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08-25-2012, 10:39 PM
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Would easily snatch a first rounder at this point since he's done well since being drafted.

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08-25-2012, 10:41 PM
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I'd rather Hamilton, Gormley, Smith, Hamilton over Klefbom. AINEC. Twice on Sundays. Rundblad is a toss-up. And Rielly wasn't a 4 game superstar, too bad you don't watch CHL games.
I don't think you do either.

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08-25-2012, 10:46 PM
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Dorsett or Mason from Columbus?

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08-25-2012, 10:51 PM
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It's not because he is not Canadian. Do you see Chara/Malkin/Ovy underrated? No. Granlund either. Rielly had a very small chance, but still a chance, of contending for #1. Read back, and you see that. Leaf fans didn't want him because our biggest weakness was 1C, and there was a few of them top 5 contending. Your comment on 3rd of dmen, you have to love overrating.

First, Klefbom has been hyped since been drafted by many scouts

Second, Brodin is getting all the love but last year him and klefbom were on an even par.

Third and most arbitruary, Klefbom was voted to the first team all star team at the WJC proving he can raise he game when his team needs him.

Some past members on the first team all stars include: karlsson, subban, pietroangelo, carlson, hedmen, doughty, letang, ellis.

Pretty good company. But ya second rounder for sure...

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08-25-2012, 10:53 PM
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Dorsett or Mason from Columbus?
I'd rather the Oilers invest time and money into developing Klefbom and have him completely bust, than trade him for Mason.

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08-25-2012, 10:54 PM
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He was drafted 19th overall, and has done nothing but increase his value to our team, so any offer less than that seems a bit low.

I have no idea what the Oilers as a team would ASK for, but seems it would be high enough that no teams would want to pay it and we would keep him.

He's our best D prospect, and our defense is average at best even after adding Schultz, so seems unlikely he is ever getting dealt.

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08-25-2012, 10:56 PM
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And Rielly wasn't a 4 game superstar, too bad you don't watch CHL games.
Rielly has exploding legs and plays against U-20 competition. Klefbom is 2 months from being a 2012 draftee. He made the Swedish Elite League at 17. When he plays against U-20 he dominates, hence the WJC all-star nod.

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08-25-2012, 11:03 PM
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I'd rather the Oilers invest time and money into developing Klefbom and have him completely bust, than trade him for Mason.
What about Dorsett energy guy who will take on anyone.. good net presence young enough to grow with the core and fits a longterm need for the Oil. Klefbom could be a a second pairing D in Columbus with Erixon in a year or 2.

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08-25-2012, 11:10 PM
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What about Dorsett energy guy who will take on anyone.. good net presence young enough to grow with the core and fits a longterm need for the Oil. Klefbom could be a a second pairing D in Columbus with Erixon in a year or 2.
Dorsett is a grinder, why in the bloody H would the oilers trade a promising 1/2nd pairing defenseman for a grinder. Jeezus.

I look at klefbom and pitlick for Johansen

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08-25-2012, 11:16 PM
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I'm curious what Klefbom did (or did not do) that has caused his value in some eyes to fall from his original draft position.
This is what I'm thinking too. I wonder why no one's answered yet... Hmmmmmmm...

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08-25-2012, 11:21 PM
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This is what I'm thinking too. I wonder why no one's answered yet... Hmmmmmmm...
Because it's easier to just say he is worth a 2nd rounder and then leave the thread It's pretty funny, and a bit sad.

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08-25-2012, 11:22 PM
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Dorsett is a grinder, why in the bloody H would the oilers trade a promising 1/2nd pairing defenseman for a grinder. Jeezus.

I look at klefbom and pitlick for Johansen

Well I think you would have to add for Johansen.


Grinders effect games as well and he would produce some offence he had 12G in Columbus last year and has a solid two way game. Players like Dorsett are not easy to find he is a willing combatant and young with some skill.


perhaps adding a mid tier prospect with projected bottom pairing potential could even it out.

The Oil need him more than Klefbom.

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08-25-2012, 11:27 PM
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Well I think you would have to add for Johansen.


Grinders effect games as well and he would produce some offence he had 12G in Columbus last year and has a solid two way game. Players like Dorsett are not easy to find he is a willing combatant and young with some skill.


perhaps adding a mid tier prospect with projected bottom pairing potential could even it out.

The Oil need him more than Klefbom.
some people eh so if I'm correct, and I understand you right, the oilers need a 20 pt fighter ( in which we have hordichuk, eager) over a high level 8.0 defense prospect?

Is that the point you just tried to make to the world?

Eager for erixon straight up then

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08-25-2012, 11:27 PM
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Well I think you would have to add for Johansen.


Grinders effect games as well and he would produce some offence he had 12G in Columbus last year and has a solid two way game. Players like Dorsett are not easy to find he is a willing combatant and young with some skill.


perhaps adding a mid tier prospect with projected bottom pairing potential could even it out.

The Oil need him more than Klefbom
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The Oilers biggest need is top pairing defensemen, which aren't available through trade, and rarely through free agency these days. So why would they trade a potential one of a guy who will top out as Ryan Jones?

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08-25-2012, 11:29 PM
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high second rounder - to - maybe a low 1st rounder
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Klefbom is probably a top 20-25 prospect or close to and is just starting to develop, why would the Oilers deal him at all?
I'm sure that they would only deal him in a package for an established top pairing defenseman otherwise, there's no point in dealing him.
somehow moving up his SEL team's depth chart and being named top-2 Dman at the WJC has moved his value down...



He is at minimum worth a #15OV (in general without looking at a specific draft).

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08-25-2012, 11:29 PM
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First, Klefbom has been hyped since been drafted by many scouts

Second, Brodin is getting all the love but last year him and klefbom were on an even par.

Third and most arbitruary, Klefbom was voted to the first team all star team at the WJC proving he can raise he game when his team needs him.

Some past members on the first team all stars include: karlsson, subban, pietroangelo, carlson, hedmen, doughty, letang, ellis.

Pretty good company. But ya second rounder for sure...
Some no-name company also; Pascal Leclaire, Sami Lepisto, Mathieu Biron, Viktor Tikhonov, Alexei Cherepanov, Lauri Tukonen. For every success there will be 2 fails.

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Some no-name company also; Pascal Leclaire, Sami Lepisto, Mathieu Biron, Viktor Tikhonov, Alexei Cherepanov, Lauri Tukonen. For every success there will be 2 fails.
thats fine...but how did he lose value since being drafted as some in here would suggest?

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08-25-2012, 11:32 PM
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The Oilers biggest need is top pairing defensemen, which aren't available through trade, and rarely through free agency these days. So why would they trade a potential one of a guy who will top out as Ryan Jones?
You think that RyJo will top out as Jones? Boy, he is way past that already.

EDIT: nvm if you were talking about Dorsett.


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08-25-2012, 11:34 PM
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thats fine...but how did he lose value since being drafted as some in here would suggest?
He hasn't. Just that people are saying that he is worth impact players/estabilished top pair dmen.

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08-25-2012, 11:36 PM
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Some no-name company also; Pascal Leclaire, Sami Lepisto, Mathieu Biron, Viktor Tikhonov, Alexei Cherepanov, Lauri Tukonen. For every success there will be 2 fails.
I was going with all star defense from recent tournments, but I guess if I wanted to create a weak argument Id choose forwards from 2006 and goalies from 2002 or something like that as well

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Some no-name company also; Pascal Leclaire, Sami Lepisto, Mathieu Biron, Viktor Tikhonov, Alexei Cherepanov, Lauri Tukonen. For every success there will be 2 fails.
Don't bring goalies or forwards into this. The WJC is a short tournament. It's easy for a foward or goalie to have a hot streak that makes them seem elite. That happens far less often with defence. Here are the Defence all stars since 2005 sorted by age.

Hedman 6218 days
Doughty 6593 days
Klefbom 6734 days
Karlsson 6784 days
E. Johnson 6855 days
Bourdon 6888 days
J. Johnson 6922 days
Orlov 7086 days
Subban 7137 days
Letang 7155 days
Phaneuf 7169 days
Gormley 7220 days
Suter 7248 days
Pietrangelo 7251 days
Carlson 7259 days
Ellis 7266 days

Pretty strong list.

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Second, Brodin is getting all the love but last year him and klefbom were on an even par.
No he's not. Brodin is criminally underrated on this board, even more so than Klefblom. Really? Top 20-25 prospect? Klefblom is becoming extremely overrated on this board.

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You think that RyJo will top out as Jones? Boy, he is way past that already.
He was talking about dorsett.

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Klefbom ended up last season playing on the top pair with Jonas Brodin with his SEL team and some say he is better than Jonas Brodin. Since last years WJC he has made leaps and bounds in development and you can not judge him by his stats. He has top pair potential, not top 4 potential, and some scouts say he was the steal of the draft that year. If anything his value has increase from the day he was drafted. This kid is playing top pair on a good SEL team against men and to say he's worth less than a mid 1st+ don't have a clue what they're talking about.

It would be safe to say that Klefbom is untouchable right now.

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No he's not. Brodin is criminally underrated on this board, even more so than Klefblom. Really? Top 20-25 prospect? Klefblom is becoming extremely overrated on this board.

Hes ranked 21 by hockeys future soooo ignore that one?

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