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Sharks invite Samsonov to training camp?

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08-21-2012, 10:47 PM
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Because he's Russian?

Samsonov has been significantly Americanized.
His wife is from Michigan, very little chance he moves outside the state, unless it is to play hockey.

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08-21-2012, 10:55 PM
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If I'm Couture's agent, and the Sharks decide to move Logan off the Sharks second line and onto the THIRD line in favor of adding a 34 year old, didn'y-play-in-the-NHL-last-year Sergei Freaking Samsonov, you'd better bet the next contract negotiations are gonna be a doozy.

If I'm a Shark fan, seeing Couture moved to the 3rd line as a result of adding Samsonov is probably going to spoil my month.

Almost any proposal that sees Couture as the 3rd line center is inherently faulty, IMO. If you're adamant in moving Marleau off Thornton's wing and moving him to center, he'd drop to the #3C spot, IMO. Or he'd be Couture's winger on the 2nd line.

Also: your left wing depth chart would be Wingels / Samsonov / Clowe? Wingels as your 1st line LW? TOMMY Wingels? I can't imagine a better way to alienate Clowe and lose him as a UFA.
Pavelski played on the third line the season before last and had his best statistical season. The general idea would be to go with 3 equally balanced scoring lines, who plays on which line would be determined in camp and through chemistry. Samsonov, though not a perfect solution could possibly bring some scoring to the third or fill in a spot on one of the top two allowing a top 6 to drop down and make the third an affective scoring threat.

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Because he's Russian?

Samsonov has been significantly Americanized.
Yeah, Samsonov has been in the US since he joined the Detroit Vipers back in 1996-97. He's probably settled in North America by now.

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08-21-2012, 11:00 PM
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His wife is from Michigan, very little chance he moves outside the state, unless it is to play hockey.
Surprised he didn't catch on with Detroit at some point, what with their love of Russian players and reclamation projects.

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08-22-2012, 12:44 AM
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Personally, I'm sick of people, especially non-Sharks fans, acting like Couture is jesus. The reality is that he's just not that good.
So what would it take to acquire him, then?

29 other teams are waiting with baited breath to initiate trade talks with San Jose about Couture if the honest-to-goodness consensus in San Jose is that "he's just not that good".

Zibanejad + a 1st rounder. That's quite a deal for a guy who is "just not that good". Ottawa makes that deal all day, every day. We'd probably mess our pants to get Couture.

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Always liked Samsonov, hope he finds a home again in the NHL.

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So what would it take to acquire him, then?

29 other teams are waiting with baited breath to initiate trade talks with San Jose about Couture if the honest-to-goodness consensus in San Jose is that "he's just not that good".

Zibanejad + a 1st rounder. That's quite a deal for a guy who is "just not that good". Ottawa makes that deal all day, every day. We'd probably mess our pants to get Couture.
He is a very good player. He just won't be an elite 1st line center. He will be a very good 2nd line center and would be a very good 1st line LW, if given the chance.

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So what would it take to acquire him, then?

29 other teams are waiting with baited breath to initiate trade talks with San Jose about Couture if the honest-to-goodness consensus in San Jose is that "he's just not that good".

Zibanejad + a 1st rounder. That's quite a deal for a guy who is "just not that good". Ottawa makes that deal all day, every day. We'd probably mess our pants to get Couture.
By "not that good", we usually mean that he'll probably not be an elite/great 1st line center. He may be an average 1st line center, or great 2nd line center, or a great 1st line winger. That seems to be the general opinion on the Sharks boards. Maybe we've been spoiled by Thornton but that's how it seems.

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So what would it take to acquire him, then?

29 other teams are waiting with baited breath to initiate trade talks with San Jose about Couture if the honest-to-goodness consensus in San Jose is that "he's just not that good".

Zibanejad + a 1st rounder. That's quite a deal for a guy who is "just not that good". Ottawa makes that deal all day, every day. We'd probably mess our pants to get Couture.
By "not that good" I mean never going to be a 1st line center. He'll be one of the best #2C's in the league, and he could be a #1LW if the org wanted to convert him to wing full-time, but I've seen some non-Sharks fans who think he's better than Marleau or Thornton when the reality is he just doesn't have that talent.

"Not that good" doesn't mean he can't be a consistent 70 point player in his prime. I just means that he's not the future #1C that this team needs. Thornton and Marleau are on a different level, and I'd say that Pavelski is better than Couture right now.

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Tomas Hertl has the potential to be our future #1 center.

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By "not that good", we usually mean that he'll probably not be an elite/great 1st line center. He may be an average 1st line center, or great 2nd line center, or a great 1st line winger. That seems to be the general opinion on the Sharks boards. Maybe we've been spoiled by Thornton but that's how it seems.
You should probably find a better way to say that, then. Looking at the Sharks roster, a guy like TJ Galiardi falls into the "not very good" category. Couture falls into the "young, still developing consistent 60+ point centerman" category.

Couture is already a 1st line center on a handful of NHL teams, and he's not even done developing. The Leafs would probably trade you their entire 2013 draft + "Kadri and Franson" (haha, the usual Leafs trade proposal subjects) for him. At least.

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You should probably find a better way to say that, then. Looking at the Sharks roster, a guy like TJ Galiardi falls into the "not very good" category. Couture falls into the "young, still developing consistent 60+ point centerman" category.

Couture is already a 1st line center on a handful of NHL teams, and he's not even done developing. The Leafs would probably trade you their entire 2013 draft + "Kadri and Franson" (haha, the usual Leafs trade proposal subjects) for him. At least.
So is Pavelski, but that doesn't make him a good 1st line center. He won't be a good 1st line center. He will be like Pavs. Elite 2nd line center and average to below average first line center. If he is changed to LW, he has a good chance to be a very good top line LW.

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Tomas Hertl has the potential to be our future #1 center.
I don't think many of us labour under that delusion. I'd say the kid can be a good #2C who's big and a strong playmaker, kind of the opposite of Couture, who's smallish and shoot-first.

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You should probably find a better way to say that, then. Looking at the Sharks roster, a guy like TJ Galiardi falls into the "not very good" category. Couture falls into the "young, still developing consistent 60+ point centerman" category.

Couture is already a 1st line center on a handful of NHL teams, and he's not even done developing. The Leafs would probably trade you their entire 2013 draft + "Kadri and Franson" (haha, the usual Leafs trade proposal subjects) for him. At least.
"Not that good" as in not as good as everyone makes him out to be. Like in the HF's top-60 poll he made it in before a lot of guys he shouldn't have beat out.

Yeah, he'd be the #1 on a few teams (Cbus, Nashville, Calgary, Toronto, Buffalo, Florida, Winnipeg, off the top of my head, although I'd put an argument in for Grabovski and Weiss, and mention that Huberdeau will be better that Couture). But being the #1 on teams with very weak center depth doesn't make you a #1C.

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So what would it take to acquire him, then?

29 other teams are waiting with baited breath to initiate trade talks with San Jose about Couture if the honest-to-goodness consensus in San Jose is that "he's just not that good".

Zibanejad + a 1st rounder. That's quite a deal for a guy who is "just not that good". Ottawa makes that deal all day, every day. We'd probably mess our pants to get Couture.
He's "just not that good" when you compare him to Thornton and Marleau.

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He's "just not that good" when you compare him to Thornton and Marleau.
Exactly. Couture is more than capable of being a solid #1 center. People around here are just insanely doom and gloom. Nothing Couture has done so far has shown anything but 1st line potential. Did he need two 40 goal seasons or something to convince people?

Our next #1 center is not going to be as good as Thornton, that's just how it is. We are lucky we have a player as good as Couture to take those reigns, it could be a lot worse.

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