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08-26-2012, 05:06 AM
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Pittsburgh-Toronto

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Macarthur/Kulemin+James Reimer+2013 2nd

To Toronto

Tomas Vokoun+Eric Tangradi

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08-26-2012, 05:24 AM
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Leafs apparently had a chance at trading to get Vokoun, but rather stayed the course... Unfortunately. I don't think the GM reputation would work well with signing and trading right away either...not that is is NHL 13 or anything.

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08-26-2012, 05:37 AM
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Isn't there a rule in place where you can't trade a payer right after signing him?

I think if Burke wanted Vokoun he'd have outbid the pens. Or even underbid them and told him he'd be the starter (MAF will be the pens starter).

This would be an awful trade for the Leafs.

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08-26-2012, 06:12 AM
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Isn't there a rule in place where you can't trade a payer right after signing him?

I think if Burke wanted Vokoun he'd have outbid the pens. Or even underbid them and told him he'd be the starter (MAF will be the pens starter).

This would be an awful trade for the Leafs.
Burke didn't have a chance to bid on Vokoun because Pens traded for his rights and signed him before July 1st.

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08-26-2012, 06:13 AM
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Duh why?

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08-26-2012, 06:56 AM
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Vokoun is not getting traded to Toronto.
a) he was signed for a reason
b) he has an NTC

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08-26-2012, 07:07 AM
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Burke didn't have a chance to bid on Vokoun because Pens traded for his rights and signed him before July 1st.

It must have been 7am because I swear TSN said 2012/07/04-Vokoun signs with Pittsburgh.

I still say it isn't a good trade for the Leafs.

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08-26-2012, 07:14 AM
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It must have been 7am because I swear TSN said 2012/07/04-Vokoun signs with Pittsburgh.

I still say it isn't a good trade for the Leafs.
Pens acquire and sign Vokoun

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08-26-2012, 07:56 AM
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Yeah, don't see the Penguins trading Vokoun so soon after signing him. I can see the Leafs being interested in Fleury though.

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08-26-2012, 09:12 AM
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The Penguins got Vokoun for a reason and in case anyone didn't watch the Pens/Flyers series, Fleury really could have used a solid backup who could start if needed and that is exactly what they now have, they aren't going to trade that away for what would be a 3rd liner a backup no better right now than what they had last year and a pick, none of those pieces help them win a Cup this year so it is only extremely logical to think that the Penguins would have no interest in this.

It doesn't even matter whether the value is there or not because it would only be in a vacumn and it wouldn't be taking into account the value of raising your chances to compete for a Stanley Cup.

Any deal to a contender should take into account that the contender isn't going to consider a deal that a team would realistically offer that doesn't make them a better team right now.

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08-26-2012, 09:32 AM
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But for realzies,

Why do the Leafs do that? Can't see any circumstance where that deal doesn't get accepted by Shero. He's upgrading on the wing, upgrading a draft pick, and getting a possible long term back up goalie solution as opposed to the stop gap that is Vokoun.

I actually think Shero's reputation would GO DOWN in GM circles if he isn't accept this, Vokoun being a recent signing be damned.

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08-26-2012, 09:33 AM
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Pittsburgh will take a pass on this one.

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08-26-2012, 10:13 AM
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Wasn't it something like the Leafs didn't want to give Vokoun the 2 year deal, only wanted to give a 1? I'm guessing that since Burke didn't want to sign him to the 2 years without giving up assets will want to trade for him now giving up assets. Also Pittsburgh wouldn't sign him unless they wanted him.

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08-26-2012, 10:24 AM
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why would the leafs give that much up for vokoun and tangradi. trade doesnt make sense, plus the value is pretty terrible

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08-26-2012, 11:07 AM
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Why would the leafs do that...?

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08-26-2012, 11:11 AM
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Um no.

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08-26-2012, 11:21 AM
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Why would either team do this?

The Leafs would be overpaying for a vet while still not ready to contend.
The Pens get worse in the short term.

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08-26-2012, 11:22 AM
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Pens fan saying heck yea. Upgrading the top 6 with proven talent, get a 2nd, and a young backup goaltender. Sure we downgrade in the short term goaltender wise, but not enough to not do the Kulemin/MacArthur +2nd for Tangradi.

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08-26-2012, 11:51 AM
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Leafs would have to be high to do this.
Pens would have to be high to say no.

Vokoun was signed for a reason - yes - but you can only play one goalie at a time and Fleury is pretty good.

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08-26-2012, 12:18 PM
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I still think Toronto's in dire need of an actual starter. Burke can talk all he wants about how he believes in the magic of Reimer and Scrivens, but going into the season with those two as your goalie tandem is a recipe for disaster IMO. Vokoun would at least add some form of credibility to the Leafs goaltending situation.

Can't say much for Tangradi, but he seems like a player Burke would go after. And MacArthur seems to be in every second Leafs proposal I see on here, so I doubt they'll miss him.

Or the 7 goals Kulemin scored last year.

Pens could sweeten the deal a bit, but it's not a bad offer.

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08-26-2012, 12:28 PM
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Vokoun is not getting traded to Toronto.
a) he was signed for a reason
b) he has an NTC
The bolded, more so from the Pens' perspective. There's a reason they signed him. They're not suddenly going to abandon that plan (a mere two months later, no less) to acquire a goalie with a whole lot of question marks to replace him.

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08-26-2012, 12:40 PM
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The bolded, more so from the Pens' perspective. There's a reason they signed him. They're not suddenly going to abandon that plan (a mere two months later, no less) to acquire a goalie with a whole lot of question marks to replace him.
Yes, that was what I was getting at. Pittsburgh signed him for a reason and is not going to trade him in for Reimers before he ever played a game. I added the second more in lieu of "he signed with Pens for a reason, too". Vokoun is where he wants to be and he got an NTC to stay in control, had he wanted a starter job more, he would not have signed in PIT. People are acting as if he only signed in PIT so that Malkin can be reunited with his 7 goalscorer BFF, newsflash: he didn't.

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08-26-2012, 12:47 PM
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Pittsburgh will take a pass on this one.
Why is that?

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08-26-2012, 01:33 PM
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Why is that?
Because Vokoun (when healthy) is significantly better than Reimer and the Penguins drastically need a competent backup goalie. Case in point the Flyers/Pens series last year.

Kulemin as a return doesn't even justify this for the Pens.

On a side note, the Penguins have had at least one Czech player on their roster for 20-something years now. With the departure of Zbynek Michalek, you can all but guarantee that Vokoun won't be traded as he's the last Czech left .

Furthermore, Vokoun has a NTC and has been quoted as saying he wanted to play for a contender. Sorry Leafs fans.

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Leafs get robbed, and Vokoun has a NTC like another poster stated.

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