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08-22-2012, 01:27 PM
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If Bryz has a repeat of last year or gets injured Leighton will be a complete disaster as a stopgap measure. He has proven time and time again he IS NOT NHL material. He will do so again....start guessing now who we will have to bring in here next season if something should go awry with Bryz.....

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I see people are still optimistic that in case of an emergency, this team can repeat what they did in 2010. Seriously people? Leighton was a bad goalie then. I mean, at no point did he honestly look like a good goalie. He was dragged along and babysat by a very defensively talented roster playing out of their damned minds because they knew they didn't have a real NHL goalie. At no point did Leighton show that, for more than perhaps a half period at a time, could he bail out the team. He showed that he was good at being bailed out.

You know what we don't have anymore? Richards, Carter, Gagne, Lappy, Betts, Powe, and that Pronger guy. Team defense in 2010-11 was not the quality that it was the year before, and we saw 3 instances of Leighton performing and utterly failing behind it. It's gotten worse since then.

What makes anybody believe that Leighton could carry this team, when his entire success was based on the team carrying him? We don't have a defense capable of doing that.

Signing this guy as the backup was a really stupid move. Not as stupid as signing him to be the starter, but it's still bad. If anything happens to Bryz, we are screwed. There is no safety net.

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The team was ok last year during the regular season with Bryz playing like **** AND Bob playing like ****. Even if Bryz goes down and the D sucks, Leighton isn't going to be much worse, if at all, than what we got for 90% of the season last year. If any team's starting goalie goes down for the season, you can bank on it being a slim to none chance of doing anything in the playoffs anyway. Dude is a backup. He plays like a backup, and his stats are backup stats. Get over it.

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Leighton was a good First Save goalie in 2010, and thats about it. He was big and in position for the most part, and the D protected him by getting to his rebounds before the other team did. His lateral movement and rebound control are awful

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Lets get some context here. Leighton was essentially signed as a plan C or worse in some eyes including mine backup goalie b/c he was cheap and Holmgren thought or hoped we might land one of the big time D free agents (Suter or Weber) and shore up the D so that if something went wrong with Bryz it could be manageable. Well much to most Flyer's fans disappointment or outright horror that did NOT happen so now we have a D by committee with lots of unknowns that might not be all that great with Bryz in net let alone Leighton. We better hope to hell Bryz is ready for a big workload and that last year is an anomaly chalked up to transition...

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Leighton was a good First Save goalie in 2010, and thats about it. He was big and in position for the most part, and the D protected him by getting to his rebounds before the other team did. His lateral movement and rebound control are awful
Yup...he was good with a very conscientious D ..or at least the top 4 D men we had which included a monster Pronger. Once the top 4 wore down and Pronger's knee was janked up by the finals Leighton was exposed as the junk he is....

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Hahaha. Yeah. He's such a good NHL backup he's spent the majority of his career in the AHL.

You should look at his numbers as a backup since the lockout and after removing his anomaly year with us where he was helped tremendously. He doesn't have good backup numbers. Which is why he averaged about 7 starts a year outside of his fluke year. It's also why he has 156 starts in the AHL, compared to his 35 in the NHL since the lockout, and ignoring the anomaly. He isn't an NHL player. He isn't an NHL backup. Signing him to be an NHL backup is a stupid move.

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08-22-2012, 04:27 PM
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The team was ok last year during the regular season with Bryz playing like **** AND Bob playing like ****. Even if Bryz goes down and the D sucks, Leighton isn't going to be much worse, if at all, than what we got for 90% of the season last year. If any team's starting goalie goes down for the season, you can bank on it being a slim to none chance of doing anything in the playoffs anyway. Dude is a backup. He plays like a backup, and his stats are backup stats. Get over it.
He's a third string goalie. When you spend the majority of your career in the AHL at the age of 31 you're not a NHL talent. The only time he has had respectable numbers is the two seasons he was able to get a string of starts in a row. He posted a .907 save percentage those 2 years (which was driven by the flukey season in 2010). His save percentage the rest of the time is .892. He has never been able to handle a backup role where he is going to get spot starts. Can he even keep up with the speed of the NHL after spending the last two seasons in the AHL?

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There's some very good D1 goalies who read this board...that's about the level Leighton is at.
With an answer like that, it's patently obvious you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. If Leighton wasn't signed here, another team would have surely picked him up, meanwhile less than 1% of todays D1 goalies will ever play in 1 NHL game, let alone have a career as a professional in the US.

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He has? If anything, he's proven the opposite. Unfortunately he let in some awful goals on a stage that he's not made for and everyone feels that overwrites what he accomplished in the regular season. It's a tad bit sensationalistic.

I'm quite sure the Flyers WOULDN'T have made the playoffs if it wasn't for Leighton. If I recall, he came in during the West Coast trip that season, when the team couldnt score ****ing goals. Leights kept every game close, whether we won it or lost it, he gave them a chance to win.

Now as a preface, and I've said this dozens of times...the defense played at a ridiculous level with Leighton behind them, and I truly believe BECAUSE he was behind them. I've never seen defense like the Flyers played in that last 1/3rd of the season. But Leights stopped the pucks he needed to stop to allow the team to succeed...until the Final.

Stop making sense and using those pesky facts.

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08-22-2012, 10:17 PM
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With an answer like that, it's patently obvious you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. If Leighton wasn't signed here, another team would have surely picked him up, meanwhile less than 1% of todays D1 goalies will ever play in 1 NHL game, let alone have a career as a professional in the US.
yep, youre right about that. All of those teams jumped all over him for half the price when he went through waivers. good call

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I hate Leighton as much as the next guy, but AHL All-Star goalie >>>>>D1 goalie
The best three or four goalies in college hockey are pretty sick. Most of those guys, even if they're not objectively superior to Leighton, don't have one single glaring hole in their game that you could drive a dump truck through (that would be his mobility and five hole).

Also, the defense in Adirondack really wasn't too shabby that he was playing behind (as far as AHL defenses go). They may not have had a lot of high end potential, but a lot of those guys have shown well at the NHL level. Gus, MAB, Marshall, Syvret.

Leighton sucks bro.

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With an answer like that, it's patently obvious you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. If Leighton wasn't signed here, another team would have surely picked him up, meanwhile less than 1% of todays D1 goalies will ever play in 1 NHL game, let alone have a career as a professional in the US.
There are a lot of good goalies in D1 hockey that do not have (in scout's eyes at least) the ability to progress further and develop an NHL game. There are college goalies every year who are not given professional opportunities in North America that do go to their collegiate peers who may have had inferior seasons, but are seen as having more upside. Then again there are a lot of collegiate goalies who have turned into great NHL talents, so there is talent at the position in the D1 ranks, and not all of the best goalies make it to pro leagues.

I stand by my statement, the best D1 goalie to post on/read the boards this year could probably put together a better season at the NHL level than Michael Leighton. The 60 goalies with roster spots in the NHL are not the 60 best goalies in the world. Believe that. Brian Boucher and Michael Leighton still having jobs really ought to bring that point home. AHL and sometimes NHL back-up spots are not always awarded on current ability, more often upside has a lot to do with it.

Leighton is still a bad NHL goalie. Nice guy, does his best, and I don't wish him any misfortune...but he sucks. That's a fact.

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He's a third string goalie. When you spend the majority of your career in the AHL at the age of 31 you're not a NHL talent. The only time he has had respectable numbers is the two seasons he was able to get a string of starts in a row. He posted a .907 save percentage those 2 years (which was driven by the flukey season in 2010). His save percentage the rest of the time is .892. He has never been able to handle a backup role where he is going to get spot starts. Can he even keep up with the speed of the NHL after spending the last two seasons in the AHL?
Flukey season? Leighton has played in 104 NHL games. He has played only three seasons in which he has played more than 19 games (34 in 2003-04, 34 in 2009-10, and 19 in 2008-09). In each of those three seasons his save percentage was over .900 for the year. That is a total of 87 games. Factor in the eight that he played his first time in the league in 2002-03 when he also put up a .913 save percentage and you have a total of 92 games with a save percentage above .900. But yeah, the other 12 games of his career are the REAL stats and his other numbers are a fluke.

He's a backup goalie with backup stats. His numbers won't be great, but neither are 90% of the backup goalies in the league. That's why they are backups.

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Flukey season? Leighton has played in 104 NHL games. He has played only three seasons in which he has played more than 19 games (34 in 2003-04, 34 in 2009-10, and 19 in 2008-09). In each of those three seasons his save percentage was over .900 for the year. That is a total of 87 games. Factor in the eight that he played his first time in the league in 2002-03 when he also put up a .913 save percentage and you have a total of 92 games with a save percentage above .900. But yeah, the other 12 games of his career are the REAL stats and his other numbers are a fluke.

He's a backup goalie with backup stats. His numbers won't be great, but neither are 90% of the backup goalies in the league. That's why they are backups.
why do you continue to beat your head against the wall ??

just accept some people here will NEVER like/cheer for Leights..

just put them on ignore or move on..

i've long since given up trying to convert or even chat with some people here about Leights its simply not worth it..

its like trying to understand how some people like Carle..i'll never be converted and thats just the way it is..

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Flukey season? Leighton has played in 104 NHL games. He has played only three seasons in which he has played more than 19 games (34 in 2003-04, 34 in 2009-10, and 19 in 2008-09). In each of those three seasons his save percentage was over .900 for the year. That is a total of 87 games. Factor in the eight that he played his first time in the league in 2002-03 when he also put up a .913 save percentage and you have a total of 92 games with a save percentage above .900. But yeah, the other 12 games of his career are the REAL stats and his other numbers are a fluke.

He's a backup goalie with backup stats. His numbers won't be great, but neither are 90% of the backup goalies in the league. That's why they are backups.
What ARE backup stats to you? I'm not sure you even realize what is normal for a backup.

Here is a list of some of the backups in the league last year and their career save percentages.


Schneider - .928
Rask - .926
Harding - .916
Lindback .914
Giguere - .913
Enroth - .913
Biron - .911
Greiss - .911
Bachman - .911
Reimer - .911
Dubnyk - .910
Bernier - .910
Clemmensen - .910
C. Mason - .910
Neuvirth - .909
Bobrovsky - .909
Elliott - .909
Ellis .908
LaBarbera - .907
Emery - .907
Montoya - .906
Karlsson - .905
Sanford - .904
Auld - .904
Johnson - .904
Garon - .904
MacDonald - .903


That's 27 names that have better career save percentages than Leighton. At best, he is a bottom of the barrel backup.

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What ARE backup stats to you? I'm not sure you even realize what is normal for a backup.

Here is a list of some of the backups in the league last year and their career save percentages.


Schneider - .928
Rask - .926
Harding - .916
Lindback .914
Giguere - .913
Enroth - .913
Biron - .911
Greiss - .911
Bachman - .911
Reimer - .911
Dubnyk - .910
Bernier - .910
Clemmensen - .910
C. Mason - .910
Neuvirth - .909
Bobrovsky - .909
Elliott - .909
Ellis .908
LaBarbera - .907
Emery - .907
Montoya - .906
Karlsson - .905
Sanford - .904
Auld - .904
Johnson - .904
Garon - .904
MacDonald - .903


That's 27 names that have better career save percentages than Leighton. At best, he is a bottom of the barrel backup.
He's a lousy Twitterer as well

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He's a lousy Twitterer as well

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I don't know, his Aug 18 tweet is pretty spot on: "theres so many things i should be doing besides what im actually doing".

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I don't know, his Aug 18 tweet is pretty spot on: "theres so many things i should be doing besides what im actually doing".
Good catch..I can't seem to spot the one where he shows remorse and details his PTSD flashbacks due to that Kane goal..maybe b/c he's like the scarecrow and Lion in the Wizard of Oz...a stationary body and coward

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Why is there so much debate over ML? He hovers between and NHL backup and AHL goalie and had one good run in his career. If anyone mentions him beating out Bryz or playing amazing this year they need medication. He is bad and is what is at this point. If we have to rely on Leighton this year due to injury we are ****ed. Case Closed. Now D is an actual issue.

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Because its the offseason, and everyone is bored.

Lets get this ball rolling again: Leighton will be the greatest backup in the league. ........and...... go.

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Leighton will be the greatest backup in the league. ........and...... go.
He BLOW.....

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Leighton is an okay back-up and should be fine.

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Leighton is an okay back-up and should be fine.
There's a lot of evidence that shows Leighton is a bad backup, and not really even an NHL player...provided both by statistics and observation of his play.

What is the evidence that he's even "okay?" A couple decent seasons before the last lockout? A fluke season where the team dragged him along?

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He's a third string goalie. When you spend the majority of your career in the AHL at the age of 31 you're not a NHL talent. The only time he has had respectable numbers is the two seasons he was able to get a string of starts in a row. He posted a .907 save percentage those 2 years (which was driven by the flukey season in 2010). His save percentage the rest of the time is .892. He has never been able to handle a backup role where he is going to get spot starts. Can he even keep up with the speed of the NHL after spending the last two seasons in the AHL?
Tim Thomas says hi... Not saying Leighton will ever be remotedly like Thomas, just that your statement is clearly incorrect.

Also, in addition to goalies, Shawn Thornton comes to mind as well, another big part of the 2011 Ruins championship.

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There's a lot of evidence that shows Leighton is a bad backup, and not really even an NHL player...provided both by statistics and observation of his play.

What is the evidence that he's even "okay?" A couple decent seasons before the last lockout? A fluke season where the team dragged him along?
He's a .900+ goalie in the AHL and

in the NHL has had off and on years

08-09 with the Canes = .901 Acceptable

next year with canes = .850 Horrible, but small sample size [7 games]

after trade to much better team in Philly = improved to .920

2010-2011 with Phantoms = .926

Also, his 1 game with the Flyers that year is too small of a sample size to even count.

Last year he was a .916 in the AHL as a starting netminder and played 56 of 76 games in that AHL season.

I think he's proven he can play an NHL back-up role, although the 2010 playoffs was a product of the incredible D corps we had at the time.

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