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St. Louis Blues Top Prospect #11

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Brett Ponich, D 2 4.76%
Sam Kurker, RW 9 21.43%
Joel Edmundson, D 5 11.90%
MacKenzie MacEachern, LW 1 2.38%
Dmitrij Jaskin, RW 2 4.76%
Jori Lehtera, C 7 16.67%
Yannick Veilleux, LW 0 0%
Evgeny Grachev, C/LW 16 38.10%
Sergei Andronov, RW 0 0%
Cody Beach, RW 0 0%
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08-23-2012, 01:30 PM
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St. Louis Blues Top Prospect #11

Swedish winger Sebastian Wannstrom rounds out the top 10 with 30.95% of the vote.

Top Prospects
#1 Vladimir Tarasenko, RW, 6'0, 191, 12/13/1991 (92.16%)
#2 Jaden Schwartz, LW, 5'9, 179, 6/25/1992 (92.5%)
#3 Ty Rattie, RW, 6'0, 167, 2/5/1993 (57.38%)
#4 Ian Cole, D, 6'1, 225, 2/21/1989 (75.61%)
#5 Jake Allen, G, 6'2, 195, 8/7/1990 (73.33%)
#6 Jordan Schmaltz, D, 6'2, 170, 10/8/1993 (38.1%)
#7 Jani Hakanpaa, D, 6'5, 218, 3/31/1992 (64.71%)
#8 Cade Fairchild, D, 5'11, 175, 1/15/1989 (61.7%)
#9 Philip McRae, C, 6'2, 200, 3/15/1990 (57.89%)
#10 Sebastian Wannstrom, RW, 6'1, 183, 3/3/1991 (30.95%)

Please vote and comment on who you'd like to be added.
Ryan Tesink is my thought as to who to add.

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Voted Grachev again.

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Grachev here but we're in the part of the rankings where I value 5-8 guys pretty much equally. Lots of 2nd rd picks who could become something but might not as well. Lots of depth considering that we haven't even gotten to guys like Veilleux, Beach or Tesink yet and I think all 3 of those guys have decent shots of eventually becoming NHLers.

Please add Tesink next. I'm saying it now. I see him breaking out a bit this season in his last season in the Q.

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Grachev here but we're in the part of the rankings where I value 5-8 guys pretty much equally. Lots of 2nd rd picks who could become something but might not as well. Lots of depth considering that we haven't even gotten to guys like Veilleux, Beach or Tesink yet and I think all 3 of those guys have decent shots of eventually becoming NHLers.

Please add Tesink next. I'm saying it now. I see him breaking out a bit this season in his last season in the Q.
I completely concur with this statement.

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Tesink started out last year very well.

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I see that I went with the popular choice; Grachev.

Was gonna go with Jaskin, but until he arrives in NA I have to go with Grachev at this spot.

Still don't understand how Jordan Schmaltz was voted at #6.

Forgot about Beach, but adding Tesink would be good.

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Grachev here but we're in the part of the rankings where I value 5-8 guys pretty much equally. Lots of 2nd rd picks who could become something but might not as well. Lots of depth considering that we haven't even gotten to guys like Veilleux, Beach or Tesink yet and I think all 3 of those guys have decent shots of eventually becoming NHLers.

Please add Tesink next. I'm saying it now. I see him breaking out a bit this season in his last season in the Q.
Veilleux and Tesink intrigue the heck outta me.

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I see that I went with the popular choice; Grachev.

Was gonna go with Jaskin, but until he arrives in NA I have to go with Grachev at this spot.

Still don't understand how Jordan Schmaltz was voted at #6.

Forgot about Beach, but adding Tesink would be good.
Going Grachev too. Thought long and hard about Ponich here.

Because Schmaltz is a potential 1-2 defenseman at the top of his ceiling. He probably will be an 8.0D, if I had to guess.

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Going Grachev too. Thought long and hard about Ponich here.

Because Schmaltz is a potential 1-2 defenseman at the top of his ceiling. He probably will be an 8.0D, if I had to guess.
But he's a skinny punk who is three years away at least.

I, too, thought long and hard about Ponich.

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I'd put another 5 or so guys ahead of Ponich still. Edmundson, Kurker and Jaskin next and then Veilleux and MacEachern and perhaps a few more too. There's just nothing about Ponich that sticks out as being overly positive about him and his game other than his size IMO. He might make it but I've never been a big fan of that pick. I know others value him higher though and that's fine.

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I'd put another 5 or so guys ahead of Ponich still. Edmundson, Kurker and Jaskin next and then Veilleux and MacEachern and perhaps a few more too. There's just nothing about Ponich that sticks out as being overly positive about him and his game other than his size IMO. He might make it but I've never been a big fan of that pick. I know others value him higher though and that's fine.
To be quite honest, all of these prospects have really noticeable weaknesses right now, and after McRae, there are literally eight prospects (Wannstrom, Grachev, Ponich, Edmundson, Veilleux, Tesink, Jaskin, and Beach) that haven't truly separated themselves from the pack, in my opinion. That's not even getting into the recently-drafted players like Kurker, MacEachern, and Parayko, none of whom I'd vote ahead of the aforementioned prospects; at least, not at this point in time.

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To be quite honest, all of these prospects have really noticeable weaknesses right now, and after McRae, there are literally eight prospects (Wannstrom, Grachev, Ponich, Edmundson, Veilleux, Tesink, Jaskin, and Beach) that haven't truly separated themselves from the pack, in my opinion. That's not even getting into the recently-drafted players like Kurker, MacEachern, and Parayko, none of whom I'd vote ahead of the aforementioned prospects; at least, not at this point in time.
Yep. That's the point I was making when I said that we're in the part of the rankings where I value 5-8 guys pretty much equally. I just value Ponich a little less than the rest of that group is all.

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ALL the remaining prospects are far away, except Grachev. Several seem to have a higher upside potential, but are so far away, that there'a a fair amount of chance that something will go wrong, keeping them from making it in The NHL. So, I'm going wth Grachev. As stated above, there's a large pack of similar talent, from which no one has yet separated.

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Went with Lehterä. PPG in the world's second best league has to count for something. Grachev is a good choice too, but has seemed to struggle since he joined the Blues. That said, he is due for a rebound season and who knows what could happen if you put him on a line with the tank. Being a strong skater with a big body...he definitely fits Hitchcock's mold of an ideal centerman.

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ALL the remaining prospects are far away, except Grachev. Several seem to have a higher upside potential, but are so far away, that there'a a fair amount of chance that something will go wrong, keeping them from making it in The NHL. So, I'm going wth Grachev. As stated above, there's a large pack of similar talent, from which no one has yet separated.
Pretty much!!

As mentioned, however, each of us has his/her own way of selecting and, for me, it is how close they are to actually playing on NHL ice with any sort of consistency and not just a Della Rovere call-up.

He has played in the NHL, but is nowhere near our top-15 prospects in these polls. So, I know that my method is a little shoddy.

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Went with Lehterä. PPG in the world's second best league has to count for something. Grachev is a good choice too, but has seemed to struggle since he joined the Blues. That said, he is due for a rebound season and who knows what could happen if you put him on a line with the tank. Being a strong skater with a big body...he definitely fits Hitchcock's mold of an ideal centerman.
I think it's a decent idea, but doubt it will happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Hitchcock plays them together during training camp just to see what happens. In fact, he'd be remiss to not do it.

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A look back on our prospect polls.

2008 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by kimzey59

1) Alex Pietrangelo, D
2) Patrik Berglund, C
3) TJ Oshie, F
4) David Perron, W
5) Lars Eller, C
6) Ian Cole, D
7) Nikolai Lemtyugov, W
8) Ben Bishop, G
9) Jonas Junland, D
10) Aaron Palushaj, W
11) Phillip McRae, F
12) Jake Allen, G
13) Marek Schwarz, G
14) Roman Polak, D
15) Steve Wagner, D

2009 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by kimzey59
1) Alex Pietrangelo, D
2) Patrik Berglund, C
3) TJ Oshie, F
4) Lars Eller, C
5) Ian Cole, D
6) Aaron Palushaj, W
7) Jake Allen, G
8) Brett Sonne, F
9) Phil McRae, C
10) Ben Bishop, G
11) Jonas Junland, D
12) Simon Hjalmarsson, W
13) Kristoffer Berglund, D
14) Cade Fairchild, D

NOTE: This set of polls went up to only Prospect #15 and it was……

15) Jori Lehtera, C


2010 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by Celtic Note and bluesfan94
#1 Alex Pietrangelo D
#2 Vladimir Tarasenko F
#3 Ian Cole D
#4 Jaden Schwartz F
#5 Jake Allen G
#6 Philip McRae F
#7 Jori Lehtera F
#8 Jonas Junland D
#9 Brett Sonne F
#10 Brett Ponich D
#11 Mark Cundari D
#12 Sebastian Wannstrom F
#13 Ben Bishop G

NOTE: This set of polls went up to only Prospect #14 and it was….

#14 Tyler Shattock, F just edging out Nikita Nikitin, D


2011 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by STL fan in IA
1. Vladimir Tarasenko
2. Jaden Schwartz
3. Ian Cole
4. Jake Allen
5. Ty Rattie
6. Evgeny Grachev
7. Dmitrij Jaskin
8. Phil McRae
9. Ben Bishop
10. Mark Cundari
10. Brett Ponich
12. Joel Edmundson
13. Jori Lehtera
14. Sebastian Wannstrom
15. Cade Fairchild

NOTE: This set of polls went well beyond #15.

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Went with Lehterä. PPG in the world's second best league has to count for something. Grachev is a good choice too, but has seemed to struggle since he joined the Blues. That said, he is due for a rebound season and who knows what could happen if you put him on a line with the tank. Being a strong skater with a big body...he definitely fits Hitchcock's mold of an ideal centerman.
I believe Grachev has exclusively played the wing since coming to the Blues/Rivs. Whenever there is a season, I just don't see Grachev getting an opportunity with Tarasenko. Tarasenko deserves better than that and the Blues have better than that.

As for Lehtera, I think he makes a very fine Euro player but I don't think his style will translate all too well to the NHL. Add in that I don't think he has much of a shot of making it in the NHL without putting some time in at the AHL level coupled with his likely unwillingness to do that and I just don't see him ever having much of an NHL career. I'll be happy if I end up being wrong on that but I suspect that at most, he comes over for a while, doesn't stick immediately and we'll soon see him back playing in Europe.

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A look back on our prospect polls.

2008 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by kimzey59

1) Alex Pietrangelo, D
2) Patrik Berglund, C
3) TJ Oshie, F
4) David Perron, W
5) Lars Eller, C
6) Ian Cole, D
7) Nikolai Lemtyugov, W
8) Ben Bishop, G
9) Jonas Junland, D
10) Aaron Palushaj, W
11) Phillip McRae, F
12) Jake Allen, G
13) Marek Schwarz, G
14) Roman Polak, D
15) Steve Wagner, D

2009 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by kimzey59
1) Alex Pietrangelo, D
2) Patrik Berglund, C
3) TJ Oshie, F
4) Lars Eller, C
5) Ian Cole, D
6) Aaron Palushaj, W
7) Jake Allen, G
8) Brett Sonne, F
9) Phil McRae, C
10) Ben Bishop, G
11) Jonas Junland, D
12) Simon Hjalmarsson, W
13) Kristoffer Berglund, D
14) Cade Fairchild, D

NOTE: This set of polls went up to only Prospect #15 and it was……

15) Jori Lehtera, C


2010 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by Celtic Note and bluesfan94
#1 Alex Pietrangelo D
#2 Vladimir Tarasenko F
#3 Ian Cole D
#4 Jaden Schwartz F
#5 Jake Allen G
#6 Philip McRae F
#7 Jori Lehtera F
#8 Jonas Junland D
#9 Brett Sonne F
#10 Brett Ponich D
#11 Mark Cundari D
#12 Sebastian Wannstrom F
#13 Ben Bishop G

NOTE: This set of polls went up to only Prospect #14 and it was….

#14 Tyler Shattock, F just edging out Nikita Nikitin, D


2011 St. Louis Blues Top 15 Prospects by STL fan in IA
1. Vladimir Tarasenko
2. Jaden Schwartz
3. Ian Cole
4. Jake Allen
5. Ty Rattie
6. Evgeny Grachev
7. Dmitrij Jaskin
8. Phil McRae
9. Ben Bishop
10. Mark Cundari
10. Brett Ponich
12. Joel Edmundson
13. Jori Lehtera
14. Sebastian Wannstrom
15. Cade Fairchild

NOTE: This set of polls went well beyond #15.
Interesting history. Thanks for posting. Fairchild and Hakanpaa seem to be the clear risers. Cundari has fallen pretty flat.

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Junland has fallen off the charts too, but I'm afraid that Lehtera will remain in the top 15. That's okay.

Fairchild is talented and consistent and the knock on his size is exaggerated. On the right team (Anaheim?) he will be a very good NHLer. It just might not be on the Blues.

There was a lot of excitement surrounding Cundari, but for some reason he could not keep it together. He has time, though.

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DOH! It just occurred to me that Junland has fallen off the charts because he's no longer Blues' property.

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I think it's a decent idea, but doubt it will happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Hitchcock plays them together during training camp just to see what happens. In fact, he'd be remiss to not do it.
I don't think it's that far fetched. Grachev played close to 30 games last season, and by nature is the kind of player that will not benefit much from playing on the 4th line. I'm not by any means saying I think he's going to breakout and become a solid top 9 player, but I do think he should see some decent playing time this season at one point or another.

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I believe Grachev has exclusively played the wing since coming to the Blues/Rivs. Whenever there is a season, I just don't see Grachev getting an opportunity with Tarasenko. Tarasenko deserves better than that and the Blues have better than that.
I believe he did play some center with the Rivermen last season, but I could be wrong. Either way, that is his natural position. Tarasenko does deserve the best linemates, but he's going to have to work his way up just like everyone else. And who's to say Grachev couldn't be a better player with more advanced linemates as well. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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I don't think it's that far fetched. Grachev played close to 30 games last season, and by nature is the kind of player that will not benefit much from playing on the 4th line. I'm not by any means saying I think he's going to breakout and become a solid top 9 player, but I do think he should see some decent playing time this season at one point or another.


I believe he did play some center with the Rivermen last season, but I could be wrong. Either way, that is his natural position. Tarasenko does deserve the best linemates, but he's going to have to work his way up just like everyone else. And who's to say Grachev couldn't be a better player with more advanced linemates as well. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Stick Grachev, Tarasenko, and Stewart out there and see what happens. Grachev fails, shuffle the deck... Stewart can make sure Tank stays alive and doesn't get run. I like Grachev's size and skill. Tank's a playmaker too. Maybe the tool box gets opened.....

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Grachev seems much too high here for me. If we were rating players by HF standards then I would put him at 5.5C.

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