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08-13-2012, 05:07 PM
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You clearly need to read the articles in the OP again.





http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20088051.html

Sorry to burst your bubble.
It sounds like Feaster may just be forced to hang onto him if he has high expectations on return.

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08-13-2012, 05:22 PM
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I dont see Bouwmeester going to Philly unless Couturier goes the other way. Philly wont do that. I see them either making a simple trade or signing Hannen or Coli.

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08-13-2012, 05:25 PM
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It sounds like Feaster may just be forced to hang onto him if he has high expectations on return.
Oh how awful..we might have to keep our #1 D-man and see how he does under an offensive-minded coach.

Please spare us the horror.

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08-13-2012, 05:27 PM
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What does Holmgren have to do with a HFB thread? The link at the top of the thread does nothing more then speculate that the Flyers might be interested due to injuries.
Yeah I don't understand the Bouwmeester trade rumours. The Flames moves this offseason (Wideman, Hudler) would make it seem like they are trying to be competitive. Trading Bouwmeester would be a step backwards. Wideman just cannot replace him.

It's still possible Bouwmeester will be moved, but I'm really not convinced.

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08-13-2012, 05:31 PM
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Oh how awful..we might have to keep our #1 D-man and see how he does under an offensive-minded coach.

Please spare us the horror.
Agreed. I can't see that the assets you get back would improve the team. And there are only two more years of that contract outstanding. You could always hang on and sign him at a reduced rate when it expires.

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08-13-2012, 06:39 PM
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You clearly need to read the articles in the OP again.





http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20088051.html

Sorry to burst your bubble.
I'll believe TSN staff over those guys.
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Define a first and a prospect. The first could have been a top 10 pick. The prospect could be any player that has not yet played a full season in the NHL. It could have been a sliding combination of both where the pick moves lower based on the prospect included or the expectation of the prospect moves lower with a high pick. So by rights Feaster could have meant a top 10 pick and a good prospect, or a late first round pick and a bluechip player on the verge. So as an example, it could have been to Pittsburgh for the number 9 pick and Brian Dumoulin or it could have been the number 20 pick and Brayden Schenn. See how a first and a prospect works? Both would be substantial pieces moving forward.
If I remember correctly, it was a late first

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08-13-2012, 06:54 PM
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Why dont you read the four words after the part that you bolded before you try to make someone look foolish.

Unless you think CGY should settle for Read or Gustafsson or picks for Bouwmeester, there is nothing wrong with the statement he made.

Some Flyers fans need to cool it with the reactions. It's as if seeing Couturier's name makes you lose your ****.
Yep.

I dunno why Flames fans all of a sudden think we need Couts back in a package for Bouw..

Its just illogical for Philly. Maybe, MAYBE if we add a real good piece to Bouw like..Backlund;

We could start looking at a trade like:

Bouw
Backlund
3rd

for

Schenn
Mezaros

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Bouw by himself should return a good package, and maybe that makes Philly a bad trading partner for us. I just don't know where this idea is coming from that Couts has to be coming back in a package for Bouw though, its just a pipedream.

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08-13-2012, 08:07 PM
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If I remember correctly, it was a late first
Then I think you would have to safely say that the expectation would be a bluechip player ready to contribute, which for Flyers would likely be Schenn or Couturier. Not saying it is right or wrong, just saying that would likely be the expectation, and rightly so. You don't give away defensemen that can contribute 25+ minutes a night against the other team's best players.

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08-13-2012, 09:39 PM
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I'll believe TSN staff over those guys.


If I remember correctly, it was a late first
TSN Staff? Could I see a link please?

I never saw a rumor around Bouwmeester at the draft that was from a reliable source. If there was one, I would like to see it.

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08-13-2012, 10:17 PM
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Schenn
It isn't impossible, but I would wager unlikely, that now that both Schenns are in Philadelphia, that only one gets moved.

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08-14-2012, 07:42 AM
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Just look at the team as a whole. Miles ahead of the Flames for the present and future. Bouwmeester would be nice to have but he has nowhere near the value of Couturier.
There it is again. "nowhere near the value". One guy has been a good player in this league for several years the other guy is going into his sophomore season off a 27 point freshman year. Couturier projects well but these kinds of statements are ridiculous. Let him actually prove it before saying like this. We get it; you guys think he's great but the key is you think. Objectively, he has to actually put up the numbers to prove he's not just another Sammy Paulsson.

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We get it; you guys think he's great but the key is you think. Objectively, he has to actually put up the numbers to prove he's not just another Sammy Paulsson.
That's not what value is about, though. If his GM thinks he's that great, as well, that's all it takes. I'd assume that many GMs think he'll be pretty great, so that's pretty decent value. Potential simply has very real value around the league, as can be seen in most trades. What someone has or hasn't done is important, but it's far from the only consideration, and when it comes to such young guys it is - for obvious reasons - not a primary one.

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08-14-2012, 08:33 AM
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Why dont you read the four words after the part that you bolded before you try to make someone look foolish.

Unless you think CGY should settle for Read or Gustafsson or picks for Bouwmeester, there is nothing wrong with the statement he made.

Some Flyers fans need to cool it with the reactions. It's as if seeing Couturier's name makes you lose your ****.
I love this post very much. More of this attitude is needed around here.

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There it is again. "nowhere near the value". One guy has been a good player in this league for several years the other guy is going into his sophomore season off a 27 point freshman year. Couturier projects well but these kinds of statements are ridiculous. Let him actually prove it before saying like this. We get it; you guys think he's great but the key is you think. Objectively, he has to actually put up the numbers to prove he's not just another Sammy Paulsson.
As someone already said, "value" doesn't necessarily have to be defined as "what have you done" the meaning of the word in this case is subjective.

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Flames have the better goaltender and defencemen, Flyers have the better forwards. Plus we have Baertschi, Gaudreau, Jankowski, etc. in the pipeline.

I would hardly call that "miles ahead."
Calgary-last 3 years-3 missed playoffs
Philly-last 3 years-1 cup final, 2 years both being in final 8

Miles ahead...yup!

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Oh how awful..we might have to keep our #1 D-man and see how he does under an offensive-minded coach.

Please spare us the horror.
Maybe this is the year that your #1 D-man gets more than 30 points for you. And maybe your #1 D-man gets to play in the playoffs for the first time in 10 NHL seasons. Maybe.

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Why dont you read the four words after the part that you bolded before you try to make someone look foolish.

Unless you think CGY should settle for Read or Gustafsson or picks for Bouwmeester, there is nothing wrong with the statement he made.

Some Flyers fans need to cool it with the reactions. It's as if seeing Couturier's name makes you lose your ****.
no its more like, couturier isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name

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no its more like, couturier isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name
Waybackmachine to 2010

"no its more like, richards isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name"

immediately followed by

"no its more like, carter isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name"


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Waybackmachine to 2010

"no its more like, richards isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name"

immediately followed by

"no its more like, carter isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name"

Somebody else explained this also but I will have a go at it too. Mike Richards and Jeff Carter had plenty of controversy surrounding them in Philly. Rumors of partying to much and also rumors about them not getting along with the head coach. Homer even took them for drives in his car to clear the air between management and them. He also wanted to clear their minds by doing that. They had attitude problems while in Philly, moving them might have been the best thing for those two players.

Couts is 19 and was a projected 1st overall pick for a good portion of his junior career. Flyers felt like they struck gold when he was there at 8th overall for them to select. We have yet to hear anything about his "attitude" or any other rumblings. Both of these players also(Schenn and Couturier) were acquired in trading Carts, and Richie, I believe management is going to give them more than one year to take us to the promised land. All in all these two situations don't even resemble themselves, so let's leave Carter and Richards out of these conversations please.

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Waybackmachine to 2010

"no its more like, richards isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name"

immediately followed by

"no its more like, carter isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name"

No one ever said that about Carter. There was plenty of evidence of Carter being shopped before, actually. Richards was the only player we didn't think would be traded. He was great all around and had a 12 year deal.

Don't be so critical

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Waybackmachine to 2010

"no its more like, richards isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name"


I agree with your point 100%.

I also don't think the flyers will move Couts anytime soon but down the road...you never know.

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There it is again. "nowhere near the value". One guy has been a good player in this league for several years the other guy is going into his sophomore season off a 27 point freshman year. Couturier projects well but these kinds of statements are ridiculous. Let him actually prove it before saying like this. We get it; you guys think he's great but the key is you think. Objectively, he has to actually put up the numbers to prove he's not just another Sammy Paulsson.
By these standards, any player taken in the past few drafts and havent played an NHL game yet dont have much value at all. I think most NHL GMs and most people who follow the NHL (or any other sport for that matter) disagree with you.

I do want to throw this out there on the Couturier thing. Snider IS IN LOVE with the kid. Direct quotes from him stating how he can't wait to see how he progresses in the future and how tremendous he did this past season as a 18/19 yr old. Snider would easily block a trade involving Couturier.

Also, dont know if this was said, but since the word around was that Homer didnt trade Couturier/Schenn for Weber, why would he trade them for Jbo?

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no its more like, couturier isnt going anywhere so why even mention his name
Because it's a trade rumor forum, so people are going to name players they would want back in a trade. It doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but it isn't as if only Flyers fans get to pick which players are not available on their team. Couts probably isn't going anywhere because he is that important to Holmgren's plan. JBo probably isn't going anywhere because he is important to Feaster's plan. People are still going to discuss it. It's the summer. We're hockey fans. It's what we do.

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Here we go again

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very credible source informed me the Flyers have put in "significant" offer for Bouwmeester.Source sais this could push Wings out of picture
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Source " Wings had a very good offer on table, Calgary counteroffered. Flyers offer could end Flames Talks with Det. Offer is that good"
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I would like to discuss who the hell that guy is.

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