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08-24-2012, 10:03 AM
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Dynamo Minsk. The best bet.

Drinking and partying during NHL playoffs is an end for your NHL career. Period.
I guess it's a good thing he wasn't doing that then.

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Drinking and partying during NHL playoffs is an end for your NHL career. Period.
Lol, someone should tell that to guys like Carter and Richards.

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His intelligence levels haven't been documented, so I'm not sure where you're coming from with this absurdity.

As far as him rejecting such an offer: if true, it could simply be due to the fact that he wants to live in North America and/or play in the NHL. Not everyone's driven by money exclusively, and for you to associate intelligence level with the exclusive pursuit of monetary gain is demonstrative of either: a) a lack of financial security; and/or b) a lack of intelligence.
His lack of "hockey smart" has been very well documented over the years as one of the reasons for his disappointing career. Also, you cannot be too intelligent to go out during playoffs the way he has. No need for a masters degree to know better.

As for your *****-slap comment, you don't know me so I will forgive you.

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Swiss league. There's gonna be a lock out but he'll stay there once the NHL activities are resumed. He'd probably be a beast in this league.

Edit: Could accept Montreal giving him a try out

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Swiss league. There's gonna be a lock out but he'll stay there once the NHL activities are resumed. He'd probably be a beast in this league.

Edit: Could accept Montreal giving him a try out
Try-out would be insulting , he isn't coming back from a major injury , barely even
an "off year" just a player that had a mediocre season last year (all of Montreal was terrible last year except for Pacioretty/Cole/Desharnais).
The guy has always been good for 20-25 goals + 20-30 assists , I don't understand
all the hate he is probably waiting to see what's going to happen with the NHL CBA talks...(Rumors to PIt make the most sense to me) Kostitsyn would score 35 on Malkin's wing and I have zero doubt about this.
Malkin likes to attract 2-3 players (very similar to Datsyuk in regards to this) and then dishes that perfect pass and his usual linemates (not including James Neal) can't handle it due to limited offensive skill. Well Kostitsyn is that guy you give him the puck in the offensive zone and give him just a little space and he will make you pay , a laser of a wrist shot easily top 10-15 in the NHL. He also has a nice 2-3 step acceleration that allows him to manoeuvre at fairly high speed through the neutral/offensive zone he has the uncanny ability to steam roll players and still be able to get a good shot on net. He is prone to making a bonehead move once in a while but besides that his defensive game is very unappreciated. I would love for him to sign a prove it contract in Pittsburgh for about 3M just so that he can put up 30-35G/25-30A playing on Malkin's wing.

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T.Kennedy-Malkin-A.Kostitsyn (he prefers RW)
Dupuis-Suter-Cooke (dunno if this would work?)

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Try-out would be insulting , he isn't coming back from a major injury , barely even
an "off year" just a player that had a mediocre season last year (all of Montreal was terrible last year except for Pacioretty/Cole/Desharnais).
The guy has always been good for 20-25 goals + 20-30 assists , I don't understand
all the hate he is probably waiting to see what's going to happen with the NHL CBA talks...(Rumors to PIt make the most sense to me) Kostitsyn would score 35 on Malkin's wing and I have zero doubt about this.
Malkin likes to attract 2-3 players (very similar to Datsyuk in regards to this) and then dishes that perfect pass and his usual linemates (not including James Neal) can't handle it due to limited offensive skill. Well Kostitsyn is that guy you give him the puck in the offensive zone and give him just a little space and he will make you pay , a laser of a wrist shot easily top 10-15 in the NHL. He also has a nice 2-3 step acceleration that allows him to manoeuvre at fairly high speed through the neutral/offensive zone he has the uncanny ability to steam roll players and still be able to get a good shot on net. He is prone to making a bonehead move once in a while but besides that his defensive game is very unappreciated. I would love for him to sign a prove it contract in Pittsburgh for about 3M just so that he can put up 30-35G/25-30A playing on Malkin's wing.

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All interesting points; thanks for the input.

However I can assure you that Bylsma will not split up Neal and Malkin, even if we were to sign Kostitsyn. James and Evgeni compliment each other way too well and there is far too much chemistry to split them up. If we did sign AK (I'm crossing my fingers here...) the lineup would likely look like this:

Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Kostitsyn-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Sutter-Kennedy
Glass-Vitale-Adams

Take it with a grain of salt, though, because Bylsma loves to mix up all of his lines throughout each game.

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08-24-2012, 01:13 PM
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I've never really paid attention enough, who were his typical linemates in Montreal? Watching highlight videos of him shows a player who has brilliant skill and knows how to use his size to his advantage, I know people have said he was inconsistent, but does he show that same level of skill every game or does he get lazy during bad stretches?

The only thing I could think is he's a player who was, at least partially, a victim of his linemates.

(as a hockey fan I)Would love to see him with either Malkin/Sid, Datsyuk, or even Backstrom.

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He was offered 2M/2Y by Pens. Said I'll wait till Doan and Ryan are over.
I'd wait too. He's clearly worth more.

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I've never really paid attention enough, who were his typical linemates in Montreal? Watching highlight videos of him shows a player who has brilliant skill and knows how to use his size to his advantage, I know people have said he was inconsistent, but does he show that same level of skill every game or does he get lazy during bad stretches?

The only thing I could think is he's a player who was, at least partially, a victim of his linemates.

(as a hockey fan I)Would love to see him with either Malkin/Sid, Datsyuk, or even Backstrom.
He isn't lazy , he just doesn't have Toews hockey IQ but he's no Patrick Stefan... Seriously though his best season was when he was used in a consistent top 6 role with the same linemates. Kostitsyn is the type of player that flourishes with chemistry and the right type of players on his side , sure that can be said about pretty much any NHL player but Kostitsyn can be a great complimentary player if he is given the chance to adapt. His English is bad at best , he has no interest in the KHL (to my knowledged/imo) , he is a funny guy that doesn't have any known locker issues (except for missing curfew during playoffs by 45 min and being grossly over punished and lopped into the category of heartless). Kostitsyn could have games where he scores 2G-1A and just simply dominates and makes you believe that games where he doesn't produce make him lazy or inconsistent. What is consistency? In my opionion he is the definition of Kostistency he has produced similar numbers over the last 5 NHL seasons
averaging just under 24 goals and 46 points per season. No player in the NHL produces to their maximum potential every game , however certain players tend to take the heat more then overs. The point is with Kostitsyn what you see is what you get a talented sniper/dangler that is always good for at least 20 goals playing anywhere in your top 9 , he can play defensively responsible (but I wouldn't call him a PK specialist by any means) , he is usually in the top 3 in hits on his team. He will always be compared to his 2003 draft class and the power of hindsight can really fool many people in believing it's fair to say he's no Getzlaf/Perry/Richards...

Just for fun I did 2003 Draft with ppg calculated (about 25 forwards by best ppg + a few D just for fun). Now I do realize points don't tell the whole story as different team playing styles , line mates , time frame in which players develop(rebuilding team/bubble team)...

Player/Career PPG
R.Getzlaf 75.5
E.Staal 73.3
T.Vanek 67
Corey Perry 67
Z. Parise 67 PPG
P. Bergeron 61.2
M . Richards 61.1
J.Carter 59.9
L.Eriksson 59.4
J.Pavelski 58
N.Horton 56.9
M.Moulson 53.7
M.Michalek 53.2
N.Zherdev 50.8
D.Backes 50
D.Brown 49.5
R.Kesler 49.3
A.Kostitsyn 45.7
L.Stempniak 43.6
C.MacArthur 43.6
D.Jones 40.1
P.O'Sullivan 39.5
K.Brodziak 33.7
S.Bernier 32.5
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D.Phaneuf 46
S.Weber 44.9
T.Enstrom 44
D.Byfuglien 43.3
R.Suter 36
M.Carle 35.2
B.Burns 33.8
B.Seabrook 33.6



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08-24-2012, 11:05 PM
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Why not resign in Montreal,he would of never left anyway if it wasnt for gauthier ,he'll still put uP 20-25+ goals a year which would help Montreal a whole lot...

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Probably waiting for Doan to sign.

Then he'll listen to offers from the KHL and see if desperate teams overpay in the NHL for him in a last resort.

I'm sure he goes to the KHL.

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Islanders would be awesome he's the type of low risk high reward deal we would make

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Probably waiting for Doan to sign.

Then he'll listen to offers from the KHL and see if desperate teams overpay in the NHL for him in a last resort.

I'm sure he goes to the KHL.
Why do people keep saying this if he rejected KHL offers? People said the same of his brother. Both are still in the NHL.

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Well, he played with Scott Gomez no ?

Boy did that kill him.
Each time he played with Plekanec he came up with season of 20+ goals..Altought I don't think he'll ever reach his potential... He was supposed to be a 40 goal scorer.

We never know look at Neil
Just an example...take it however you want.

Neal was a 20 goal scorer in Dallas with Ribeiro and Richards.

Neal is a 40 goal scorer after 1 full season with Malkin. Not saying Kostitsyn could do the same, but I wouldn't rule out 30 if he had chemistry with Sid or Geno. I mean think real hard about this...he wants to stay in the NHL, if you are given the opportunity to play for a legit contender and a shot at playing with either of the 2 best centers in the game...you find new motivation to prove everyone that doubted you that you can change and be better.

There are plenty of cases where a player hasn't changed and AK could be in that pile too, but I kind of want to give him the benefit of the doubt first, he didn't play with an elite center in his entire career on either the preds or habs, until he does and fails...I'll be optimistic about the kid.

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Why do people keep saying this if he rejected KHL offers? People said the same of his brother. Both are still in the NHL.
has something to do with three colours, red white and blue, but fewer stars...haha

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Why do people keep saying this if he rejected KHL offers? People said the same of his brother. Both are still in the NHL.
because he's BeloRussian duh!

they all want to go to the KHL!

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Why do people keep saying this if he rejected KHL offers? People said the same of his brother. Both are still in the NHL.
Because it's unlikely he receives an offer in the NHL. His last fiasco in Nashville in the playoffs may have been the last nail in the coffin.

Also, is there a credible link somewhere that he refused major money from the KHL or is that a pipe dream from his supporters?

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I'm sort of surprised the Rangers are in on Doan, but not on AK considering Doan's insane demands (if true).

AK can play the kind of game the Rangers would want him to play (minus the insane amount of shotblocking - but I feel that will change with this year's team and having the puck a lot more often than less) I think AK could provide a similar amount of secondary scoring and skill the Rangers would need at a lot lower of a price than Shane Doan.

AK could easily slot into the Rangers top-6 moving Hagelin to the 3rd line where he won't burn himself out like he did last season. 84 games of skating at 100+ mph every shift will do that to you.

Maybe it's the character issues keeping the Rangers away.

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Because it's unlikely he receives an offer in the NHL. His last fiasco in Nashville in the playoffs may have been the last nail in the coffin.

Also, is there a credible link somewhere that he refused major money from the KHL or is that a pipe dream from his supporters?
It was a while ago, but yes; a KHL team offered him(I believe it was) 6 million.

He and Radulov missed curfew by 45 minutes, in a different timezone, and on a night where they had no morning activities.

The more likely reason he hasn't been signed yet it the same reason free agency has been slow from the start; very few teams want to give new contracts to UFAs if there isn't even a season. He will be signed regardless, but it will be AFTER Doan.

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My guess is Columbus.

Howson has been very adamant about trying to compile a team focused on grit and character / leadership. However, he's an idiot. So I think he'll contradict himself and go after AK.
We get far more than enough of this ill-informed perpetual punchline bull**** from other fans without spreading it ourselves.

If he was actually desired here, he would have been signed months ago.


Honestly, at this rate I think he'll be what amounts to a late-offseason injury replacement signing. Assuming he doesn't just give up and leap to the KHL once October rolls around.

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We get far more than enough of this ill-informed perpetual punchline bull**** from other fans without spreading it ourselves.

If he was actually desired here, he would have been signed months ago.


Honestly, at this rate I think he'll be what amounts to a late-offseason injury replacement signing. Assuming he doesn't just give up and leap to the KHL once October rolls around.
you're right, Howson is a genius, which explains why Columbus is in such great shape. didn't the supposed cornerstone of your franchise just escape to new york? three coaches in four years? awesome.

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you're right, Howson is a genius, which explains why Columbus is in such great shape. didn't the supposed cornerstone of your franchise just escape to new york? three coaches in four years? awesome.
Allow me to show you something.



These are called "shades of grey". They have a metaphorical meaning which applies here. If you're clever, you might figure it out!

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Why not resign in Montreal,he would of never left anyway if it wasnt for gauthier ,he'll still put uP 20-25+ goals a year which would help Montreal a whole lot...
We're trying to change direction in Montreal and he's not the answer. No thanks.

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We're trying to change direction in Montreal and he's not the answer. No thanks.
Apparently. Every NHL season of AK-46's career he has played in PO. Doesn't look like MC is going to be in playoffs in next 2-3 years, so yeah he is not the answer.
I really don't understand all the hate the guy gets. Well, I can understand that a user with nickname Lucic will hate him. It is hard to accept that a guy you name yourself after is been knocked on his booty every time he collides with Andrei.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiIKwSw0qqY
Doesn't make sense to see habs fans hate him. Did he not live up to the standards some fans wanted him to be? Was he getting paid 7m+ and did nothing for the team? He was mainly playing on a third line with line-mates like Moen, Eller or Gomez and still managed to put in average 45 points in a season. Well if you wanted him to be that elite player, maybe just maybe you should provide him with elite line-mates. Maybe he shouldn't be demoted from his line when he was bringing it to try and get Gomez or Gionta going.
Comments about contract year for European player were just as ugly as a story about him been criminal. Montreal police tried so hard to find anything but failed, twice. But some people chose to believe this story is true, just because they want it to be true. The fact is that every time I watch highlights for visually amazing goals scored by MC Andrei will be involved in good 2/3 of them. Another fact is that MC fail to develop their 1-st rounders. It smells like he is a scape-goat more than anything else.
Cancer in locker-room? Well I've heart he was one of most loved players in Montreal's locker room. So where this BS coming from?
The story with Radu is totally overblown. 1 hour at most late WITH NO ALCOHOL or partying included? Gimme a break. Read this story first and tell me if you think Poile wasn't over-reacting or maybe finding excuses why the team lost....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...ne/MAG1198348/

To sum it up. If someone thinks that Shane Doan 35 years old with 28 points in 55 PO games worth 7 mil and AK (8 years younger) with 23 points in 49 PO games (has almost same numbers and same experience) doesn't belong to NHL I feel pity for them

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Apparently. Every NHL season of AK-46's career he has played in PO. Doesn't look like MC is going to be in playoffs in next 2-3 years, so yeah he is not the answer.
I really don't understand all the hate the guy gets. Well, I can understand that a user with nickname Lucic will hate him. It is hard to accept that a guy you name yourself after is been knocked on his booty every time he collides with Andrei.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiIKwSw0qqY
Doesn't make sense to see habs fans hate him. Did he not live up to the standards some fans wanted him to be? Was he getting paid 7m+ and did nothing for the team? He was mainly playing on a third line with line-mates like Moen, Eller or Gomez and still managed to put in average 45 points in a season. Well if you wanted him to be that elite player, maybe just maybe you should provide him with elite line-mates. Maybe he shouldn't be demoted from his line when he was bringing it to try and get Gomez or Gionta going.
Comments about contract year for European player were just as ugly as a story about him been criminal. Montreal police tried so hard to find anything but failed, twice. But some people chose to believe this story is true, just because they want it to be true. The fact is that every time I watch highlights for visually amazing goals scored by MC Andrei will be involved in good 2/3 of them. Another fact is that MC fail to develop their 1-st rounders. It smells like he is a scape-goat more than anything else.
Cancer in locker-room? Well I've heart he was one of most loved players in Montreal's locker room. So where this BS coming from?
The story with Radu is totally overblown. 1 hour at most late WITH NO ALCOHOL or partying included? Gimme a break. Read this story first and tell me if you think Poile wasn't over-reacting or maybe finding excuses why the team lost....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...ne/MAG1198348/

To sum it up. If someone thinks that Shane Doan 35 years old with 28 points in 55 PO games worth 7 mil and AK (8 years younger) with 23 points in 49 PO games (has almost same numbers and same experience) doesn't belong to NHL I feel pity for them
The type of people who hate Russians are also going to hate Belarussians. The hate-on we're seeing for Kostitsyn is no different than what Habs fans saw of Kovalev when he was in Montreal. He averaged 65 points over 4 seasons which includes a season where was recovering from vertigo, and people whined that he was "inconsistent".

Andrei Kostitsyn is the type of player who will produce 20 goals, 20 assists over 80 games in spite of having played with a panoply of wingers, he maintains his pace in the playoffs, and he also delivers good hits and has excellent defensive/shutdown ability. He's either a luxury 3rd liner, a legitimate 2nd liner, or a backup 1st liner in case of injuries. You can't build your team around him but you can include him as a piece to complement your core.

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