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Which trade with Toronto would you undo?

View Poll Results: Which trade with Toronto would you undo?
Kaberle for Colborne 1st and 2nd 94 97.92%
1st, 1st, 2nd for Kessel 2 2.08%
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08-24-2012, 08:30 AM
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In ten years the 'Kessel trade' will be properly dissected. It'll look like Toronto gave Boston: Patrick Roy, Nik Lidstrom & Steve Yzerman...for Theo Fluery.

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08-24-2012, 08:43 AM
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In ten years the 'Kessel trade' will be properly dissected. It'll look like Toronto gave Boston: Patrick Roy, Nik Lidstrom & Steve Yzerman...for Theo Fluery.
I just think the simplest way to dissect it is to consider who would "undo" the Kessel trade.

Not one single Boston Bruins fan, executive, scout, player, zamboni driver, etc etc etc would undo the trade if they had the choice.

I have no proof of this, but if Burke had the chance to "undo" it he would in an absolute heartbeat. Same goes for the majority of people in Toronto.

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08-24-2012, 08:55 AM
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I just think the simplest way to dissect it is to consider who would "undo" the Kessel trade.

Not one single Boston Bruins fan, executive, scout, player, zamboni driver, etc etc etc would undo the trade if they had the choice.

I have no proof of this, but if Burke had the chance to "undo" it he would in an absolute heartbeat. Same goes for the majority of people in Toronto.
TVT forget Kessel, is there even a single 'player' in the NHL whom you would package Seguin & Hamilton for in a trade today?

Crosby? Concussion issues..

Stamkos? Maybe..

Malkin?

That's what tells me that Boston won this trade far & away.

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08-24-2012, 10:02 AM
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TVT forget Kessel, is there even a single 'player' in the NHL whom you would package Seguin & Hamilton for in a trade today?

Crosby? Concussion issues..

Stamkos? Maybe..

Malkin?

That's what tells me that Boston won this trade far & away.
Malkin and Stamkos are definites for me. Maybe Grioux as well, but not too sure.

You're right tho...Seguins value is absolutely through the roof, and Hamilton is an absolute blue chipper.

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08-24-2012, 10:35 AM
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Malkin and Stamkos are definites for me. Maybe Grioux as well, but not too sure.

You're right tho...Seguins value is absolutely through the roof, and Hamilton is an absolute blue chipper.
Then when you consider a young Marchand who perhaps has 30g potential, Lucic, the beggining of the Hamilton Era, assuming Krejci & Bergeron remain par.. I cant understand WHY some fans were crying in their Cheerios when Chia didnt land Parise or Suter this offseason. Chiarelli & Neely have assembled an impressive roster, most yet to hit their prime years, with the exception of Chara (yet they've even managed to find a potential replacement for him if/ when he decides to hang up his skates).

Knight, Spooner, ...wow. I cant remember a time when a Bruins team had almost every angle covered. Goaltending, defense, offense, high end prospects,.. Kudos to team management, & yet I cant help but feel the best is yet to come.

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In ten years the 'Kessel trade' will be properly dissected. It'll look like Toronto gave Boston: Patrick Roy, Nik Lidstrom & Steve Yzerman...for Theo Fluery.
one thing I am sure of is Theo Fleury at his peak years was a much better player than Phil will ever be.

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TVT forget Kessel, is there even a single 'player' in the NHL whom you would package Seguin & Hamilton for in a trade today?

Crosby? Concussion issues..

Stamkos? Maybe..

Malkin?

That's what tells me that Boston won this trade far & away.
Stamkos, Malkin, Giroux, Doughty, maybe Ovechkin if he ever started playing like he cares again. Other than that list though...no.

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Then when you consider a young Marchand who perhaps has 30g potential, Lucic, the beggining of the Hamilton Era, assuming Krejci & Bergeron remain par.. I cant understand WHY some fans were crying in their Cheerios when Chia didnt land Parise or Suter this offseason. Chiarelli & Neely have assembled an impressive roster, most yet to hit their prime years, with the exception of Chara (yet they've even managed to find a potential replacement for him if/ when he decides to hang up his skates).

Knight, Spooner, ...wow. I cant remember a time when a Bruins team had almost every angle covered. Goaltending, defense, offense, high end prospects,.. Kudos to team management, & yet I cant help but feel the best is yet to come.
Not to be a debbie downer, but I'm not ready to pencil in Dougie as Chara's replacement and Knight and Spooner as anything yet. We once got extremely excited about names like Lashoff, Klaus, Karsums, and Toivonen(actually, I'm looking at a list from this very website where Lashoff and Klaus were considered better than Krejci, Karsums, John Siglet, Sobotka and Alexandrov were better than Lucic, Marchand, and Hunwick )

No doubt the future looks bright right now, but we've all been burned too many times to pencil players in as #1 defenders and high end prospects

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08-25-2012, 12:43 PM
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this thread really belongs on the Toronto board, doesn't it? Which trade would you undo- Raycroft for Rask, Kessel for picks= Seguin + Hamilton +. Keep 'em coming.
Oh, and you can keep Colborne. I was never a Kaberle fan, but I don't see losing Colborne as a big loss for the B's.

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08-25-2012, 01:01 PM
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We once got extremely excited about names like Lashoff, Klaus, Karsums, and Toivonen(actually, I'm looking at a list from this very website where Lashoff and Klaus were considered better than Krejci, Karsums, John Siglet, Sobotka and Alexandrov were better than Lucic, Marchand, and Hunwick )
Yep, Lashoff's playing in Europe in the meantime. Saw him play in Germany about 2 weeks ago.

He's with ZSC Lions of Zürich, Switzerland right now.

Didn't check the roster before the game so I never knew what hit me

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08-26-2012, 01:08 AM
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this thread really belongs on the Toronto board, doesn't it? Which trade would you undo- Raycroft for Rask, Kessel for picks= Seguin + Hamilton +. Keep 'em coming.
Oh, and you can keep Colborne. I was never a Kaberle fan, but I don't see losing Colborne as a big loss for the B's.

Burkie's nightmares.
Actually, i do regret the kaberle trade. Yes i know we won the cup yadayada, but Kaberle was brought in to fix our power play and it was clearly far worse with him in the fold and he was eventually limited to 13 minutes a night. Clearly the Bruins won the cup indpite of him and not because of him. Joe Colbourne is still a really good prospect, the 1st rounder would have been better had Bruins scouts selected it and the 2nd rounder, the leafs turned into jm liles. Sorry, we took a bath on that deal plain and simple. Never could understand Chias man crush on Kaberle. Way over rated as anyone who watched him on a regular basis could attest to. Thank God Burke balked at Chias original offer of Kessel and Bruins 1 st Caron for Kaberle and Leafs 1st Kadri. I wouldnt even trade Caron for akadri straight up now and can you immagine Kaberle instead of Seguin, Hamilton and Knight for Kessel? Ouch!

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08-26-2012, 01:17 AM
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Actually, i do regret the kaberle trade. Yes i know we won the cup yadayada, but Kaberle was brought in to fix our power play and it was clearly far worse with him in the fold and he was eventually limited to 13 minutes a night. Clearly the Bruins won the cup indpite of him and not because of him. Joe Colbourne is still a really good prospect, the 1st rounder would have been better had Bruins scouts selected it and the 2nd rounder, the leafs turned into jm liles. Sorry, we took a bath on that deal plain and simple. Never could understand Chias man crush on Kaberle. Way over rated as anyone who watched him on a regular basis could attest to. Thank God Burke balked at Chias original offer of Kessel and Bruins 1 st Caron for Kaberle and Leafs 1st Kadri. I wouldnt even trade Caron for akadri straight up now and can you immagine Kaberle instead of Seguin, Hamilton and Knight for Kessel? Ouch!
Kaberle wasn't great for us but I don't regret the trade. The next guy on the depth chart was Shane Hnidy, who really wasn't NHL caliber anymore. Kaberle didn't help the pp but still managed to help the offense with 11 assists in the playoffs, Hnidy certainly wouldn't have done that. After a bad start to the playoffs, Kaberle played alright defensively, though lower minutes. Really on a good team that is exactly what Kaberle is: a 3rd pairing pp specialist.

It seemed like we gave up quite a bit but Colborne hasn't proven much of anything to date, and a 30th pick and a late second because we made the finals.

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08-26-2012, 06:40 AM
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Kaberle wasn't great for us but I don't regret the trade. The next guy on the depth chart was Shane Hnidy, who really wasn't NHL caliber anymore. Kaberle didn't help the pp but still managed to help the offense with 11 assists in the playoffs, Hnidy certainly wouldn't have done that. After a bad start to the playoffs, Kaberle played alright defensively, though lower minutes. Really on a good team that is exactly what Kaberle is: a 3rd pairing pp specialist.

It seemed like we gave up quite a bit but Colborne hasn't proven much of anything to date, and a 30th pick and a late second because we made the finals.
Wasn`t too special on our PP though

I wasn`t then, nor now a fan at all of the Kabby aquisition but....it`ll always be difficult to argue it when a Cup was won, if it wasn`t, fans here would still be starting new threads of anger directed at Chia for that move

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Wasn`t too special on our PP though

I wasn`t then, nor now a fan at all of the Kabby aquisition but....it`ll always be difficult to argue it when a Cup was won, if it wasn`t, fans here would still be starting new threads of anger directed at Chia for that move
I don't think I would mind too much even if they didn't win the Cup. It showed me that they were going for it and isn't that what we all want?

Looking back at it the deal was Colborne, the #30 and #60 pick in the draft, the Leafs already gave the Bruins the flexibility to make that move by giving up those picks for Kessel. Chiarelli doesn't make those deals if he doesn't already have better picks from the Leafs in my opinion.

Leaf fans want to make it sound better for them by saying they got Biggs and Liles, but that isn't what they got, they needed to add a pick to move up to pick Biggs and I am not convinced that Biggs was the best player available there and Liles was a pending UFA.

Chiarelli made that deal only because he had so many picks, he didn't give up Spooner or Knight, he gave up Colborne who with every passing season looks like more and more of a bad pick on the Bruins part.

I would be ok with it even if they didn't win just like I was ok with them trading for Gonchar and Nylander even though they only played for the Bruins for a very short time.

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Hello Bruins fans. Over on the Leafs board we have a Poll going right now asking which trade with the Bruins we would undo. The options were the Rask for Raycroft trade or Kessel for the future of the orginization trade. (guess where I stand) We weren't even given the Kaberle option because it isn't nearly as polarizing from a Leafs standpoint. Likewise, I won't even include the Rask trade on this poll as I highly doubt anyone here missed the Rayzor.

So which one would you undo:

Kaberle for Colborne, Biggs and essentially John Michael Lilles

OR

Seguin, Hamilton and Knight for Kessel
I would undo Jacques Plante for Eddie Johnston. Actually anytime Toronto wants to deal I'm all ears. Nothing like picking the pocket of someone that thinks they are the smartest guy in the room.

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I would undo the Bill Derlago for Tom Fergus deal in a heartbeat. Johnny Pierson loved Tommy's 'twisted wrister'

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I would undo the Bill Derlago for Tom Fergus deal in a heartbeat. Johnny Pierson loved Tommy's 'twisted wrister'
Fergus was the only Bruin who scored against Montreal in the postseason and then got traded in the offseason, if memory serves.

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Malkin and Stamkos are definites for me. Maybe Grioux as well, but not too sure.

You're right tho...Seguins value is absolutely through the roof, and Hamilton is an absolute blue chipper.
For BOTH of them, no way. No single player is worth both.

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Fergus was the only Bruin who scored against Montreal in the postseason and then got traded in the offseason, if memory serves.
"Tom Fergus, the Bruin with the MX Missle Wristshot"...great article in Hockey Digest back in the day.

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For BOTH of them, no way. No single player is worth both.
Excuse me? You wouldnt trade Seguin and Hamilton (Seguin semi-unproven, Hamilton completely unproven) for a borderline generational talent in Malkin (who just turned 26)? Id do that in an absolute heartbeat. What about that 60 goal scoring 22 year old in Stamkos? Any day of the week.

Those are the only two definites, Giroux maybe not, but Stamkos/Malkin are no brainers IMO.

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