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08-25-2012, 06:53 PM
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Personally I would say no to the deal and not because I don't think Zajac is good but Irving is the first goaltender since Kipper to look like he belongs in the nhl and I have high hopes for him. With Kipper already 36 we simply can't trade away our best goalie prospect who we have spent the time developing to get a centermen who I don't believe is the solution to our center problems long term.
You don't want to trade your goalie prospect because you need depth at the position, that's fine. Since we don't want a goalie prospect because it'd be redundant anyway, I don't know why this is such a big problem for fans on both sides. Just move along.

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08-25-2012, 07:59 PM
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The original proposal was funny enough, then some Flames fans decide that they actually wouldn't do the trade because Irving is too important. It's gonna be fun watching Feaster deny a rebuild for another year.
The arrogance in this post is through the roof. Sorry that we don't want to give up our future #1 starter in a deal. Oh, and cue the good old Flames-need-a-rebuild posts when you feel the need to throw some sort of insult at us.

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The arrogance in this post is through the roof. Sorry that we don't want to give up our future #1 starter in a deal. Oh, and cue the good old Flames-need-a-rebuild posts when you feel the need to throw some sort of insult at us.

I think it was caused because the guy proclaimed that Irving has more value than Zajac. That's where this stemmed from. I understand not wanting to give him up, but the person said he has more value. I could be wrong, but I think that's what this is about.

I can understand not wanting to give him up, but to say he has more value is kind of a foolish assertion. That's like the Devils trading for someone like Voracek for a package of like Tallinder, Merrill, and a second, but a Devils fan objecting because Merrill is in the trade. However, if a Devils fan would say Merrill has more value, that would be a pretty ridiculous assertion. Same thing with someone saying Irving has more value.

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08-26-2012, 03:34 AM
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Nothing really impressive.
Wrong. While I agree the proposal is pretty bad, Irving is far from a bust.

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08-26-2012, 10:37 AM
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Irving isn't a bust, but there's also no guarantee that he's a future starter like Flames fans are saying. Stopgaps can be found anywhere these days. For Irving to be the snag on this deal is bizarre to us Devils fans, but since we don't like the deal either because it's not fair value for Zajac, we agree that it is a bad one, though for different reasons. I'm willing to leave it at that.

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08-26-2012, 10:39 AM
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I don't think my proposal is bad at all value wise. Maybe swap Byron out with Ferland and its very close. But if the Devils have no interest in Irving (which I assumed they would) then it is flawed. But I think the value is there for sure, Irving is massively underrated.

If he gets 20+ games this year he will get a lot more recognition.

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08-26-2012, 11:31 AM
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I don't think my proposal is bad at all value wise. Maybe swap Byron out with Ferland and its very close. But if the Devils have no interest in Irving (which I assumed they would) then it is flawed. But I think the value is there for sure, Irving is massively underrated.

If he gets 20+ games this year he will get a lot more recognition.
Nothing against Irving but the main thing to understand is that Goalies have low value in the NHL market nowadays. So unless you're in a pretty urgent need like Tampa, teams just don't make trades for goalies anymore. NJD is not in that situation yet.


Franchises develop their own goaltenders or sign them via free-agency at worst. That's it.


And CGY should keep Irving moreover.

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08-26-2012, 03:28 PM
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I don't think my proposal is bad at all value wise. Maybe swap Byron out with Ferland and its very close. But if the Devils have no interest in Irving (which I assumed they would) then it is flawed. But I think the value is there for sure, Irving is massively underrated.

If he gets 20+ games this year he will get a lot more recognition.
It's just as Devils fans we see a lot more in Zajac than outsiders do. A trade for Zajac would have to blow our socks off for us to do it. Devils would probably want to acquire a first round pick in some way, mainly because we are going to not have one in one of the next two drafts.

To me, a trade for Zajac would have to include a potential top-six player, and a first round pick. Probably more depending on who that player is:

A good scenario: Zajac for Stalberg, McNeil, and a first.

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08-26-2012, 05:00 PM
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I don't think my proposal is bad at all value wise. Maybe swap Byron out with Ferland and its very close. But if the Devils have no interest in Irving (which I assumed they would) then it is flawed. But I think the value is there for sure, Irving is massively underrated.

If he gets 20+ games this year he will get a lot more recognition.
I think the proposal is awful value wise, we need top 6 wingers, your proposal doesn't even have a top 6 forward coming our way

no team trades their #1 center for a goalie prospect

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I don't think my proposal is bad at all value wise. Maybe swap Byron out with Ferland and its very close. But if the Devils have no interest in Irving (which I assumed they would) then it is flawed. But I think the value is there for sure, Irving is massively underrated.

If he gets 20+ games this year he will get a lot more recognition.
I'll have to disagree with you, I think it's pretty bad value. The Devils have no interest in a goalie prospect, and if you were to shop Irving around the league right now, I think you'd find that he doesn't have quite the value you think he does.

Moreover, the Devils consider Zajac to be the linchpin of both their offensive and defensive games, and this makes him one of the most important players on the team. He is the Devils' top option for so many roles on the team that he is indispensable: first line centre, shutdown centre, faceoff specialist, top pairing penalty killer, and first PP unit. He's not going anywhere unless Lou loses his mind.

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08-26-2012, 10:15 PM
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To NJ:



Matt Stajan
Paul Byron
Leland Irving

To Calgary:



Travis Zajac

The Devils get a probable future NHL starter in Irving, a feisty, fast skating prospect in Byron, and someone that can fill in Zajac's role in Stajan.

From a Flames perspective, what really hurts here is to lose Irving. But Zajac is a good player and I would move him in that deal considering our goaltending depth is by far our biggest area of depth. By moving Stajan, the Flames would have the cap space to lock Zajac up long term and not risk losing him to FA.

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I wouldnt take this deal from either perspective really. Devils have tons of goalie prospects, leaving irving as just another rookie goalie. Stajan would just eat cap, byron isnt bad but is nothing special. Zajac is needed with parise gone. The flames have enough top 6 really, and with almost no goaltending future keeping irving is a must, as for byron well any half decent player under 30 calgary should keep for later on after iggy and tangs etc are gone

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08-27-2012, 03:45 AM
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It's just as Devils fans we see a lot more in Zajac than outsiders do. A trade for Zajac would have to blow our socks off for us to do it. Devils would probably want to acquire a first round pick in some way, mainly because we are going to not have one in one of the next two drafts.

To me, a trade for Zajac would have to include a potential top-six player, and a first round pick. Probably more depending on who that player is:

A good scenario: Zajac for Stalberg, McNeil, and a first.
Wow, you would never get that much in return. As underrated as Zajac is, he's no elite and pending UFA too.
You'd get McNeil and a second at best.

I'm neither a Flames or Blackhaws fan but a Devils'.

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I wouldnt take this deal from either perspective really. Devils have tons of goalie prospects, leaving irving as just another rookie goalie. Stajan would just eat cap, byron isnt bad but is nothing special. Zajac is needed with parise gone. The flames have enough top 6 really, and with almost no goaltending future keeping irving is a must, as for byron well any half decent player under 30 calgary should keep for later on after iggy and tangs etc are gone
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