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08-22-2012, 02:07 PM
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To add to this. It's not even about who is about the best player. Edler becomes a UFA in one year. Kane has three more years. Lock up Edler on a long term contract and things may change.

Edler's contract is an absolute steal for one year, but does not change the fact he has the option to walk after that year. Teams will be, as a result, less likely to give up large assets.
Maybe. I don't really buy that a new contract changes this, though. A player of Kane's caliber is simply more valuable than a #2 defenseman. I just can't see an argument against this.

One thing this thread does show, once again, is that Kane has become incredibly underrated on HF once again. It's funny how cyclical these things are.

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08-22-2012, 02:15 PM
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I think when all's said and done, though, Kane and Edler make a similar impact to a team. Despite us being shut down in he Kings' series, and Edler was off his game, he still got 2 goals. From a pure hockey trade point of view, with Edler and Kane making similar impacts, I'd rather have the security of Luongo on the bench than Hjalmarsson.

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08-23-2012, 12:08 AM
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Calling Edler a 2/3 defenseman is like calling Kane a 2/3 line tweener.
LOL whut? Unless there is something I am missing, to compare a defenseman the caliber of Edler to a proven winner in Patrick Kane is almost laughable. I dont see Edler taking on the task of trying to stop another teams top line and see him more as a power play specialist who hits on occasion. A taller Brian Campbell lite, if you will without the elite skating or vision.
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Why exactly is it you feel he isn't a number 1 defenseman?
The simple fact that he isnt better then either of the top pairing on the Hawks? Is he a top pairing defenseman on the Canucks? Sure he is, but that says more about them then it does about the Hawks. To get an elite talent such as Patrick Kane, the onus would be to upgrade your team with an actual upgrade, and there isnt one in Edler over Keith or Seabrook, which might be the best top pairing in all of the NHL. Throw in Lu, and his horrid contract, and while thats a clear upgrade in net for the Hawks, doesnt do them anything positive in reguards to the salary cap.

Not that Patrick Kane would be traded, but if he were to be traded to the Canucks, it would be for a much, much better package then that.

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08-23-2012, 12:17 AM
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LOL whut? Unless there is something I am missing, to compare a defenseman the caliber of Edler to a proven winner in Patrick Kane is almost laughable. I dont see Edler taking on the task of trying to stop another teams top line and see him more as a power play specialist who hits on occasion. A taller Brian Campbell lite, if you will without the elite skating or vision.

The simple fact that he isnt better then either of the top pairing on the Hawks? Is he a top pairing defenseman on the Canucks? Sure he is, but that says more about them then it does about the Hawks. To get an elite talent such as Patrick Kane, the onus would be to upgrade your team with an actual upgrade, and there isnt one in Edler over Keith or Seabrook, which might be the best top pairing in all of the NHL. Throw in Lu, and his horrid contract, and while thats a clear upgrade in net for the Hawks, doesnt do them anything positive in reguards to the salary cap.

Not that Patrick Kane would be traded, but if he were to be traded to the Canucks, it would be for a much, much better package then that.
1) That Seabrook is better than Edler is debateable
2) By your logic I can say neither Keith nor Seabrook were number 1 dmen last year, because both of Nashville's top pairing dmen were better. Yes Keith-Seabrook is a fantastic pairing. It doesn't make Edler a worse player, just like I wouldn't call Kane a 2nd-line player just because he would play on our 2nd line.

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08-23-2012, 12:29 AM
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1) That Seabrook is better than Edler is debateable
Not to me.
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2) By your logic I can say neither Keith nor Seabrook were number 1 dmen last year, because both of Nashville's top pairing dmen were better.
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Yes Keith-Seabrook is a fantastic pairing.
This is true.
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It doesn't make Edler a worse player,
If you are trading one of the best RW's in the game, you better be getting something of value to upgrade your team. Edler isnt an upgrade to either Seabrook and especially Keith while Kane is a huge upgrade to the RW depth on the Canucks.
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just like I wouldn't call Kane a 2nd-line player just because he would play on our 2nd line.
LOL
If you put Kane on wing to Kesler the Canucks would have two number one lines.Thats the difference. Edler doesnt give the Hawks that much of a impact on a second pairing.Not to mention that Kane suddenly becomes the best RW on the Canucks, while Edler is nowhere near Seabrook or Keith, imo, on the Hawks.

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08-23-2012, 12:44 AM
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Not to me.

(scratches head)

This is true.

If you are trading one of the best RW's in the game, you better be getting something of value to upgrade your team. Edler isnt an upgrade to either Seabrook and especially Keith while Kane is a huge upgrade to the RW depth on the Canucks.
LOL
If you put Kane on wing to Kesler the Canucks would have two number one lines.Thats the difference. Edler doesnt give the Hawks that much of a impact on a second pairing.Not to mention that Kane suddenly becomes the best RW on the Canucks, while Edler is nowhere near Seabrook or Keith, imo, on the Hawks.
At the end of the day you are trading one of the best RW in the game for one of the best LD in the game. From the Canucks' standpoint, we trade one fantastic top 4 defenseman for one fantastic top-6 winger, which is a wash, imo. I believe we could get a better return for Luongo than just Hjalmarsson. That is why I would not do this deal. And I'm perfectly alright that Blackhawks fans wouldn't either.

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08-23-2012, 01:42 AM
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At the end of the day you are trading one of the best RW in the game for one of the best LD in the game. From the Canucks' standpoint, we trade one fantastic top 4 defenseman for one fantastic top-6 winger, which is a wash, imo. I believe we could get a better return for Luongo than just Hjalmarsson. That is why I would not do this deal. And I'm perfectly alright that Blackhawks fans wouldn't either.
Except Edler isn't one of the best LD in the game. Us Canuck fans overrate him way too much, his underlying stats aren't that impressive.

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08-23-2012, 05:31 AM
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Kane has a higher value for the fact that he is signed past next season...

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I would just Do Luongo and Connauton for Kane and Beach

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