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08-27-2012, 12:31 AM
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I'd take Bolland over Callahan any day of the week. He's pretty underrated.
You're completely out to lunch on this. Sorry. There's really no other way to put it.

Callahan consistently is healthier and more productive than Bolland. Bolland has one season of 40+ points, and no 20 goal seasons. Callahan has 3 of each. I don't care about his "Corsi" or any of that crap. Callahan is in arguably the better player. Bolland is one of those players that is given WAY more credit than he deserves on this board.

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I'd take Bolland over Callahan any day of the week. He's pretty underrated.
Oh man, I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. Callahan is the better player imo

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You're completely out to lunch on this. Sorry. There's really no other way to put it.
Completely disagree. Callahan is a good player, but I think Dave Bolland is better, more proven and has the pedigree of performing in the playoffs every year.

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Callahan consistently is healthier and more productive than Bolland. Bolland has one season of 40+ points, and no 20 goal seasons. Callahan has 3 of each. I don't care about his "Corsi" or any of that crap. Callahan is in arguably the better player. Bolland is one of those players that is given WAY more credit than he deserves on this board.
He is given a lot of credit because he is a top tier shutdown center. You really can't argue with his pedigree. Much higher playoff PPG and was put in a role to shut down the Sedin twins for 3 yrs and Thornton/Richards in the playoffs.

You're just simply posting points. That doesn't tell the whole story. Bolland is pretty much the epitome shutdown center. He literally starts the majority of his shifts in his own end, unlike Callahan and puts up an astonishing zone percent finish. This is pretty much why Bolland's offensive production isn't as high, it's because he's constantly pressured to play defensive sound hockey on a generally mediocre defensive team. When you factor in that one plays the center position and the other plays the wing, that just sways me towards to natural center altogether. So yes, call me a 'hater' for picking the more complete, more talented and more proven player.

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I'm not calling you a hater, I'm calling you someone who is wrong.

Bolland is a defensive center. His lack of offensive production is because he isn't very good offensively. I don't really care about his zone starts and all that ********, I'm more focused on what I actually see, and what I see is that Callahan is clearly the better player.

I'm not going to argue because it's stupid and your agenda has become quite apparent.

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I'm not calling you a hater, I'm calling you someone who is wrong.

Bolland is a defensive center. His lack of offensive production is because he isn't very good offensively. I don't really care about his zone starts and all that ********, I'm more focused on what I actually see, and what I see is that Callahan is clearly the better player.

I'm not going to argue because it's stupid and your agenda has become quite apparent.
One's eyes can be flawed/biased when evaluating players. Statistical evidence is unbiased. Bolland is a good offensive player who really has molded his game into one of the best checking centers in the league. This is a player who put up 130 pts in Jr. as well, so he is a pretty skilled player on his own.

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Stats have no variables.

They're just as flawed.

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Stats have no variables.

They're just as flawed.
But they aren't biased.

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I'd take Bolland over Callahan any day of the week. He's pretty underrated.
So you'd take regular old Bolland over another Bolland that scores a hell of alot more? That makes sense.

What you and Chicago fans are not understanding is that if Dave Bolland scored 29 goals, he'd be Ryan Callahan.

You say stats are unbiased. Ok Ryan Callahan scored 29 goals in 76 games last year. Dave Bolland scored 34 in his last 137. 5 more goals in twice the games.

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So you'd take regular old Bolland over another Bolland that scores a hell of alot more? That makes sense.

What you and Chicago fans are not understanding is that if Dave Bolland scored 29 goals, he'd be Ryan Callahan.
Hmm to put it that way, I guess Hartnell is much better than Callahan.

If Callahan ever scores 37 goals, he'd be Scott Hartnell.

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Hmm to put it that way, I guess Hartnell is much better than Callahan.
Hartnell and Callahan aren't really similar players. Bolland and Callahan are similar players except Callahan scores twice as much.

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Hartnell and Callahan aren't really similar players. Bolland and Callahan are similar players except Callahan scores twice as much.
I don't see how they're similar players. Boyle is more comparable to Bolland than Callahan. The Callahan comparison is just.... random.

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I don't see how they're similar players. Boyle is more comparable to Bolland than Callahan. The Callahan comparison is just.... random.
That's like saying the Sedins aren't similar players. Literally the only difference is the goals column.

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That's like saying the Sedins aren't similar players. Literally the only difference is the goals column.
But the Sedins aren't similar players?

Anyways, not sure how you're comparing a checking winger that gets good offensive minutes to a pure, shutdown defender.

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But the Sedins aren't similar players?

Anyways, not sure how you're comparing a checking winger that gets good offensive minutes to a pure, shutdown defender.
Aw c'mon those creepy ****ers switch jerseys all the time and you know it!

But seriously, it was a play on them being twins.

As for the pure "shutdown defender" that you claim Bolland to be, let's look at the Selke voting.

1. Patrice Bergeron, BOS 1,312 (106-30-6-4-0)

2. David Backes, STL 698 (24-46-15-17-10)

3. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 553 (8-30-38-21-10)

4. Ryan Callahan, NYR 326 (6-11-22-22-13)

5. Ryan Kesler, VAN 152 (1-3-14-13-12)

6. Jonathan Toews, CHI 117 (1-2-8-13-14)

7. Mike Fisher, NSH 72 (0-3-6-6-3)

8. Jordan Staal, PIT 67 (0-1-6-7-9)

9. Anze Kopitar, L.A. 62 (0-3-4-4-9)

10. Patrick Sharp, CHI 52 (0-2-5-4-1)

11. Joe Pavelski, S.J. 44 (0-3-0-5-8)

12. Ray Whitney, PHX 36 (0-4-1-1-0)

13. Pascal Dupuis, PIT 28 (1-0-2-2-2)

14. Ryan O’Reilly, COL 27 (0-1-1-3-6)

15. Tomas Plekanec, MTL 25 (0-1-3-1-0)

16. Chris Kelly, BOS 23 (0-1-1-3-2)

17. Marian Hossa, CHI 23 (0-0-2-2-7)

18. Zach Parise, N.J. 18 (0-1-1-2-0)

19. Patrik Elias, N.J. 15 (0-0-0-5-0)

20. Maxime Talbot, PHI 13 (1-0-0-1-0)

21. Brandon Sutter, CAR 13 (0-1-1-0-1)

22. Frans Nielsen, NYI 13 (0-0-1-2-2)

23. Martin Hanzal, PHX 12 (0-1-1-0-0)

24. Loui Eriksson, DAL 12 (0-0-2-0-2)

25. Brian Boyle, NYR 11 (0-1-0-1-1)

Claude Giroux, PHI 11 (0-1-0-1-1)

27. Alex Burrows, VAN 11 (0-0-1-1-3)

28. Mike Richards, L.A. 11 (0-0-0-2-5)

29. Boyd Gordon, PHX 10 (0-0-1-1-2)

30. Henrik Sedin, VAN 9 (0-1-0-0-2)

31. Joe Thornton, S.J. 8 (0-0-1-0-3)

32. Jay McClement, COL 7 (0-1-0-0-0)

33. Alex Steen, STL 7 (0-0-1-0-2)

Henrik Zetterberg, DET 7 (0-0-1-0-2)

35. Lauri Korpikoski, PHX 6 (0-0-1-0-1)

Brad Marchand, BOS 6 (0-0-1-0-1)

37. Daniel Alfredsson, OTT 6 (0-0-0-2-0)

38. John Tavares, NYI 5 (0-0-1-0-0)

39. Dave Bolland, CHI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

Jarret Stoll, L.A. 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

41. Sean Couturier, PHI 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

Tyler Seguin, BOS 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

43. Dustin Brown, L.A. 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Brandon Dubinsky, NYR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Martin Erat, NSH 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Carl Hagelin, NYR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Scott Hartnell, PHI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Jarome Iginla, CGY 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Gabriel Landeskog, COL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Manny Malhotra, VAN 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

T.J. Oshie, STL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Eric Staal, CAR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Wow.....that's embarrassing. Tied for 39th.

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Yup, pretty embarassing. Can't believe Landeskog is that low and Pascal Dupuis actually received a 1st place vote. Flawed voting system. Doesn't mean much to me, but that's just me.

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Yes surely a gap of 35 happened due to a flawed voting system.

But this argument is pointless. Ryan Callahan could score 80 goals, win the Cup, win the Hart, the Selke, the Rocket, the Art Ross, and the ****in Vezina too, get signed by the Chicago Cubs and lead them to their first title in 105 years, write a best seller, build a hospital for children with only a hammer, earn a PhD in nuclear physics, cure cancer, cure AIDS, end world hunger, achieve world peace, discover life on other planets, unlock all the secrets to the universe, and see the face of God and post a picture on the internet thus ending thosands of years of holy wars, and make a tasty grilled cheese sammich in under 5 minutes, and you would still think he's a 3rd liner.

You just don't like him. You never will. I don't understand it, but you have every right.

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Yes surely a gap of 35 happened due to a flawed voting system.

But this argument is pointless. Ryan Callahan could score 80 goals, win the Cup, win the Hart, the Selke, the Rocket, the Art Ross, and the ****in Vezina too, get signed by the Chicago Cubs and lead them to their first title in 105 years, write a best seller, build a hospital for children with only a hammer, earn a PhD in nuclear physics, cure cancer, cure AIDS, end world hunger, achieve world peace, discover life on other planets, unlock all the secrets to the universe, and see the face of God and post a picture on the internet thus ending thosands of years of holy wars, and make a tasty grilled cheese sammich in under 5 minutes, and you would still think he's a 3rd liner.

You just don't like him. You never will. I don't understand it, but you have every right.


P.S Is it really that difficult to make a tasty grilled cheese sammich in under 5 minutes?

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P.S Is it really that difficult to make a tasty grilled cheese sammich in under 5 minutes?
I thought I'd just throw that one in to show off the captain's incredible versatility.

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I decided to test it out and it took me 5 minutes and 48 seconds to make my grilled cheese sandwich. I substituted and used a goat cheese Mozzarella and I even added Jalapenos. Everything from taking the pan out and taking the bread out of the packaging took 5 minutes and 48 second. If I practiced and got rid of the shakiness and excluded the jalapenos and turned up the heat, a tasty grilled cheese sammich can be achieved in under 5 minutes.

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Yes surely a gap of 35 happened due to a flawed voting system.

But this argument is pointless. Ryan Callahan could score 80 goals, win the Cup, win the Hart, the Selke, the Rocket, the Art Ross, and the ****in Vezina too, get signed by the Chicago Cubs and lead them to their first title in 105 years, write a best seller, build a hospital for children with only a hammer, earn a PhD in nuclear physics, cure cancer, cure AIDS, end world hunger, achieve world peace, discover life on other planets, unlock all the secrets to the universe, and see the face of God and post a picture on the internet thus ending thosands of years of holy wars, and make a tasty grilled cheese sammich in under 5 minutes, and you would still think he's a 3rd liner.

You just don't like him. You never will. I don't understand it, but you have every right.
He also would go toe-to-toe with chuck norris and live to tell about it.

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I decided to test it out and it took me 5 minutes and 48 seconds to make my grilled cheese sandwich. I substituted and used a goat cheese Mozzarella and I even added Jalapenos. Everything from taking the pan out and taking the bread out of the packaging took 5 minutes and 48 second. If I practiced and got rid of the shakiness and excluded the jalapenos and turned up the heat, a tasty grilled cheese sammich can be achieved in under 5 minutes.
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He also would go toe-to-toe with chuck norris and live to tell about it.

Callahan taught Chuck Norris how to fight.

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Yes surely a gap of 35 happened due to a flawed voting system.

But this argument is pointless. Ryan Callahan could score 80 goals, win the Cup, win the Hart, the Selke, the Rocket, the Art Ross, and the ****in Vezina too, get signed by the Chicago Cubs and lead them to their first title in 105 years, write a best seller, build a hospital for children with only a hammer, earn a PhD in nuclear physics, cure cancer, cure AIDS, end world hunger, achieve world peace, discover life on other planets, unlock all the secrets to the universe, and see the face of God and post a picture on the internet thus ending thosands of years of holy wars, and make a tasty grilled cheese sammich in under 5 minutes, and you would still think he's a 3rd liner.

You just don't like him. You never will. I don't understand it, but you have every right.
...He'd still be no Datsyuk.

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Yes surely a gap of 35 happened due to a flawed voting system.

But this argument is pointless. Ryan Callahan could score 80 goals, win the Cup, win the Hart, the Selke, the Rocket, the Art Ross, and the ****in Vezina too, get signed by the Chicago Cubs and lead them to their first title in 105 years, write a best seller, build a hospital for children with only a hammer, earn a PhD in nuclear physics, cure cancer, cure AIDS, end world hunger, achieve world peace, discover life on other planets, unlock all the secrets to the universe, and see the face of God and post a picture on the internet thus ending thosands of years of holy wars, and make a tasty grilled cheese sammich in under 5 minutes, and you would still think he's a 3rd liner.

You just don't like him. You never will. I don't understand it, but you have every right.
Wow, if he accomplishes any of those things, I'd petition for his statute built in front of MSG.

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