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Your 2012 - 2013 Expectations for Jake Gardiner

View Poll Results: What are your 2012 - 2013 Expectations for JaKe GaRdInEr?
I expect him to win. 12 14.81%
I expect over 40 points and improvement in his defensive play. 30 37.04%
I expect a sophomore slumperoo. 21 25.93%
He'll be the same as last year. No real improvement. 18 22.22%
None of the above. (please specify) 10 12.35%
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08-22-2012, 06:32 PM
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I see another 30 point season, maybe 35 points, but he'll struggle defensively, so i predict a bit of a sophomore slump.

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08-22-2012, 09:34 PM
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To the poster who said he wasn't sheltered, I'd check using advanced statistics. I'm on my phone right now so I cant post them but I saw them in another thread and they definitely show that he was quite sheltered, which isn't exactly a bad thing though because he's still very young and still has room to improve.

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08-22-2012, 09:48 PM
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To the poster who said he wasn't sheltered, I'd check using advanced statistics. I'm on my phone right now so I cant post them but I saw them in another thread and they definitely show that he was quite sheltered, which isn't exactly a bad thing though because he's still very young and still has room to improve.
I would like to see you prove it before you spout it.

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08-22-2012, 09:51 PM
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To the poster who said he wasn't sheltered, I'd check using advanced statistics. I'm on my phone right now so I cant post them but I saw them in another thread and they definitely show that he was quite sheltered, which isn't exactly a bad thing though because he's still very young and still has room to improve.
It's not easy to shelter anyone in a Ron Wilson coached system.

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08-22-2012, 09:56 PM
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The correct answer:
- go the entire season without sitting as a healthy scratch
- match his point total from last season
- be agressive with the puck

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08-22-2012, 10:24 PM
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40+ points for sure, kid is wicked good out there. Love watching his highlights.

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08-22-2012, 10:26 PM
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08-22-2012, 11:28 PM
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I think he will put up 35-45 points and become very good in his own end.

Everyone know he is a great offensive defenseman, but don't sell him short on the other end of the ice. Gardiner showed glimpses of lidstrom-esq defending in his own end.

He can use his stick and body positioning well. He can break up plays effectively, even if he doesn't lay big hits.

I'm not saying he will be shutdown Dman, but he has the tools to become a premiere 2-way defenseman in the NHL

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08-23-2012, 01:04 AM
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He will improve on his point total....I say by 10 points or better.

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08-23-2012, 01:07 AM
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I don't think a player of his poise and skating is going to have a dramatic sophomore slump, but I don't expect a huge breakout season for him either, at least not yet.

About 22:00 TOI, 9-26-35.

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08-23-2012, 01:29 AM
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I'm hoping for him to be a player with a positive impact at even strength, on the PP, and on the PK. I think he showed lots of ability in all situations last year, but with plenty of the mistakes/breakdowns you expect out of a rookie. I'll be happy with similar offensive production to last year (~30 pts/82 games would be fine, 35-40 pts/82 games would be great) as long as he makes less mistakes and plays better in his own end. Not that he was bad defensively, especially for a rookie dman with offensive talent, but he has the potential to be really good in his own end, and I want to see progress towards that.

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08-23-2012, 01:48 AM
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Here's an interesting point on Gardiner, to elaborate on how I'd like to see him advance his PK game/role.

We had 5 dmen who played significant minutes on the PK last year:
- Gunnarsson: 2:38 SH mins/game
- Phaneuf: 2:30 SH mins/game
- Gardiner: 1:45 SH mins/game
- Komi: 1:41 SH mins/game
- Schenn: 1:20 SH mins/game
Source: http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

In terms of relative CORSI (CORSI is a measurement of how many shots each team directs towards the net, a higher CORSI on the PK means your team is getting outshot less badly), here's how they ranked:
- Gardiner: 15.5
- Phaneuf: 0
- Komi: -2.5
- Schenn: -6.3
- Gunnarsson: -8.6
Source: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...52+53+54+55+56

Gardiner was the best by far among our dmen in terms of CORSI on the PK. But did it translate to less goals against?
- Gardiner: 6.11 GA/60 mins
- Phaneuf: 7.05 GA/60 mins
- Komi: 7.41 GA/60 mins
- Gunnarsson: 7.56 GA/60 mins
- Schenn: 8.34 GA/60 mins
Source: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...2+53+54+55+56#

Yup, he was the best by far in terms of SH goals against too. In terms of the eye test, I thought he looked really good on the PK, his skating, energy and instincts all shone. I think he deserved more PK minutes than he got last season, you could certainly argue that he was our best penalty killer. Hopefully Carlyle recognizes this, I think he could progress to become the top PKing dman on the team. More minutes for Gards on the PK combined with the addition of McClement (and hopefully more minutes for Kulemin on the PK too, he was also very good in moderate ice time last year) could turn us into a decent PK team, especially if we can get solid goaltending (either from our current goalies, or from a trade).

For what it's worth, I think our pairings should look something like this:

ES:
Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Komi

PK:
Gardiner - Phaneuf
Gunnarsson - Komi

PP:
Liles - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson

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08-23-2012, 08:43 AM
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Here's an interesting point on Gardiner, to elaborate on how I'd like to see him advance his PK game/role.

We had 5 dmen who played significant minutes on the PK last year:
- Gunnarsson: 2:38 SH mins/game
- Phaneuf: 2:30 SH mins/game
- Gardiner: 1:45 SH mins/game
- Komi: 1:41 SH mins/game
- Schenn: 1:20 SH mins/game
Source: http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

In terms of relative CORSI (CORSI is a measurement of how many shots each team directs towards the net, a higher CORSI on the PK means your team is getting outshot less badly), here's how they ranked:
- Gardiner: 15.5
- Phaneuf: 0
- Komi: -2.5
- Schenn: -6.3
- Gunnarsson: -8.6
Source: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...52+53+54+55+56

Gardiner was the best by far among our dmen in terms of CORSI on the PK. But did it translate to less goals against?
- Gardiner: 6.11 GA/60 mins
- Phaneuf: 7.05 GA/60 mins
- Komi: 7.41 GA/60 mins
- Gunnarsson: 7.56 GA/60 mins
- Schenn: 8.34 GA/60 mins
Source: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...2+53+54+55+56#

Yup, he was the best by far in terms of SH goals against too. In terms of the eye test, I thought he looked really good on the PK, his skating, energy and instincts all shone. I think he deserved more PK minutes than he got last season, you could certainly argue that he was our best penalty killer. Hopefully Carlyle recognizes this, I think he could progress to become the top PKing dman on the team. More minutes for Gards on the PK combined with the addition of McClement (and hopefully more minutes for Kulemin on the PK too, he was also very good in moderate ice time last year) could turn us into a decent PK team, especially if we can get solid goaltending (either from our current goalies, or from a trade).

For what it's worth, I think our pairings should look something like this:

ES:
Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Komi

PK:
Gardiner - Phaneuf
Gunnarsson - Komi

PP:
Liles - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Do you have the stats showing who played against the starting PP line up, and who came on for the 2nd. PP line up?

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08-23-2012, 10:49 AM
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Do you have the stats showing who played against the starting PP line up, and who came on for the 2nd. PP line up?
Nope, but from watching the games I can certainly tell you that Gunnarsson/Phaneuf were generally the starting unit, with Gards/whoever (generally Komi or Schenn) as the 2nd unit. Gards would sometimes go out first, especially when Gunnarsson/Phaneuf were just on the ice before the PK and needed a rest, but mostly he was on the 2nd unit. Obviously this means he faced easier competition than Gunnarsson/Phaneuf, making his stats look better, but they're still very impressive stats for a 1st year player. He also received more PK mins/game than established defensive dmen like Komi or Schenn, which is definitely an accomplishment for a rookie offensive dman. I'm not saying he's an amazing penalty killer already, just that he shows a lot of promise in that area.

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08-23-2012, 10:52 AM
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30-35 points, #4-5 minutes. Secondary PP and PK minutes. Mostly used against easier competition 5 on 5.

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08-23-2012, 11:34 AM
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This result indicates that Jake Gardiner did pretty well against slightly weaker competition during any given 60 minutes of even strength play.

Face-Off Zone Starts: Offensive Zone Start: 56% of the time.

Meaning as I said, he wasnt used very much in risky defensive situations, although being more offensive this shouldnt come as much of a surprise.

Corsi Relative: 2.6

As I already mentioned above, Gardiner did not face the oppositions toughest competition this season, so it is nice to see for you guys that he took advantage of it.

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08-23-2012, 12:57 PM
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Improved defensive play, similar or slight drop off in offensive production. We might see a bit of a drop due to the shift in the nature of the system Jake and the rest of the Leafs are playing in under Carlyle opposed to Wilson. Overall though, I see no reason why Gards will at the very least sustain the quality of his play if not surpass it, kid looks like the real deal. To see a college kid come in and improve his play drastically at the tail end of the season, be given more responsibility, and thrive really makes me optimistic.

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What does "I expect him to win" mean?

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