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08-15-2012, 05:43 PM
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He's played a grand total of 73 games over the last three seasons (including playoffs).

If that's not a disappointment to you as a Habs fan, then I don't know what to say.
Its less a disappointing campaign and more "just disappointing". Its hard do say he had a disappointing campaign if he didn't really play at all. He still has a lot of questions, but its hard to blame him for getting injured.

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08-15-2012, 05:59 PM
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Its less a disappointing campaign and more "just disappointing". Its hard do say he had a disappointing campaign if he didn't really play at all. He still has a lot of questions, but its hard to blame him for getting injured.
Exactly. I'm as disappointed as the next Habs fan that Marky's had such a rough ride, but calling his season disappointing is a bit of an insult to him as he barely had time to have a season, much less that he came into the season over halfway into it directly after rehab. There was no time for him to really get into game-shape, and he was played solely for the purpose of getting some action to get some info on how much more work he needed to do in the off-season. If one wants to say it's sad that he couldn't play more, well I'm on board with that.

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08-15-2012, 06:16 PM
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Giving the chance to Markov to come bak healthy is a gamble that habs have to take. The few games he played at the end of last year are not really relevent to juge him at thi point.


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08-15-2012, 06:19 PM
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Markov for Morrow is interesting. Not saying I'd do it but we can argue the little + all we want but it seems like a fair deal value wise. In both of the players defense, their value isn't at it's peak. If markov plays a mere 40 games at his old level his increases already but RIGHT NOW? yah, seems about fair. Just a case of habs fan maybe saying no as markov has no where to go but up in terms of value.

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08-15-2012, 06:39 PM
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Markov for Morrow is interesting. Not saying I'd do it but we can argue the little + all we want but it seems like a fair deal value wise. In both of the players defense, their value isn't at it's peak. If markov plays a mere 40 games at his old level his increases already but RIGHT NOW? yah, seems about fair. Just a case of habs fan maybe saying no as markov has no where to go but up in terms of value.
This is an intriguing idea, and I would say that the Stars position on Morrow is exactly the same as yours is on Markov. I would do it because Markov can bring something the Stars lack, but it is a pretty big risk for both sides.

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08-15-2012, 07:18 PM
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If Montreal had the chance to dump Kaberle's salary they would. Don't know why Dallas would take the deal.

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08-16-2012, 12:20 AM
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Dallas has no interest in Kaberle. I know Morrow had a down year, but trading him for a guy that has played 65 games (regular season) over the past 3 seasons does not make any sense.

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08-16-2012, 02:52 PM
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If Montreal had the chance to dump Kaberle's salary they would. Don't know why Dallas would take the deal.
Have to agree here

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08-16-2012, 04:33 PM
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We're trotting out worse garbage than Kaberle on our blueline currently, and Vincour is basically a waste of oxygen. I'd at least consider it.

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08-19-2012, 08:23 PM
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To Montreal: Tomas Vincour and mid-round pick

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To Dallas: Tomas Kaberle/Andrei Markov
No chance that we would trade Markov for Vincour.
Actually i wouldn't trade Kabs for him.The guy wouldn't even creck our lineup.At least Kabs is good for 30-40 pts.
Dallas can keep their maybe 3rd liner.

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08-19-2012, 09:28 PM
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Anything for Kaberle.

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08-19-2012, 10:12 PM
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no way vincour ever puts up 40, 95% chance he never puts up 30. Dude has a good frame and uses it decently but that is about it. He has hands of stone and unless Jagr can rub some of his magic on his countryman it'll stay that way.

vincour is easily replaceable

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08-19-2012, 10:21 PM
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Markov is what could put us into Cup contention.. I'm sorry but no... Vincour would put us into wondering when to fire bergy.

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Markov is what could put us into Cup contention.. I'm sorry but no... Vincour would put us into wondering when to fire bergy.
We need more then Markov to win the SC...

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08-19-2012, 10:40 PM
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no way vincour ever puts up 40, 95% chance he never puts up 30. Dude has a good frame and uses it decently but that is about it. He has hands of stone and unless Jagr can rub some of his magic on his countryman it'll stay that way.

vincour is easily replaceable
He's scored good numbers in the AHL and is only 21. He generates scoring chances and is good at puck possession. All he needs to do is work on his shot and he could be a good player.

I think people forget how young he is and his play in the AHL.

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08-20-2012, 10:18 AM
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We need more then Markov to win the SC...
You'll remember soon enough what Andrei Markov is.

Healthy Markov suddenly makes Patches a 40 goal scorer, Cole a 35, Bourque a 30 AND more.

Adding Markov to the team is the equivalent of adding another #1 C.

Might want to look at the last team that had a Great Goaltender, 2 number 1 D and an average Offense ( Ours might just be better.) It's not too far from it isnt it ?

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08-20-2012, 10:28 AM
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...Healthy Markov suddenly makes Patches a 40 goal scorer, Cole a 35, Bourque a 30 AND more...
I'm happy to have Markov back as well but that's a bit of a stretch ain't it?

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08-20-2012, 10:33 AM
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I'm happy to have Markov back as well but that's a bit of a stretch ain't it?
It's a stretch because he likely won't be what he was..

But if you remember correctly, Markov was a top 3 Dman in the league 3 years from now..

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It's a stretch because he likely won't be what he was..

But if you remember correctly, Markov was a top 3 Dman in the league 3 years from now..
I was referring to your assumption that a healthy Markov turns Pacioretty into a 40 goal scorer, Cole 35, Bourque 30, and more (as you said).

Maybe if all five of the opposing teams players circle Markov on the ice leaving Pacioretty, Cole, Bourque, Moen and everyone else all alone....... Prust I'm guessing will score a good 20 goals in that scenario as well.

Considering there were all of four 40 goals scorers last year (Stamkos, Malkin, Gaborik, and Neal), I doubt a healthy Markov will automatically propel Pacioretty into 40 goal territory.

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I was referring to your assumption that a healthy Markov turns Pacioretty into a 40 goal scorer, Cole 35, Bourque 30, and more (as you said).

Maybe if all five of the opposing teams players circle Markov on the ice leaving Pacioretty, Cole, Bourque, Moen and everyone else all alone....... Prust I'm guessing will score a good 20 goals in that scenario as well.

Considering there were all of four 40 goals scorers last year (Stamkos, Malkin, Gaborik, and Neal), I doubt a healthy Markov will automatically propel Pacioretty into 40 goal territory.
Patches will play first PP, Markov will play first PP.

If your remember well Patches, if he had not slumped for no apparent reason, would have hitted 40 pretty easily.

Cole already scored 35 without him so why not.

Transition game.

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08-20-2012, 11:19 AM
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Patches will play first PP, Markov will play first PP.

If your remember well Patches, if he had not slumped for no apparent reason, would have hitted 40 pretty easily.

Cole already scored 35 without him so why not.

Transition game.
So Prust will score 20 because he hasn't played with Markov yet? Colby Armstrong will score 30 (hey he scored 22 four years ago!) because he hasn't played with Markov?

Why not right!

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So Prust will score 20 because he hasn't played with Markov yet? Colby Armstrong will score 30 (hey he scored 22 four years ago!) because he hasn't played with Markov?

Why not right!
Wow, you could not have made a weirdest assumption...

We had a miserable PP, Patches had only 4 goals on the PP.. Wouldnt you consider Markov being a factor in him scoring more on the PP ?

I don't even want to argue with you sorry, you made up things and put them in my mouth..

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Wow, you could not have made a weirdest assumption...

We had a miserable PP, Patches had only 4 goals on the PP.. Wouldnt you consider Markov being a factor in him scoring more on the PP ?

I don't even want to argue with you sorry, you made up things and put them in my mouth..
I did not make anything up, I followed your previous statements.

"Healthy Markov suddenly makes Patches a 40 goal scorer, Cole a 35, Bourque a 30 AND more"

"Cole already scored 35 without him so why not."

I read these statements as follows:
'A healthy Markov increases everyone's goal totals'
"Cole already scored 35 without [Markov] so why not."

Thus implying that Markov's presence alone automatically will increase a player's goal totals.

If that is not what you meant, then my apologies for misunderstanding you.

I would be thrilled if Pacioretty would score 40 goals next season. Do I think it will happen because Markov is (currently) healthy? No. I think Pacioretty will be around the same mark as last year. Mid-thirties in goals scored.

I'm sorry if my opinion is different from yours.

Oh and regarding the OP, Dallas says no, Montreal says no.

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You'll remember soon enough what Andrei Markov is.

Healthy Markov suddenly makes Patches a 40 goal scorer, Cole a 35, Bourque a 30 AND more.

Adding Markov to the team is the equivalent of adding another #1 C.

Might want to look at the last team that had a Great Goaltender, 2 number 1 D and an average Offense ( Ours might just be better.) It's not too far from it isnt it ?


Shea Weber and Chara couldnt do that. Together.

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I know this is OT, but how the hell is a guy who has managed to play 65 games over the past 3 seasons (39 pt's) supposed to make that big of an impact on MTL? Did I mention he's 33?

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