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08-24-2012, 10:32 PM
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buddy , the jets missed the playoffs last season and most hockey fans would expect them to repeat that

as confident as you are in your current roster and rookies you dont just miss the playoffs for years and then say you only could use ONE player from a back to back presidents trophy team

you're delusional
Shall I go through the list again?

Edler...we have 3 puck movers.

Ballard...not enough of an upgrade on Hainsey to justify moving Kane for.

Raymond...is fast, and I love that, but Wpg would rather a power forward type.

Kesler, Sedins, Bxa and burrows, I assumed were untouchable. Not to say that Hammer isn't. Sedins are a packaged deal...Kane won't bet them. Kesler could be good, so add him to the shopping list I guess, and I'm wary about an unsigned burrows, I'm not sure he could produce as well without Hank and Dank. I figured between Bxa and Ham...Ham was more available.

Your bottom six players are pretty good, but outside of Hansen there isn't alot there that is an up grade over our current bottom six.

Ok...that leaves us with Kesler, booth, Hamhuis and Hansen.

I'd prefer Hamhuis.

Just because the Canucks won the presidents trophy does not mean that all the players you offer are gold. You can't offer your scraps for a player that is going to be a superstar, and then wonder why I won't take it.

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08-24-2012, 10:46 PM
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Yikes.

This has Kessel written all over it.
I have no problem giving that up for a 21 year old with 63 career goals.

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08-24-2012, 10:51 PM
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Shall I go through the list again?

Edler...we have 3 puck movers.

Ballard...not enough of an upgrade on Hainsey to justify moving Kane for.

Raymond...is fast, and I love that, but Wpg would rather a power forward type.

Kesler, Sedins, Bxa and burrows, I assumed were untouchable. Not to say that Hammer isn't. Sedins are a packaged deal...Kane won't bet them. Kesler could be good, so add him to the shopping list I guess, and I'm wary about an unsigned burrows, I'm not sure he could produce as well without Hank and Dank. I figured between Bxa and Ham...Ham was more available.

Your bottom six players are pretty good, but outside of Hansen there isn't alot there that is an up grade over our current bottom six.

Ok...that leaves us with Kesler, booth, Hamhuis and Hansen.

I'd prefer Hamhuis.

Just because the Canucks won the presidents trophy does not mean that all the players you offer are gold. You can't offer your scraps for a player that is going to be a superstar, and then wonder why I won't take it.
What about prospects like Jensen and Tanev? Potential Power forward/Shutdown defenseman. Does that fit what you're looking for?

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08-24-2012, 11:03 PM
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Shall I go through the list again?

Edler...we have 3 puck movers.

Ballard...not enough of an upgrade on Hainsey to justify moving Kane for.

Raymond...is fast, and I love that, but Wpg would rather a power forward type.

Kesler, Sedins, Bxa and burrows, I assumed were untouchable. Not to say that Hammer isn't. Sedins are a packaged deal...Kane won't bet them. Kesler could be good, so add him to the shopping list I guess, and I'm wary about an unsigned burrows, I'm not sure he could produce as well without Hank and Dank. I figured between Bxa and Ham...Ham was more available.

Your bottom six players are pretty good, but outside of Hansen there isn't alot there that is an up grade over our current bottom six.

Ok...that leaves us with Kesler, booth, Hamhuis and Hansen.

I'd prefer Hamhuis.

Just because the Canucks won the presidents trophy does not mean that all the players you offer are gold. You can't offer your scraps for a player that is going to be a superstar, and then wonder why I won't take it.
If Hamhuis is on the block in any way, shape or form, he shouldn't be. Easily the best defensive defenseman we have. Far too valuable to lose imho.

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08-24-2012, 11:05 PM
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If Hamhuis is on the block in any way, shape or form, he shouldn't be. Easily the best defensive defenseman we have. Far too valuable to lose imho.
Agreed.

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Last time this thread came up, I made this proposal, which was decently accepted:


Evander Kane (RFA rights)
Tobias Enstrom


Milan Michalek
Mika Zibanejad
Colin Greening
Our 2012 first, used on Cody Ceci

0% chance he goes anywhere though. Just fun to imagine.

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08-24-2012, 11:37 PM
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to wpg
hemsky
gags
mps
pelss
2nd

to edm
kane
burmy

next years lines

hall rnh ebs
kane burmy yak
smyth horc jones
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Quantity for quality.

Other teams aren't in existence to help KLowe & his puppet look good.

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08-24-2012, 11:42 PM
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Quantity for quality.

Other teams aren't in existence to help KLowe & his puppet look good.
KLowe and Tambo are good enough at making themselves and the organization look like idiots.

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08-25-2012, 12:09 AM
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I hope it does work out. As a lifelong Flyer fan in Wpg I was so stoked Jets would get Couts and Flyers Hamilton, didnt work, Oh well.
As a lifelong Flyers fan in Winnipeg at the same time, I laughed hysterically when a huge lull passed over the MTS Center and Pierre had to shuffle through his stats sheets to find Schiflele. 5 seconds after that I was yelling at my TV for Homer to call Couts' name. Boy was I not disappointed.

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Last time this thread came up, I made this proposal, which was decently accepted:


Evander Kane (RFA rights)
Tobias Enstrom


Milan Michalek
Mika Zibanejad
Colin Greening
Our 2012 first, used on Cody Ceci

0% chance he goes anywhere though. Just fun to imagine.
Take out Enstrom and Michalek for sure. Even then I probably don't do it but at least it's not horrible. As is, the Jets give up the two best players. I concede that Zibanejad is a good prospect but Kane and Enstrom are still easily the best players in this deal. Michalek is talented but often injured and his best years are behind him - Kane's are ahead of him.


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08-25-2012, 01:57 AM
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Our needs(before trades):

- 2nd line RW
- 4th line LW
- Top four shut down 20-25 minute D, would prefer left handed, to pair with Bogosian
- Good PK forecheckers
- Players with good one timers especially for PP, it seems like every forward on our team does wrist shots

What we don't need:

- More centers (Jokinen, Little, Burmistrov, Wellwood, Antropov, Slater currently on roster plus Scheifele, Cormier, Telegin, Sutter etc.. in the system)
- Goalies, we're invested heavily in Pavelec and have talent in the system
- PMD or PPQB

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08-25-2012, 02:11 AM
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Shall I go through the list again?

Edler...we have 3 puck movers.

Ballard...not enough of an upgrade on Hainsey to justify moving Kane for.

Raymond...is fast, and I love that, but Wpg would rather a power forward type.

Kesler, Sedins, Bxa and burrows, I assumed were untouchable. Not to say that Hammer isn't. Sedins are a packaged deal...Kane won't bet them. Kesler could be good, so add him to the shopping list I guess, and I'm wary about an unsigned burrows, I'm not sure he could produce as well without Hank and Dank. I figured between Bxa and Ham...Ham was more available.

Your bottom six players are pretty good, but outside of Hansen there isn't alot there that is an up grade over our current bottom six.

Ok...that leaves us with Kesler, booth, Hamhuis and Hansen.

I'd prefer Hamhuis.

Just because the Canucks won the presidents trophy does not mean that all the players you offer are gold. You can't offer your scraps for a player that is going to be a superstar, and then wonder why I won't take it.
Jets

Jensen
Kassian
1st

Van

Kane

Van best 2 forward prospects + 1st

Thoughts?

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Jets

Jensen
Kassian
1st

Van

Kane

Van best 2 forward prospects + 1st

Thoughts?
Kane is a LW, though, so I think we should send Booth the other way as a replacement and to avoid a logjam for us.

My offer before was Tanev, Jensen, and Booth, as I believe Winnipeg needs a potential shut down defenseman as well as a power forward.

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08-25-2012, 02:45 AM
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Kane is a LW, though, so I think we should send Booth the other way as a replacement and to avoid a logjam for us.

My offer before was Tanev, Jensen, and Booth, as I believe Winnipeg needs a potential shut down defenseman as well as a power forward.
Interesting offer.

How bout this, Winnipeg fans can pick any 3 of:

Jensen
Booth
Kassian
Tanev
1st

for a deal on Kane

Thoughts?

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08-25-2012, 02:53 AM
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What about prospects like Jensen and Tanev? Potential Power forward/Shutdown defenseman. Does that fit what you're looking for?
Not enough of a sure thing tbh

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If Hamhuis is on the block in any way, shape or form, he shouldn't be. Easily the best defensive defenseman we have. Far too valuable to lose imho.
I completely agree. He's just the guy I'd want in return. But totally agree that it leaves s huge hole, i think I mentioned that earlier.

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Interesting offer.

How bout this, Winnipeg fans can pick any 3 of:

Jensen
Booth
Kassian
Tanev
1st

for a deal on Kane

Thoughts?
No thanks. Booth is a good piece, but I think there needs to be something more substantial added to him given how high Kane's ceiling is.

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08-25-2012, 02:58 AM
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No thanks. Booth is a good piece, but I think there needs to be something more substantial added to him given how high Kane's ceiling is.
But I said any 3 so.....

Booth++ is what the offer is?

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Last time this thread came up, I made this proposal, which was decently accepted:


Evander Kane (RFA rights)
Tobias Enstrom


Milan Michalek
Mika Zibanejad
Colin Greening
Our 2012 first, used on Cody Ceci

0% chance he goes anywhere though. Just fun to imagine.
Refreshing to see non self serving trade proposals.

Maybe a slight over payment by Ott , but i suspect that was a subconscious choice, to not look like a Ottawa looter.

Enstrom and Michalek is a pretty even swap.

So Zib,Green,Ceci for Kane, hrmm pretty fair. Maybe a little over payment seeing what the big ? in this part of the deal is (what Kane is now and going forward) and (what Ziba can turn into). The Ziba ? does need to be compensated for since Kane has already shown signs.

Unsure tho what need Ott has of Enstrom, but player value wise, i see the point.


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Kane is a LW, though, so I think we should send Booth the other way as a replacement and to avoid a logjam for us.

My offer before was Tanev, Jensen, and Booth, as I believe Winnipeg needs a potential shut down defenseman as well as a power forward.
I don't think Van has what it takes to get Kane.

I would think the conversation would have to start with Schnieder tho.

Schnied for Kane is a fair deal.

The Peg could then flip Pav to TO


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I feel as if this is all a ploy to be traded to Chicago to play with P. Kane.

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Because Lupul has a long history of mediocre or injured play. Because if you're not completely optimistic you might view Lupul's 2011/2012 season as a perfect chance to offload him while his value is high.
I didn't say he's worth more, I said the leafs wouldn't do it. If the leafs lose Lupul and Gardiner and acquire a player that won't produce more than Lupul last year.. how bad would they be THIS year? It doesn't make sense to do it

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I know the first Oil proposal was awful, hopefully this one is better???

To EDM: Kane

To WPG: Hemsky, Klefbom, 2013 1st, 2014 1st

If Hemsky can get into 70 games or more (yes, I realize even that is questionable), he should be good for 60 pts. Klefbom is a stud in the making with a full compliment of tools, likely 1-2 years away. 2013 is a strong draft where our pick likely falls anywhere from 8-16. 2014, who knows, but a guess would put us 15-20.

I realize most Jet fans will say one of the big 4, but in 3 of those scenarios we downgrade (Hall, RNH, Ebs), and maybe even all 4 depending on how Yak performs (as well as having 7 yrs of contract control vs 4 with Kane). Again, this is also under the OP's premise that he actually wants out.

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I don't think Van has what it takes to get Kane.

I would think the conversation would have to start with Schnieder tho.

Schnied for Kane is a fair deal.

The Peg could then flip Pav to TO
Schneider for Kane? Valuewise it seems fair, I would seriously consider doing that. Has Kane ever played RW before?

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I don't think Van has what it takes to get Kane.

I would think the conversation would have to start with Schnieder tho.

Schnied for Kane is a fair deal.

The Peg could then flip Pav to TO

Winnipeg is fine with Pavelec in net. Trading Kane away for a goalie would make little sense. Who would the Jets trade Pavelec for on the Leafs to replace Kane?
Seems like a lot of work when they could just as easily keep both Kane and Pavelec.

Perhaps Schneider should just be traded to Toronto for a Kane-esque player?

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