I said people who watch him and then you bring up errors like that is what defines his defensive game.
He has made incredible strides defensively from year to year. It is stupid to think that he won't continue to improve because HE IS 22 YEARS OLD. He isn't supposed to be a defensive stalwart. He HAS been getting better and better so I think we'll go on that instead of some stupid hypothetical where he just stops becoming better defensively. His range is among the best in the game, he has incredible hand/eye coordination, and he has a strong arm. I have all the faith in the world that he'll become one of the better defensive SS in the NL.
Instead of listening to those who watch him everyday and have been commenting all year about his improved defense, you continue to play typical White Sox fanboy, Cubs contrarian.
No, you're clearly inferring things from my posts that weren't intended to be implied.
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No, it wouldn't be considered awesome... but if contracts keep going up in price like they are, then I'd say it's still a pretty damn good contract.
Also, look at the SS pool... it's pathetic.
Very true. The reason I'm asking is because 3-4 years ago, I though Alexei Ramirez could become one of the best players at the position if he learned better plate discipline. He was hitting ~.270-.280 with over 15hrs and 70 rbi's but couldn't take a walk to save his life. I had hoped he would develop more and become a ~.290 hitter with ~20hrs, 75+rbi's and an OBP of like .350 in the two spot while playing elite defense. Fast forward 4 years and he's still pretty much the same guy(BA and power numbers are down this season) and its disappointing. Not to say castro will befall the same fate, but i just wanted to see if you guys would feel similar to how I feel now about ramirez(he was also 3-4 years older then than castro is now).
And romers, I watch quite a few cubs games(not as many as sox obviously), and if I wanted to start a cubs/sox argument I wouldn't be subtle.
Very true. The reason I'm asking is because 3-4 years ago, I though Alexei Ramirez could become one of the best players at the position if he learned better plate discipline. He was hitting ~.270-.280 with over 15hrs and 70 rbi's but couldn't take a walk to save his life. I had hoped he would develop more and become a ~.290 hitter with ~20hrs, 75+rbi's and an OBP of like .350 while playing elite defense. Fast forward 4 years and he's still pretty much the same guy(BA and power numbers are down this season) and its disappointing. Not to say castro will befall the same fate, but i just wanted to see if you guys would feel similar to how I feel now about ramirez(he was also 3-4 years older then than castro is now).
Fair enough... and the SS pool is only getting worse. Hanley looks to me that he'll be at 3B eventually. Jeter while still productive, is obviously up there in age.
yea, you can say he'll improve, but my question was what happens if... Not "he'll never be better than a 300 hitter with a low OBP, sub 800 OPS and average defense". It was a hypothetical and I was curious what cubs fans would think of the contract if he doesn't improve that much.
Say he makes moderate improvements as he enters his prime, a slash line of .305/.350/.450, you basically have Jimmy Rollins in his prime which is easily worth the 8.5 mil per year he'll be making
No, you're clearly inferring things from my posts that weren't intended to be implied.
Very true. The reason I'm asking is because 3-4 years ago, I though Alexei Ramirez could become one of the best players at the position if he learned better plate discipline. He was hitting ~.270-.280 with over 15hrs and 70 rbi's but couldn't take a walk to save his life. I had hoped he would develop more and become a ~.290 hitter with ~20hrs, 75+rbi's and an OBP of like .350 in the two spot while playing elite defense. Fast forward 4 years and he's still pretty much the same guy(BA and power numbers are down this season) and its disappointing. Not to say castro will befall the same fate, but i just wanted to see if you guys would feel similar to how I feel now about ramirez(he was also 3-4 years older then than castro is now).
And romers, I watch quite a few cubs games(not as many as sox obviously), and if I wanted to start a cubs/sox argument I wouldn't be subtle.
The difference is, 4 years ago Alexi Ramirez was 27....right in the middle of his prime. Castro is 22, probably 3 years off of when most players enter their prime
The difference is, 4 years ago Alexi Ramirez was 27....right in the middle of his prime. Castro is 22, probably 3 years off of when most players enter their prime
Good points for sure, but I tend to judge players on MLB experience more so than age(obviously there are exceptions).
****, if castro takes the konerko route, 9-10 years from now he'll be entering his prime
#1 - Typical ****-ing Arsenal this morning. The kind of regular display RvP would make zero difference in, as the whole team didn't create enough anyways.
#2 - pretty good deal for Starlin. I just hope for Cubs fans sake he improves defensively.
#3 - if the Royals cost the Sox the division, I'm just gonna snap...
#1 - Typical ****-ing Arsenal this morning. The kind of regular display RvP would make zero difference in, as the whole team didn't create enough anyways.
#2 - pretty good deal for Starlin. I just hope for Cubs fans sake he improves defensively.
#3 - if the Royals cost the Sox the division, I'm just gonna snap...
Giroud's Howler would have been RvP's first of the season. Podolski was largely ineffective. Cazorla is a player.
Team needs a quality destroyer in the worst way. If they bring in M'Villa that team will be quality.
Giroud's Howler would have been RvP's first of the season.
Might have been. I could see him hitting that ball wide as well, though.
Best chance was the one Gervinho I believe hit over the bar with Podolski making an open run right beside him. They'll learn to lay that off next time.
Seriously ,, The effort of Sox this weekend was embarrassing
If they are gonna play like this vs lesser teams then they wont be holding onto division lead
Yep. They have their first good series in Toronto since the WS year...and they follow it up with this giant pile of garbage. It makes us wonder...is the annual August./September slide about to commence? I was hoping it was an Ozzie thing..and maybe it is, but you can smell it coming. Most of the bats are dead.
Yep. They have their first good series in Toronto since the WS year...and they follow it up with this giant pile of garbage. It makes us wonder...is the annual August./September slide about to commence? I was hoping it was an Ozzie thing..and maybe it is, but you can smell it coming. Most of the bats are dead.
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That wasn't an Ozzie thing
Sox faded in 96 with Bevington at helm (Blowing WC spot in late Aug)
Sox faded in 03 with Maneul (Blowing division lead in Mid Sept)
