This is just our luck... July 4th, 2012, quite possibly changed the Wild franchise from a joke, to very probably making the playoffs consistently, to a contender in the not so distant future.
Yet... this lockout crap is taking place. This entire state, and Wild fans all over the map are so excited to drop the puck this season to see Parise and Suter skating around. I am so depressed over the possible lockout! I want Wild hockey, yesterday, yet we might get a delayed start date!
I'll believe it when I see it. A work stoppage is bad PR for everyone involved this time. This isn't like last time where the league was in rough shape and in danger of either collapse or major contraction etc. Last time the fans sided with the owners, as the changes were desperately needed.
This time around, the differences are miniscule by comparison... and all sides lose the PR war. Fans will hate on everyone and the league will not likely return with the momentum it did last time around.
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Originally Posted by Victorious Secret
We're one of the teams that will benefit the most from a lockout. Only a casual hockey fan would see otherwise.
I cry BS! There is ZERO benefit to a lockout this time around! EVERYONE loses!
I cry BS! There is ZERO benefit to a lockout this time around! EVERYONE loses!
Financially, but performance wise to let our prospects develop in the AHL and not rush them will benefit them the most. The 2003 draft is so great because of the lockout. Sure, the Parise and Suter signings make us good for a year, but a lockout and development of our already great prospect pool makes us great for a decade.
Really? Brodin, Coyle, Bulmer, Zucker. I'd rather have them definitely in the AHL than them being put through the ringer being called up and down.
Brodin, Coyle, Bulmer and Zucker were all going to be in the AHL all but guaranteed.
Also, being called up and down is not a bad thing either. It gives management and coaching a better guage of their progress, and can help identify possible bad habits being picked up against weaker competition, thus can be coached to where they need to be better.
I know you want to try to spin it as this possible lockout helps the Wild... but that is absolutely not the case, and I will never agree with that statement.
Brodin, Coyle, Bulmer and Zucker were all going to be in the AHL all but guaranteed.
I'd say Coyle will be competing for a spot in camp along with Zucker. I'd rather have them adjust to the speed of a professional game. And with the Brodin and Granlund, I'd rather have them adjust to the NA game.
Coyle is one of the long shots IMO... he's not making the team this year... period, lockout or no.
Brodin has an ok chance, but still most likely ends up in Houston.
Granlund adjusting to the NA game... that's something that he can do in the first 10-20 games of an NHL season. Just a speedbump at MOST in his development.
As I said, you will never convince me that a lockout benefits the Wild in any way, shape or form.
Coyle is one of the long shots IMO... he's not making the team this year... period, lockout or no.
Brodin has an ok chance, but still most likely ends up in Houston.
Granlund adjusting to the NA game... that's something that he can do in the first 10-20 games of an NHL season. Just a speedbump at MOST in his development.
As I said, you will never convince me that a lockout benefits the Wild in any way, shape or form.
I'd say a lockout was one of the main reasons the Ducks won the cup in 07. I'd say it could have the same effect for us. Except longer.
Disclaimer: I'm just trying to find a bright side to the lockout, obviously I'm not a proponent to the lockout and I'd rather have an NHL season 12 times out of 10. But with our teams prospects we're going to benefit better than 27 of the other teams, on level with the Senators and the Panthers.
Remember, the last lockout was desperately needed. The Ducks won in '07 because of the salary cap balancing out the competition more so than any prospect development issues.
You and I will have to agree to disagree, because I see your argument as complete BS... sorry. Our Prospects will basically be where they would be even if there isn't a lockout for 99% of them.
So you think the 2003 draft is one of the greatest of all-time just because they were the greatest? They got to be such a great class because of the tools they were given, which happened to be another year to develop.
So you think the 2003 draft is one of the greatest of all-time just because they were the greatest? They got to be such a great class because of the tools they were given, which happened to be another year to develop.
I think you're very much overstating the impact any lockout would have on any draft class.
Besides, shouldn't the draft classes of 2002 and 2004 have benefited just as much if not more (in the case of the 2002 class)?
2003 was full of great players... and great players will be great either way. It's not like we're talking about turning a Patrick O'Sullivan into a Ryan Getzlaf here... Oh wait... O'Sullivan was part of that 2003 draft as well, and he even had MORE time in the AHL than many of those great players and he still turned out like crap.
Sorry... you're not going to sell me on the BS. Like I said... ESPECIALLY when 99% of our affected prospects were ending up in Houston ANYWAY!
In the overall picture of things a lockout, especially if it is a long one, will hurt the entire league. And that's not good for anybody. That last lockout cost the league dearly.
Some of these players would have made the jump right away. Hopefully some teams would have had the patience and let them develop further.
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Eric Staal
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 81 11 20 31 40 -6
2004-05 Lowell Lock Monsters AHL 77 26 51 77 88 37
2005-06 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 82 45 55 100 81 -8
Nathan Horton
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Florida Panthers NHL 55 14 8 22 57 -5
2004-05 San Antonio Rampage AHL 21 5 4 9 21
2005-06 Florida Panthers NHL 71 28 19 47 89 8
Thomas Vanek
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 U. of Minnesota WCHA38 26 25 51 72
2004-05 Rochester Americans AHL 74 42 26 68 62
2005-06 Buffalo Sabres NHL 81 25 23 48 72 -11
Milan Michalek
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 San Jose Sharks NHL 2 1 0 1 4 1
2003-04 Cleveland Barons AHL 7 2 2 4 4 1
2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 17 18 35 45 1
Jeff Carter
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Greyhounds OHL 57 36 30 66 26 4
2004-05 Greyhounds OHL 55 34 40 74 40 20
2005-06 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 81 23 19 42 40 10
Dustin Brown
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Los Angeles Kings NHL 31 1 4 5 16 0
2004-05 Manchester Monarchs AHL 79 29 45 74 96
2005-06 Los Angeles Kings NHL 79 14 14 28 80 -10
Zach Parise
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 U. of North Dakota WCHA37 23 32 55 24
2004-05 Albany River Rats AHL 73 18 40 58 56 -11
2005-06 New Jersey Devils NHL 81 14 18 32 28 -1
Ryan Getzlaf
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Calgary Hitmen WHL 49 28 47 75 97 32
2004-05 Calgary Hitmen WHL 51 29 25 54 102 22
2005-06 Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL 57 14 25 39 22 6
Ryan Kesler
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Manitoba Moose AHL 33 3 8 11 29 -4
2003-04 Vancouver Canucks NHL 28 2 3 5 16 -2
2004-05 Manitoba Moose AHL 78 30 28 58 105 22
2005-06 Vancouver Canucks NHL 82 10 13 23 79 1
Mike Richards
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Kitchener Rangers OHL 58 36 53 89 82 21
2004-05 Kitchener Rangers OHL 43 22 36 58 75 9
2005-06 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 79 11 23 34 65 6
Corey Perry
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 London Knights OHL 66 40 73 113 98 38
2004-05 London Knights OHL 60 47 83 130 117 66
2005-06 Anaheim Mighty Ducks NHL 56 13 12 25 50 1
2005-06 Portland Pirates AHL 19 16 18 34 32 7
Loui Eriksson
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2003-04 Vastra Frolunda HC SEL 46 8 5 13 4 0
2004-05 Vastra Frolunda HC SEL 39 5 9 14 4 0
2005-06 Iowa Stars AHL 78 31 29 60 27 20
In the overall picture of things a lockout, especially if it is a long one, will hurt the entire league. And that's not good for anybody. That last lockout cost the league dearly.
Some of these players would have made the jump right away. Hopefully some teams would have had the patience and let them develop further.
Dude... you're listing players that never played in the AHL even during the lockout (overager in the OHL is not a benefit for a top prospect IMO), and even players who did not even play during the lockout year, and players who were still in the AHL AFTER the lockout.
Sorry... you can't include those players IMO. They were where they would have been anyway in most of those cases as well.
It's the ones like Mikko Koivu who benefitted last time, going to the AHL when he was a sure bet for the Wild roster... yet Mikko was still going to be Mikko whether he spent that single season with the Aeros or not. Someone that good isn't becoming that much better because he spent an unexpected year in the AHL. You cannot convince me of that either.
As I said, agree to disagree. Believe what you will... I still say a lockout is bad for everyone... ESPECIALLY the Wild.
Yet listing players that benefited from being put in the AHL after poor NHL numbers should not be included in those stats? Whaaaaaaa? Faulty logic is faulty.
Dude... you're listing players that never played in the AHL even during the lockout (overager in the OHL is not a benefit for a top prospect IMO), and even players who did not even play during the lockout year, and players who were still in the AHL AFTER the lockout.
Sorry... you can't include those players IMO. They were where they would have been anyway in most of those cases as well.
It's the ones like Mikko Koivu who benefitted last time, going to the AHL when he was a sure bet for the Wild roster... yet Mikko was still going to be Mikko whether he spent that single season with the Aeros or not. Someone that good isn't becoming that much better because he spent an unexpected year in the AHL. You cannot convince me of that either.
As I said, agree to disagree. Believe what you will... I still say a lockout is bad for everyone... ESPECIALLY the Wild.
The exception is some of injury prone players could benefit from a shortened season. But I just want the damn puck dropped.
Anyone who says they won't be bummed by a lockout is either a liar or a troll. NCAA, AHL and the CHL will have to suffice, but it won't be the same. They better get something done.
