced Weber to sign that with the promise of another multi-year extension as soon as he was in Philadelphia, then it would've tied Nashville's hands even further. That would have required a lot of faith in Weber re-signing on the Flyers' part though.
I suggested this, too, but apparently we wouldnt have been able to give him that extension until January 1st (?) I believe.

By that time there could be a new CBA and bigger restrictions on the kind of money he could have made.

But if Weber truly wanted out of Nashville, even over the 110m, that may have been his safest bet.

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I could imagine, if Weber really doesn't want to remain in Nashville, him looking for any kind of loophole out. This is why he's pushing so hard for an NMC.

He could potentially demand a trade and limit the teams to contenders he feels are relevant.


In hindsight though, the Flyers probably should have discussed potentially a one-year deal at 10.00m or so to get Weber. If they could've convinced Weber to sign that with the promise of another multi-year extension as soon as he was in Philadelphia, then it would've tied Nashville's hands even further. That would have required a lot of faith in Weber re-signing on the Flyers' part though.
Hm, in retrospect on a 1 year offer sheet do you think that Nashville even risks matching, possibly losing Weber to FA next year getting nothing in return or takes the 4 1sts to try and salvage something...

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Why has no one followed this story at all? If Toronto sent the offer sheet, TSN would be running hour long specials every night? No one has talked to Weber or his agent about this holdout. The media seems to have taken a vacation.
No one is following it because it isn't a story. The offer sheet is a BINDING agreement between Weber and Nashville. A player not formalizing a contract by signing it isn't a story. Contracts are signed all the time after agreements are made. It isn't always publicized.

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No one is following it because it isn't a story. The offer sheet is a BINDING agreement between Weber and Nashville. A player not formalizing a contract by signing it isn't a story. Contracts are signed all the time after agreements are made. It isn't always publicized.
A potential holdout based off a contract dispute involving a marquee player is ALWAYS a story.

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IMO Weber might of really wanted to get out of nashville but he should of told Pollie straight up he was ready to move on instead of getting his agents to do the dirty work. I understand he maybe didn't want to come off as the bad guy but when you want something you go for it.

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Weber. Is. Pissed.

Nashville screwed him, and he wants an NMC so that he can decide where he goes should they trade him. Hell, I could see him demanding a trade in a year.

I could also see lawyers getting involved in this one quite frankly.
How did Nashville screw him? I'm not denying his mad (personally, I think Weber wants to be a Flyer), but I don't see how we screwed him. We matched the offer-sheet. He had to know that was an option when he signed it. I don't see what that Preds did wrong here.

Anyways, casual Flyers fan and wish you guys best of luck next year.

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IMO Weber might of really wanted to get out of nashville but he should of told Pollie straight up he was ready to move on instead of getting his agents to do the dirty work. I understand he maybe didn't want to come off as the bad guy but when you want something you go for it.
I'm pretty sure he did when they started shopping him around. He picked the Flyers and the Preds didn't like only having one option. That's something people seem to forget about the Weber situation. Poile was actively shopping Weber because he knew that Weber wanted OUT. Weber chose his destination in Philadelphia. An NMC would serve the same purpose. Nashville did not make a 14 year commitment to Weber, they committed until July 25 of next year. They can trade his contract easily to any big market team. Weber already chose where he wants to go, let's see what happens.

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I'm pretty sure he did when they started shopping him around. He picked the Flyers and the Preds didn't like only having one option. That's something people seem to forget about the Weber situation. Poile was actively shopping Weber because he knew that Weber wanted OUT. Weber chose his destination in Philadelphia. An NMC would serve the same purpose. Nashville did not make a 14 year commitment to Weber, they committed until July 25 of next year. They can trade his contract easily to any big market team. Weber already chose where he wants to go, let's see what happens.
If this were the case, he simply could have burned the organization to the ground between when they signed the offer sheet and Nashville matched. If he comes out and bashes the organization, it makes it really hard for them to match. I never understood why he didn't authorize his agents to say more directly and concretely that he had no intention of playing another game in Nashville.

They still might have called his bluff, but what did he have to lose, especially if it were through the agent.

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F Shea Weber lol. We have Braydon Coburn

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If this were the case, he simply could have burned the organization to the ground between when they signed the offer sheet and Nashville matched. If he comes out and bashes the organization, it makes it really hard for them to match. I never understood why he didn't authorize his agents to say more directly and concretely that he had no intention of playing another game in Nashville.

They still might have called his bluff, but what did he have to lose, especially if it were through the agent.
Weber may want to keep his image as a team player. He let his agent do the talking for him. It was obvious that after Suter signed, stuff started leaking out about Weber being distraught.

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A potential holdout based off a contract dispute involving a marquee player is ALWAYS a story.
There is no contract dispute and nothing remotely close to a holdout. Your speculation on why he hasn't signed doesn't make it a story.

Terms were already set when Weber signed the offer sheet, 14 years at 100+ million. When he actually puts pen to an SPC isn't a story. Should ESPN satellite trucks be parked at his house and at Predator HQ?

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