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08-17-2012, 10:36 AM
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To San Jose:
Roberto Luongo
Jannik Hansen
Nazem Kadri

To Toronto:
Antti Niemi

To Vancouver:
Ryan Clowe
Dan Boyle
San Jose 1st

Vancouver gets tougher and adds a legit number 1 dman, as well as getting a 1st to help stovk up on prospects.(It stinks to lose Hansen, but I doubt it would fly if we used Raymond)

San Jose gets an upgrade in goal and an infusion of youth/skill/speed.

Toronto gets a starting goaltender.

Thoughts?

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08-17-2012, 10:44 AM
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Uh oh.

Pre-emptive apology to Sharks fans...

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08-17-2012, 10:44 AM
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To San Jose:
Roberto Luongo
Jannik Hansen
Nazem Kadri

To Toronto:
Antti Niemi

To Vancouver:
Ryan Clowe
Dan Boyle
San Jose 1st

Vancouver gets tougher and adds a legit number 1 dman, as well as getting a 1st to help stovk up on prospects.(It stinks to lose Hansen, but I doubt it would fly if we used Raymond)

San Jose gets an upgrade in goal and an infusion of youth/skill/speed.

Toronto gets a starting goaltender.

Thoughts?
I like it from a Vancouver perspective. I doubt SJ goes for that.

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08-17-2012, 10:44 AM
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why not just take toronto out of the trade all together. Kadri for Niemi isnt a good deal for the leafs

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08-17-2012, 10:56 AM
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Rather roll with Reimer than give up Kadri for another overrated goalie.

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08-17-2012, 10:58 AM
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Rather roll with Reimer than give up Kadri for another overrated goalie.
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why not just take toronto out of the trade all together. Kadri for Niemi isnt a good deal for the leafs
Maybe its just me, but giving up a fairly average to above average forward prospect, for a goaltender that's won a cup and generally has had good numbers in the this league, seems like a pretty good deal for the leafs.

That said, I don't think you see the Sharks doing this. Even if the value is fairly ok.

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08-17-2012, 11:00 AM
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Maybe its just me, but giving up a fairly average to above average forward prospect.
It's just you. Nazem Kadri has wonderful potential. He's not simply an average prospect.

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08-17-2012, 11:04 AM
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It's just you. Nazem Kadri has wonderful potential. He's not simply an average prospect.
I'm not seeing it.

He's definitely got the talent, we'll have to see how he shows up to camp this year. He needs be bigger, more cerebral with the puck, and better defensively to have any chance of making the team this year. And if he didn't that would be a pretty major disappointment for a (basically) 22 year old thats had a ton of chances so far.

Kadri could still turn out to be an excellent prospect, hitting that Mike Ribeiro type ceiling that I see for him, but last year i wasn't very impressed.

I didn't mean to turn this thread into about Nazem Kadri, as he's a relatively small part of the overall blockbuster.

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08-17-2012, 11:10 AM
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Absolutely brutal for the Sharks. We give up a top-6 power forward, #1 goalie, and a top-10 offensive defensemen in the league. We get, Luongo (a goalie who i don't see as an upgrade at all, he costs more, for longer, and in a similar situation has failed to win a cup where Niemi did), a forward prospect that cannot break into a non-playoff teams roster, let alone the Sharks roster, and a quality 3rd liner...

I really don't think you thought that through. We don't want Luongo, even for free, so his value is zero in that trade, and Kadri + Hansen is laughable for Niemi, Boyle, Clowe...

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08-17-2012, 11:15 AM
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Rather roll with Reimer than give up Kadri for another overrated goalie.
Good, because I'd rather keep Niemi than have to deal with a bust prospect.

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08-17-2012, 11:19 AM
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Absolutely brutal for the Sharks. We give up a top-6 power forward, #1 goalie, and a top-10 offensive defensemen in the league. We get, Luongo (a goalie who i don't see as an upgrade at all, he costs more, for longer, and in a similar situation has failed to win a cup where Niemi did), a forward prospect that cannot break into a non-playoff teams roster, let alone the Sharks roster, and a quality 3rd liner...

I really don't think you thought that through. We don't want Luongo, even for free, so his value is zero in that trade, and Kadri + Hansen is laughable for Niemi, Boyle, Clowe...
I find this post pretty hilarious. And just dead wrong.

Luongo doesn't have "zero value in this trade", and you're assessment of him compared to Niemi was laughable. Lu has had better stats every year Niemi has been in the league, as well as having better playoff stats than him basically every year as well. (with the exception of 2010 and the abysmal Kings series for our PK). You're basing Niemi's 'higher' value, on his contract, and the fact that he won a cup on one of the best teams we've seen in the past decade. I wonder if Luongo would be getting the same credit for that cup win...

Very interesting assessment nonetheless.

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08-17-2012, 11:28 AM
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I find this post pretty hilarious. And just dead wrong.

Luongo doesn't have "zero value in this trade", and you're assessment of him compared to Niemi was laughable. Lu has had better stats every year Niemi has been in the league, as well as having better playoff stats than him basically every year as well. (with the exception of 2010 and the abysmal Kings series for our PK). You're basing Niemi's 'higher' value, on his contract, and the fact that he won a cup on one of the best teams we've seen in the past decade. I wonder if Luongo would be getting the same credit for that cup win...

Very interesting assessment nonetheless.
Your post is quite hilarious as well, totally avoiding the statement that the sharks get bent over in this trade and instead feeling the need to defend your goalie who by all accounts is potentially on his way out the door anyways.

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08-17-2012, 11:33 AM
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I'm not seeing it.

He's definitely got the talent, we'll have to see how he shows up to camp this year. He needs be bigger, more cerebral with the puck, and better defensively to have any chance of making the team this year. And if he didn't that would be a pretty major disappointment for a (basically) 22 year old thats had a ton of chances so far.

Kadri could still turn out to be an excellent prospect, hitting that Mike Ribeiro type ceiling that I see for him, but last year i wasn't very impressed.

I didn't mean to turn this thread into about Nazem Kadri, as he's a relatively small part of the overall blockbuster.
I think at worst Kadri will turn into a Sam Gagner type.

He is at nearly a PPG in the AHL for his career, and has 19 points in 50 NHL games playing with minimal minutes.

He actually has great potential, he just hasn't been able to fill out his frame appropriate to the way he plays the game. I am curious to see what kind of results his summer of work with Roberts can do for him coming into camp.

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08-17-2012, 11:34 AM
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Your post is quite hilarious as well, totally avoiding the statement that the sharks get bent over in this trade and instead feeling the need to defend your goalie who by all accounts is potentially on his way out the door anyways.
The only reason the Sharks get bent over, according to his logic, is that Luongo has zero value. Which simply isn't true.

Put his value in as what it is, which is a top 7 goaltender on a questionable contract, and suddenly its somewhat fair value! Gasp!

Edit: I will say the first is unnecessary. Shouldn't be there.

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Your post is quite hilarious as well, totally avoiding the statement that the sharks get bent over in this trade and instead feeling the need to defend your goalie who by all accounts is potentially on his way out the door anyways.
You're also shedding over 20 years of age off your roster, and the players you are getting have some very good potential.

You have yo factor in age as well to this.

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08-17-2012, 11:38 AM
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No ****ing way SJ does this.

SJ gives: Boyle, Clowe, Niemi, 1st
SJ gets: Luongo, Hansen, Kadri

However, that is the best way to have people respond to your post, make a bad proposal.

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Holy jesus. Sharks give up Clowe, Boyle, 1rst, Niemi for Luongo, Hansen and Kadri? That's friggin terrible for the Sharks. Seriously think about other teams when making proposals.

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Well, I can see why Vancouver would make this trade, but I don't see a reason for the other 2 teams. San Jose gets royally ripped off.

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You're also shedding over 20 years of age off your roster, and the players you are getting have some very good potential.

You have yo factor in age as well to this.
The Sharks need to win now. Shedding "age" for "potential" isn't going to help that.

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08-17-2012, 11:43 AM
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No ****ing way SJ does this.

SJ gives: Boyle, Clowe, Niemi, 1st
SJ gets: Luongo, Hansen, Kadri

However, that is the best way to have people respond to your post, make a bad proposal.
Luongo = Boyle + Clowe
(elite middle aged player for elite older player + average middle aged player, plus goalies usually have a longer shelf life)

Niemi = Kadri
Hansen = 1st

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The Sharks need to win now. Shedding "age" for "potential" isn't going to help that.
Luongo makes you better now, and the addition of speed and skill from Kadri and Hansen adds a new facet to your team.

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Vancouver robs both teams. No way from Leaf perspective, and doubley so for the Sharks.

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ZERO chance DW takes on Lu's contract. Less than zero chance he takes it on at that price.

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Kadri for Niemi is like Couture for Toskala all over again.

Leafs laugh and hang up!

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Luongo = Boyle + Clowe
(elite middle aged player for elite older player + average middle aged player, plus goalies usually have a longer shelf life)

Niemi = Kadri
Hansen = 1st
You guys are going to be SERIOUSLY dissapointed when Luongo gets traded. You are not getting a very high-end #1 d-man + a highly coveted power forward (even with 1 year left) for Luongo. He's great in the regular season (useless to us) but simply does not have the mental fortitude to get it done when it counts. If the USA had won the gold medal I guarantee you Luongo would have been blamed (and rightfully, he looked shaky as hell). He has value to a team desperate for goaltending whom cannot lure free agents, that is not the Sharks. We don't need Luongo, Doug Wilson hates those kind of contracts, and we are not giving up any value for him.

The ONLY player in that deal I like is Hansen.

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Luongo makes you better now, and the addition of speed and skill from Kadri and Hansen adds a new facet to your team.
Luongo does not make us better now. We need to win in the playoffs, not the regular season, and Luongo does not help there. Kadri can't make the Leaf's roster, let alone the Sharks, so he doesn't add anything to our team. Hansen yes, would love to have him, but if you think the Sharks are a better team after that trade I can't help you.

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