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Does Bobby Ryan's value = PK Subban's value ?

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08-19-2012, 05:04 PM
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Does Bobby Ryan's value = PK Subban's value ?

As title states ?

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As title states ?
to me:

Ryan > Subban

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Subban>Ryan, imho.

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I'll say yes because defencemen, like centers, are always at a premium.

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As title states ?
It is close but I would say Ryan>Subban. The Ducks wouldn't consider it anyway. They need more top 6 fowards, especially a 2nd line center, and they already have enough Dmen.

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Subban>Ryan

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I don't think PK is worth Bobby... at least yet. They probably have comparable potential, but Bobby has proven much more to this point. Given, he has a year or two on PK, but still. This will be in interesting question in a year or so.

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Subban>Ryan, imho.
Agreed. Value is close but Subban has more upside at this point whereas Ryan pretty much is what he is.

Whether or not you discount for PK's off-ice stuff, fighting with teammates in practice etc. could skew it.

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Ryan>Subban

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Make a poll perhaps?

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As someone that was a Habs fan before my Sens came into the league :

Ryan > Subban

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I would say its close enough to call even. Ryan is better, however Subban is a defenseman, is two years younger, and still has some upside he could realize. Maybe Ryan has a tad more value, but a draft pick would even it up for me.

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Ryan=<Subban

Coming from a Bruins fan.

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Subban + 1000 bottles of Advil = Ryan

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They are close, but I would say Ryan is a little more valuable. Both players still have room to grow. By the end of next year, my answer might be different.

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Based on early results, I'd say its pretty close.

Trying to established marginal differences really isn't worthwhile because it would all depend on team needs. They are players of similar value.

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Subban has more value. Habs should never trade him.

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It's a difficult question to answer. There's a lot of factors that end up in value. There's also 30 different values for every player - one specific one to each team, but I assume this is about the average value of a player.

I think it's Ryan by a bit. Not a lot, but not quite negligible. In terms of draft picks, I'd put it at a 2nd. One thing that makes the comparision particularly difficult is the different contract situations. It's pretty clear cut for Ryan - three more years until UFA. Well, as "clear cut" as things can be without a CBA to go forward with, and thus fogging the future UFA-age a bit. Subban doesn't have a contract, yet, but obviously is bound to his club for longer, but a contract would help. I'm not sure if these things really constitute a big plus for either, though.

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Bobby Ryan has definitely more value. 25 years old, scored 30 goals in the last 4 season, signed on a very nice contract, also has a good two-way game.

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Agreed. Value is close but Subban has more upside at this point whereas Ryan pretty much is what he is.

Whether or not you discount for PK's off-ice stuff, fighting with teammates in practice etc. could skew it.
Bobby Ryan has been shopped around by his team and has even got to the point of Bobby Ryan challenging the Ducks to trade him which lowers his value a lot more than PK displaying a little over exuberance during practise - which is far from a negative in a lot of GM's eyes.

PK has more of the intangibles which make him worth more than Ryan, imo. Not a lot but enough to tilt the value on his side.

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Ryan has more value than subban..

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Bobby Ryan has been shopped around by his team and has even got to the point of Bobby Ryan challenging the Ducks to trade him which lowers his value a lot more than PK displaying a little over exuberance during practise - which is far from a negative in a lot of GM's eyes.

PK has more of the intangibles which make him worth more than Ryan, imo. Not a lot but enough to tilt the value on his side.
Not to mention Subban hasnt even stratched the surface on how good hes going to be in the future. Ryan has shown us hes a 65 pt player with VERY good linemates.

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Bobby Ryan is a proven scorer PK Subban has proven nothing..

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Ryan > Subban imo

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Value is very close but if I had Subban on my team I'd say No plus IMO D-Men is worth more then a winger specially with the caliber of these player

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