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Which trade with Toronto would you undo?

View Poll Results: Which trade with Toronto would you undo?
Kaberle for Colborne 1st and 2nd 94 97.92%
1st, 1st, 2nd for Kessel 2 2.08%
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08-17-2012, 07:51 AM
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Which trade with Toronto would you undo?

Hello Bruins fans. Over on the Leafs board we have a Poll going right now asking which trade with the Bruins we would undo. The options were the Rask for Raycroft trade or Kessel for the future of the orginization trade. (guess where I stand) We weren't even given the Kaberle option because it isn't nearly as polarizing from a Leafs standpoint. Likewise, I won't even include the Rask trade on this poll as I highly doubt anyone here missed the Rayzor.

So which one would you undo:

Kaberle for Colborne, Biggs and essentially John Michael Lilles

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Seguin, Hamilton and Knight for Kessel

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Hello Bruins fans. Over on the Leafs board we have a Poll going right now asking which trade with the Bruins we would undo. The options were the Rask for Raycroft trade or Kessel for the future of the orginization trade. (guess where I stand) We weren't even given the Kaberle option because it isn't nearly as polarizing from a Leafs standpoint. Likewise, I won't even include the Rask trade on this poll as I highly doubt anyone here missed the Rayzor.

So which one would you undo:

Kaberle for Colborne, Biggs and essentially John Michael Lilles

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Seguin, Hamilton and Knight for Kessel
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if anyone says the Kessel trade, then they are not Bruins fans.

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If anyone regrets the Kessel trade they are not only not Bruins fans they are stupid.

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Why would any Bruins fan want to undo either trade?

The Kessel trade is an obvious win for the Bruins and we may not have won the cup without Kaberle.

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This poll needs a 3rd option: Neither.

We won the cup with Kaberle so I dont care what was given up for him.

As for Kessel, no one cares, we got the future of the franchise in that deal, and kessel is a useless overrated blob.

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This poll needs a 3rd option: Neither.

We won the cup with Kaberle so I dont care what was given up for him.

As for Kessel, no one cares, we got the future of the franchise in that deal, and kessel is a useless overrated blob.
Rather...RATHER...I should have put rather in the question.

Which trade would you rather undo?

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If anyone regrets the Kessel trade they are not only not Bruins fans they are stupid.
I'm going to play devil's advocate (as a massive Seguin fan mind you) and preface this by saying that winning Cups in this league is extremely difficult and fleeting and I wouldn't undo either trade.

But, I think I can justify trying to reverse the Kessel trade, if the circumstances surrounding the trade weren't what they were. In hindsight if the Bruins were somehow able to sign Kessel and he developed into the player he is on the Leafs we could potentially be looking at more of a dynasty scenario.

It really comes down to what you're looking for as a fan. If it's strictly cups, you might have wanted to undo the Kessel trade and go for multiple cups now given the strength of the team. But if you're looking to stay competitive moving forward, and hope competitive enough to win cups, you do the Kessel trade every day of the week.

Please don't flame me for this, I'm just trying to win cups!

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Rather...RATHER...I should have put rather in the question.

Which trade would you rather undo?
I would rather throw on my 2011 Stanley cup champions DVD.

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What, no Raycroft for Rask option??

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What, no Raycroft for Rask option??
How about an Eddie Shack for Murray Oliver option?

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I'm going to play devil's advocate (as a massive Seguin fan mind you) and preface this by saying that winning Cups in this league is extremely difficult and fleeting and I wouldn't undo either trade.

But, I think I can justify trying to reverse the Kessel trade, if the circumstances surrounding the trade weren't what they were. In hindsight if the Bruins were somehow able to sign Kessel and he developed into the player he is on the Leafs we could potentially be looking at more of a dynasty scenario.

It really comes down to what you're looking for as a fan. If it's strictly cups, you might have wanted to undo the Kessel trade and go for multiple cups now given the strength of the team. But if you're looking to stay competitive moving forward, and hope competitive enough to win cups, you do the Kessel trade every day of the week.

Please don't flame me for this, I'm just trying to win cups!
How about the cap savings from Kessel to an ELC?

Seguin didn't play a huge role in the cup win, but the cap savings of Kessel vs. Seguin allowed the Bruins flexibility to bring in Horton, Peverley, Kaberle, and Kelly.

Not to mention, Kessels salary would have been used as a bargaining chip when resigning other RFA's.

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How about an Eddie Shack for Murray Oliver option?
Or Tom Fergus-Bill Derlago.

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How about the cap savings from Kessel to an ELC?

Seguin didn't play a huge role in the cup win, but the cap savings of Kessel vs. Seguin allowed the Bruins flexibility to bring in Horton, Peverley, Kaberle, and Kelly.

Not to mention, Kessels salary would have been used as a bargaining chip when resigning other RFA's.
Oh for sure, I agree. I was just responding to a poster saying you'd have to either not be a Bruins fan or stupid. I don't think it's necessarily that cut and dry (it could be as early as this year if Seguin is unequivocally better than Kessel), and by that I mean it's indefensible from a Leafs' perspective.

But this is all in hypothetical land and I wouldn't discount the results that Kessel showed last year, he was a beast.

I think on basic terms that if you had a core of Bergeron, Kessel, Marchand, Lucic, Krejci and somehow got Peverley as well, you might have pulled off the same win in 2010, but had a better shot last year.

But the margin for error in winning a cup is so tiny that it's essentially impossible to speculate.

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If anyone regrets the Kessel trade, they are not only not Bruins fans, they are stupid.
Bingo.

Also, I hated Kaberle and mocked Leaf fans for years for their blind love for him but I have no regrets on that front either.

We won a Cup and Colborne isn't gonna make it.

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Oh for sure, I agree. I was just responding to a poster saying you'd have to either not be a Bruins fan or stupid. I don't think it's necessarily that cut and dry (it could be as early as this year if Seguin is unequivocally better than Kessel), and by that I mean it's indefensible from a Leafs' perspective.

But this is all in hypothetical land and I wouldn't discount the results that Kessel showed last year, he was a beast.

I think on basic terms that if you had a core of Bergeron, Kessel, Marchand, Lucic, Krejci and somehow got Peverley as well, you might have pulled off the same win in 2010, but had a better shot last year.

But the margin for error in winning a cup is so tiny that it's essentially impossible to speculate.
All you gotta do is make the playoffs. The leafs can't even manage that, even with Kessel being a "Beast".

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I really want Joe Colborne back- with a lockout looming he'd be good on the second power play unit in Providence.

A better poll question would be- would you rather be happy, wealthy, and healthy, or poor miserable and sick.

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How about we ask Brian Burke?

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Seriously? Which assets do YOU think we're happier about?

Of the three trades you mentioned, the only one that the Leafs didn't come out worse for wear on, is the Kaberle deal. And considering that was the WORST one from a Bruins' fan perspective, it was still a trade that helped us net a Cup... So pretty damn decent for us as well.

The other two? Well... It's not even close.

My suggestion is that this probably isn't a debate for OUR board like it is yours. We're pretty much all in allegiance that we're ****in' ecstatic about the whole freaking lot.

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All you gotta do is make the playoffs. The leafs can't even manage that, even with Kessel being a "Beast".
I don't know why you're putting that in quotations, I know there's no love lost for Kessel but he had a great year last year.

You might have to only make the playoffs, but one guy doesn't take a team to the playoffs. And if you watched their defence and goaltending it definitely wasn't Kessel's fault they didn't make it. And if you were to ask me, for the 2010 and 2011 seasons, Kessel would have been an upgrade over Seguin. For any year moving forward, I think it'll be the other way.

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I don't know why you're putting that in quotations, I know there's no love lost for Kessel but he had a great year last year.

You might have to only make the playoffs, but one guy doesn't take a team to the playoffs. And if you watched their defence and goaltending it definitely wasn't Kessel's fault they didn't make it. And if you were to ask me, for the 2010 and 2011 seasons, Kessel would have been an upgrade over Seguin. For any year moving forward, I think it'll be the other way.
And Seguin's point totals last season bested Kessel's previous career-highs... In his sophomore year. And Kessel playing in the league for five.

I still like Phil. I liked having him on the team and I was pissed when he was dealt for picks. And no doubt about it, he had a great year last season. That doesn't make me regret for ONE SECOND, the big, beautiful haul we got from Burkie for the guy. The Maple Leafs have helped set up the Bruins core for years to come AND contributed to a Stanley Cup here... All while failing to make the playoffs once in that time. I couldn't be happier.

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