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08-18-2012, 01:13 PM
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Gunnarsson + Kulemin + Colborne + Macarthur + 2013 1st

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Buff, Kane.
There's no point in trying to get Kane short of overpayment, I think.

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08-18-2012, 01:15 PM
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Lol are you trying to say Nielsen has more value then Niño?...Because Niño will end up being way better.
Depends what you are looking for. Right NOW, Nielsen is the better player. It's tough trading for potential because it's a crap shoot.

Sure Nino has higher upside, but it doesn't guarantee that he would get there. Nielsen is solid and you know what you are getting, plus he is the league overall leader for SO goals %.

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08-18-2012, 01:30 PM
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For everyone throwing him under the bus, the guy had 53 points in 66 games. He may have some defensive shortcomings but the guy is a beast in the offensive zone. I really hope we don't trade him for anything short of an overpayment.

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08-18-2012, 03:34 PM
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Buff is an impact player, period. There's no comparable player in the league. His defensive lapses are well known but I absolutely wouldn't trade him for a bunch of spare pieces (cue the Ballard + Raymond proposals). If you're going to trade an impact player, you want another one in return or at least several high-end prospects, not a second-pairing D.



Wow, we're overvaluing prospects here. I recognize Hamilton is a great prospect but you're still lucky if he turns out to be as good as Buff is. Realistically Caron's not a high ranking prospect and the 1st would be late. That package might get you Kane (who is worth more than Buff) but certainly not Kane and Buff.



Trouba and Hamilton are essentially a wash, different styles but similar value. This is admittedly much better than the previous one but still not something I'd care to do.
No. Not even close.
Hamilton has been rated as the best defensive prospect outside of the NHL and just won OHL D-man of the year.

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08-18-2012, 04:02 PM
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For everyone throwing him under the bus, the guy had 53 points in 66 games. He may have some defensive shortcomings but the guy is a beast in the offensive zone. I really hope we don't trade him for anything short of an overpayment.
No kidding. Put him with elite playmakers and he's unstoppable.

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08-18-2012, 04:09 PM
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08-18-2012, 04:45 PM
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& a case of vasoline because the Jets get taken.

To Jets:
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*It basically becomes Big Buff as the return for J Staal*

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08-18-2012, 05:02 PM
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& a case of vasoline because the Jets get taken.

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*It basically becomes Big Buff as the return for J Staal*
Rather have Staal, but loading up the Jets with Sutters seems like a pretty good idea to me.

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08-18-2012, 05:47 PM
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What it take from Philly to get Bufyglien? OR Bufyglien+Kane ?

Only Bufyglien i would offer Read+1st+Gustaffson. But for both , i would offer Voracek+Read+Gustaffson+two 1st picks, enough?

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For everyone throwing him under the bus, the guy had 53 points in 66 games. He may have some defensive shortcomings but the guy is a beast in the offensive zone. I really hope we don't trade him for anything short of an overpayment.
Exactly, and none of these offers is close to that. Especially the ones trying to also poach Kane.

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08-18-2012, 06:21 PM
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Only Bufyglien i would offer Read+1st+Gustaffson.
Could be entertained.

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But for both , i would offer Voracek+Read+Gustaffson+two 1st picks, enough?
No. You're saying Kane is woth Voracek and a 1st? Don't get me wrong, I think Voracek is a great player, but he seems to have peaked at 50 pts. Very consistent player. But Kane is two years younger and has hit 57 pts, with a very obvious upswing in production. The kid has superstar potential.

But at least Voracek wouldn't have to worry about this happening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPMFUEfHb2I

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08-18-2012, 09:23 PM
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What it take from Philly to get Bufyglien? OR Bufyglien+Kane ?

Only Bufyglien i would offer Read+1st+Gustaffson. But for both , i would offer Voracek+Read+Gustaffson+two 1st picks, enough?
Jesus Christ man. Buy us dinner before you **** us.

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08-18-2012, 11:14 PM
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No. Not even close.
Hamilton has been rated as the best defensive prospect outside of the NHL and just won OHL D-man of the year.
I'll give you Hamilton having more value, but how much more is up for debate. He is a year older and Trouba could very well be at this same point next year. But what Hamilton has over Trouba is being further along in development.

Either way, the proposal that he commented on isn't enough from a Jets perspective.

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This is exactly the type of guy we would want to target. Essentially, a Mark Stuart that could play 20 minutes a night.

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08-19-2012, 01:50 PM
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Could be entertained.
Give me counter offer,please.

I´m interested Byfuglien, cause we need defender who could be first pair minutes worth. Kane was only guessing and thinking, cause we need more shootfirst guys to play with G. Voracek is nice but we have playmakers all ready enough and i would love to add more hits and shots.

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08-19-2012, 11:20 PM
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Give me counter offer,please.

I´m interested Byfuglien, cause we need defender who could be first pair minutes worth. Kane was only guessing and thinking, cause we need more shootfirst guys to play with G. Voracek is nice but we have playmakers all ready enough and i would love to add more hits and shots.
Buff wouldn't be 1st pairing on the Flyers.

You don't watch the Jets much (I'd guess) but the big guy is a forward playing D (but doesn't want to play on the front end). Best suited for the PP & 2nd pairing. Valuable but defense suffers when 1 of them is rushing.

You won't get Kane unless it's in a package that includes Couturier & + for Kane +. Kane is as close to G as the Jets have.

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08-19-2012, 11:58 PM
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Canuck fans need to stop offering up spare parts. If Buf were available, we'd need to be offering up better pieces. Even still, they need a legit top 6 forward which just happens to be our need, so it's unlikely.

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08-20-2012, 01:44 AM
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He seems to be. He made it clear he wants to play defense. I agree he would be of more value to the Jets as a forward. On occasion he spends full shifts deep in the attacking zone anyways. Just as a d-man this often leads to odd man rushes against. Enstrom is probably forced to break up more 2 on 1's then any other d-man in the league. But some night's when Buff's game is on it is like the puck is glued to his stick and he is unstopable.
I haven't seen Buff play forward since he joined the Jets, but he was pretty ****** at it for the Hawks. Other than getting under Luongo's skin, has he really done anything that makes you think he'll be an effective forward?

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08-20-2012, 08:50 AM
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I haven't seen Buff play forward since he joined the Jets, but he was pretty ****** at it for the Hawks. Other than getting under Luongo's skin, has he really done anything that makes you think he'll be an effective forward?
Good point. Buff has never lined up as forward for the Jets but has played many shifts deep in the attacking zone and with his size and ability to control the puck he generated more scoring chances than most of our forwards. However this focus on offensive often leads to oddman rushes against and ensuing chaos in our end. IMO with the Hawks he did a lot more at forward then get under Luongo's skin. I thought at times he was pretty dominate at forward.

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08-20-2012, 10:04 AM
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I haven't seen Buff play forward since he joined the Jets, but he was pretty ****** at it for the Hawks. Other than getting under Luongo's skin, has he really done anything that makes you think he'll be an effective forward?
I agree. I don't see why everyone wants to acquire him to put him back at forward. In his two seasons at forward he averaged about 30 points, he did seem to "break out" though during the Hawks cup run. Fact is though, the guy is a consistant 50 point guy from the blueline, why mess with that? He eats big minutes on the back end and creates far more impact from there. I'd definitely keep him as a defenseman, why mess with a good thing?

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What it take from Philly to get Bufyglien? OR Bufyglien+Kane ?

Only Bufyglien i would offer Read+1st+Gustaffson. But for both , i would offer Voracek+Read+Gustaffson+two 1st picks, enough?
For Buff and Kane? Be prepared to pay hardcore.
Forget this "Read" and "Gustaffson" stuff.

Both Schenns and Couturier would be what Winnipeg would want. Kane is a superstar in the making, had 30 goals at 20 years old. Buff was 2nd highest scoring D in the league despite being out for almost 20 games.

I'd equate it something around L Schenn and Couturier for Kane.. B Schenn for Buff.
Smaller pieces than those = do not want.

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Laddy Smid and Ales Hemsky for Byfuglien?

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08-20-2012, 07:08 PM
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To Winnipeg: Bishop G, Wiercioch LD & Condra RW
To Ottawa: Byfuglien RD

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Gunnarsson + Kulemin + Colborne + Macarthur + 2013 1st

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Good ol leafs fan. That wouldn't get you Kane.

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To Winnipeg: Bishop G, Wiercioch LD & Condra RW
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To Winnipeg: Bishop G, Wiercioch LD & Condra RW
To Ottawa: Byfuglien RD
To quote a poster earlier in this thread: "and a case of vasoline because the Jets get taken in that deal".

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