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08-24-2012, 06:54 PM
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Absolutely not. The only thing you have that the Jets want is Duchene.
I am kind of curious to see what people from Win would ask for Kane realistically. He is a great player, however he is unsigned and has had little stories here and there with attitude problems which is where all these kane rumors are coming from.

I doubt you would get a young player of equal or greater value for kane on terms of skill. I think it would more likely be a package deal of prospects and picks, whether it be to improve their offense or their goaltending.

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Plekanec (shift Little to RW)
Bourque (20-25 goal replacement LW)
Gallagher
1st 2013

Figure that at least gets them to listen.
And enough to get stabbed by the citizens of MTL for offering that trade lol. Also that is a lot of cap hit going one way with nothing coming back.

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08-24-2012, 07:05 PM
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I am kind of curious to see what people from Win would ask for Kane realistically. He is a great player, however he is unsigned and has had little stories here and there with attitude problems which is where all these kane rumors are coming from.

I doubt you would get a young player of equal or greater value for kane on terms of skill. I think it would more likely be a package deal of prospects and picks, whether it be to improve their offense or their goaltending.

Thoughts?

From my perspective, we need a top four shut down defender, a 20-25g winger, first and 2nd rounders and good fwd prospects with top six upside.

Goaltending is fine.

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something around pavelski + ?

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08-24-2012, 07:29 PM
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I don't know what the value is, but if Kane wants face-time, Toronto would be a great place.

Gardiner + MacArthur + (Kadri or Colbourne)

Gardiner + Lupul

Do any of those work?

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Not sure what Winnipeg would want but a proposal from Stan Bowman:

Saad
Leddy
Stalberg


for Kane

chicago's top prospect, a good young PMD, and a 20 goal scorer in Stalberg for Kane's rights

Chicago rolls a top 6 of

Kane-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Kruger-Hossa

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08-24-2012, 07:47 PM
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Only player is want from the Canucks is Hamhuis, and that's not happening.
Ridiculous comment.

The Canucks in win now mode? The Canucks are in CBA hell with the rest of us.

If Kane is available and I doubt that, then the Canucks owe it to themselves to make a play for him. Edler, Schnieder, Ballard and Booth do not have NTCs (which are regaurded as holy by Gillis). A pair of these players (not both defensemen) is almost all the Canucks could manage, there are few prospects.

What about Ballard and Booth?

Edler and Booth?Worries about Edler not signing are legitimate concerns, he'd have to be signed first.

What about Edler and Schnieder?

My point is, that something could certainly be done, if there was the desire.

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Ridiculous comment.

The Canucks in win now mode? The Canucks are in CBA hell with the rest of us.

If Kane is available and I doubt that, then the Canucks owe it to themselves to make a play for him. Edler, Schnieder, Ballard and Booth do not have NTCs (which are regaurded as holy by Gillis). A pair of these players (not both defensemen) is almost all the Canucks could manage, there are few prospects.

What about Ballard and Booth?
Nope.

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Edler and Booth?Worries about Edler not signing are legitimate concerns, he'd have to be signed first.
Edler is a great piece but redundant on the Jets due to the two big offensive d-men already there, plus he's a UFA in a year (a lockout year, no less). He would have to be signed, but re-signing in Vancouver would probably mean an NTC, which he likely wouldn't waive. Booth is a decent winger, but moving Kane leaves a big hole in the Jets scoring, and also the Jets don't really have a similar type player in the system to replace Kane.

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What about Edler and Schnieder?
See above for Edler. Making a move for Schneider is terrible asset management by the Jets, making their 5-year, 3.9 million dollar goalie signed 2 months ago, redundant.

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My point is, that something could certainly be done, if there was the desire.
Of course there could. Your proposals aren't taking into account the needs of the Jets, just pieces on Vancouver you think have big value. Of course they have big value (although Booth and Ballard less so), but you also have to think what the other team needs. Kane doesn't have much in the way of negotiating power anyway, if he wants a trade, which everyone involved has said that he hasn't, and some reporter in Regina has come up with some crazy story that he wants to be the face of the franchise, etc, and that Schiefele, a 19 year old with 7 NHL games under his belt, is somehow already threatening that.

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08-24-2012, 08:09 PM
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From my perspective, we need a top four shut down defender, a 20-25g winger, first and 2nd rounders and good fwd prospects with top six upside.

Goaltending is fine.
While I know the trade will be a no, for the sake of the arguement.

Hejda (shut down), Jones(20-25 goal scorer), Hishon (offensive prospect).

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08-24-2012, 08:11 PM
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I don't know what the value is, but if Kane wants face-time, Toronto would be a great place.

Gardiner + MacArthur + (Kadri or Colbourne)

Gardiner + Lupul

Do any of those work?
I would do Gardiner + Lupul if Kane really does want out even though I think lupul over achieved.

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08-24-2012, 08:23 PM
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"Edler is a great piece but redundant on the Jets due to the two big offensive d-men already there, plus he's a UFA in a year (a lockout year, no less). He would have to be signed, but re-signing in Vancouver would probably mean an NTC, which he likely wouldn't waive. Booth is a decent winger, but moving Kane leaves a big hole in the Jets scoring, and also the Jets don't really have a similar type player in the system to replace Kane."

I see the same thing. But I would argue that while losing a player with Kane's upside offensively, we could have potentially the most dynamic defense in the entire league. Probably the best since the Hawks defense the year they win the Cup. We'd be hurting on offense but we would also have 3 guys who have put up >50 points and another one capable in Bogosian. we'd be much more of a Nashville style team for sure, but Burmistrov and Scheifele are bound to be given a chance in the top six by fall 2013 - sink or swim.

I'd rather keep Kane, but if he really did want out then **** him and get someone else in here to help our team.

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08-24-2012, 08:26 PM
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Why not just offersheet Kane?

Offering up a small handful of 1st round picks would be easy enough. I'd do it, then again I'm not terribly concerned with the code or any of that foolishness.

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Ridiculous comment.

The Canucks in win now mode? The Canucks are in CBA hell with the rest of us.

If Kane is available and I doubt that, then the Canucks owe it to themselves to make a play for him. Edler, Schnieder, Ballard and Booth do not have NTCs (which are regaurded as holy by Gillis). A pair of these players (not both defensemen) is almost all the Canucks could manage, there are few prospects.

What about Ballard and Booth?

Edler and Booth?Worries about Edler not signing are legitimate concerns, he'd have to be signed first.

What about Edler and Schnieder?

My point is, that something could certainly be done, if there was the desire.
No it couldn't. The only player that you have that suits us is Hamhuis, and he is unavailable. We don't need Schneider seeing as how we just resigned Pavelec. While I don't mind Booth and Ballard, that's a package I would trade for a lesser player then Kane. Edler is a puck mover, which we have three of. We need a shut down D which neither edler or Ballard is.

Booth is really the only piece that fits, but outside of that you have nothing else. Your 1sts are practically 2nds. So as a result your prospects, while I have no doubt are well drafted, aren't as desirable as other teams prospects.

Canucks just really don't have the pieces to make a competive offer, unless Hamhuis is on the table...and he's not.

Moving on.

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08-24-2012, 08:29 PM
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Subban+Pacioretty for Bogo+Kane?

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Why not just offersheet Kane?

Offering up a small handful of 1st round picks would be easy enough. I'd do it, then again I'm not terribly concerned with the code or any of that foolishness.
And the jets say thanks for negotiating the contract for them.

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I don't know what the value is, but if Kane wants face-time, Toronto would be a great place.

Gardiner + MacArthur + (Kadri or Colbourne)

Gardiner + Lupul

Do any of those work?
Nope. Kadri can't seem to break a line up, abd while I do like Lupul and MacArthur both, they don't suit the Jets mold. Gardiner, while, nice isn't a shut down player.

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And the jets say thanks for negotiating the contract for them.
So everyone wins!

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So everyone wins!
I'd be happy if someone did...then we could just match and be done with it.

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Subban+Pacioretty for Bogo+Kane?
Is this serious? Bogo is going nowhere. Subban+or patches + for Kane maybe.

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I'd be happy if someone did...then we could just match and be done with it.
Fair enough. These proposal/value threads are going to continue until he signs or is traded. I don't blame you for just wanting some resolution on it.

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To Van:
Kane

To Winnipeg
Booth (25 goal scorer)
Schroeder/Ballard (top 6 forward prospect/left side D)
1st
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To Van:
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To Winnipeg
Booth (25 goal scorer)
Schroeder/Ballard (top 6 forward prospect/left side D)
1st
3rd
Schroeder is undersized abd Ballard isn't a shut down D. The picks aren't enticing because they're so late.

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Fair enough. These proposal/value threads are going to continue until he signs or is traded. I don't blame you for just wanting some resolution on it.
Yup haha. Staal had what, 10 threads? I don't even know how many Luongo has had, well over 15 I believe.

This is thread 1. Only 10,000 more posts on the topic to go!

Sadly with how little else there is to talk about it, I'm probably going to read a lot of it.

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Yup haha. Staal had what, 10 threads? I don't even know how many Luongo has had, well over 15 I believe.

This is thread 1. Only 10,000 more posts on the topic to go!

Sadly with how little else there is to talk about it, I'm probably going to read a lot of it.
Lol right there with ya.

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