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08-25-2012, 06:57 AM
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Don't forget McCabe and a 4th for MVR, Holleweg and Mayers for picks he acquired at the dealine. He also signed Nik Hagman.
Hagman was a good acquisition. And Fletcher did make the Grabovski trade, but yeah, other than that his record was pretty brutal.

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08-25-2012, 09:40 AM
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Carlo averages about 65 games a year as he played 63, 67, 65 & 64 games in the past 4 seasons for St. Louis after being traded.
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ok. well i'll add that he played 21, 48, and 28 games for toronto before being traded.

in the course of 1 season:

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2/22/2012 Missed 3 games (sprained right wrist).
2/16/2012 Sprained right wrist, day-to-day.
12/06/2011 Missed 8 games (lower body injury).
11/22/2011 Lower body injury, injured reserve.
11/19/2011 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
10/21/2011 Missed 5 games (upper body injury).
10/11/2011 Upper body injury, injured reserve.
10/10/2011 Head injury, day-to-day.
i like carlo, but you can't acquire him and not have his injury history in mind. it's unfair, but that's his report card:

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ASSETS: Plays a sound positional game and rarely gets beaten one-on-one because of his good skating ability. Has plenty of offensive know-how and puck-moving skills. Can also be an asset on the power play.
FLAWS: Has had a hard time avoiding the injury bug at the NHL level. Can make mistakes in his own end, and lacks the durability to play a consistently physical game.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Solid all-around defenseman, when healthy.

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08-25-2012, 09:59 AM
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He was a good player. Not a great one.
He kicked it into another level when he had the stach going

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08-25-2012, 10:12 AM
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White wasn't any different in detroit than he was anywhere else.

08/09 (24): 71gms, 10gls, 26pts, 110ht, 114bk, 6.2CorRel, 0.411RelQoC, 22:51 (82gms, 12gls, 30pts, 127ht, 132bk) - TOR
09/10 (25): 83gms, 13gls, 38pts, 54ht, 137blk, 4.8CorRel, 0.884RelQoC, 22:47 (82gms, 13gls, 38pts, 53ht, 136blk) - TOR/CAL
10/11 (26): 78gms, 4gls, 26pts, 59ht, 144blk, 0.4CorRel, -0.086RelQoC, 20:00 (82gms, 4gls, 27pts, 62ht, 151blk) - CAL/CAR/SJS
11/12 (27): 77gms, 7gls, 32pts, 49ht, 93blk, 5.7CorRel, 0.944RelQoC, 22:59 (82gms, 8gls, 34pts, 52ht, 99blk) - DET

Little bit of a down year in 10/11, probably mostly due to switching between three teams, but otherwise White is what he is - a quality #2/#3 two-way defenseman. Even in his "down year" in 10/11 he played like a solid top-4 defenseman.
Thanks for an insightful and real post. Posts which just perpetuate the myth that players are only as good as those around them, are a waste of internet space.

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08-25-2012, 11:17 AM
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Thanks for an insightful and real post. Posts which just perpetuate the myth that players are only as good as those around them, are a waste of internet space.
I don't see +/- stats in that wealth of research....interesting.

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08-25-2012, 11:28 AM
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I don't see +/- stats in that wealth of research....interesting.
Why dont you look it up...Here Ill google that for you.

White has been a minus player twice in his career.

-10 in 16 games for Calgary (by far his worst showing) in 10/11
-9 in 81 games TML in 07/08

Every other year of his professional career including AHL he was a plus player.

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Why dont you look it up...Here Ill google that for you.

White has been a minus player twice in his career.

-10 in 16 games for Calgary (by far his worst showing) in 10/11
-9 in 81 games TML in 07/08

Every other year of his professional career including AHL he was a plus player.
Lidstrom has been a minus once. That doesn't help your argument.

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08-25-2012, 12:57 PM
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Lidstrom has been a minus once. That doesn't help your argument.
Not sure how Lidstrom being a minus once has anything to do with how good a player Ian White is. Read through the thread and realize I am in fact defending White as being a good player regardless of where he played. His numbers show it. He has played for lousy teams and put up respectable numbers with the couple of bad +/- years and he has played for good teams and put up good numbers.

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08-25-2012, 05:29 PM
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the only lidstrom replacement in the league is Gunnarsson (even if he is 25% of Lid). they should give us our much needed 1C for him.

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08-25-2012, 10:45 PM
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[url]We always hear how terrible Toronto players/prospects are yet the mighty Red Wings have recently flirted with Colaiacovo, Ian White, Jonas Gustavsson.....
People are just unrealistic and somehow expect our secondary talent players to be more than what they really are.

The problem with Toronto for a long time has been our elite talent (top 5-7 impact players on the team) simply doesn't stack up against top teams.

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08-25-2012, 10:49 PM
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such a long time since i remembered white

but he has always been a great d man

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08-26-2012, 01:28 AM
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I don't see +/- stats in that wealth of research....interesting.
+/- is pretty much a team stat, not a player stat.

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Not sure how Lidstrom being a minus once has anything to do with how good a player Ian White is. Read through the thread and realize I am in fact defending White as being a good player regardless of where he played. His numbers show it. He has played for lousy teams and put up respectable numbers with the couple of bad +/- years and he has played for good teams and put up good numbers.
He went to a winning team and played with the best defenseman of this era. Another thing, +/- as previously stated is a team stat. You cannot solely blame one player for a + or a - while on the ice with 4 other players.

But on the defense of Ian White, do you REALLY think he's a top pairing defenseman? Really?

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08-26-2012, 03:10 AM
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the only lidstrom replacement in the league is Gunnarsson (even if he is 25% of Lid). they should give us our much needed 1C for him.
Gunnar is Lidstrom? Maybe Datsyuk for Gunnar then, gives Wings 15 more years of Lids 2.0

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08-26-2012, 09:01 AM
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People are just unrealistic and somehow expect our secondary talent players to be more than what they really are.

The problem with Toronto for a long time has been our elite talent (top 5-7 impact players on the team) simply doesn't stack up against top teams.
Oh I agree. We are seeing the same with Kadri where much of our base holds him to unrealistic standards. Contrary to what many would portray, we've had lots of very serviceable players but usually do one or both of two things:

Don't allow proper time for development

Don't put players in positions to succeed

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08-26-2012, 11:58 AM
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He went to a winning team and played with the best defenseman of this era. Another thing, +/- as previously stated is a team stat. You cannot solely blame one player for a + or a - while on the ice with 4 other players.

But on the defense of Ian White, do you REALLY think he's a top pairing defenseman? Really?
Never said that anywhere. No...I dont. But I dont think Dion Phaneuf is either. Just because you aren't "top pairing" it doesn't mean that you aren't good NHL defenceman. Which is what Ian White is. Which is what I have said. People want to discredit him because he played with Lidstrom. So what? He did that for one season and he has been an NHLer for about 7 seasons.

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08-26-2012, 01:32 PM
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Gunnar is Lidstrom? Maybe Datsyuk for Gunnar then, gives Wings 15 more years of Lids 2.0
no. i'm not serious. if Gunner were a potential Lidstrom i wouldn't trade him at all.


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I'm sure most people have heard this by now, but Carlo wanted to sign this contract right away. He sprained his wrist when he pressed the pen down though, so he won't be able to finish his last name for 7-10 days.

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I'm sure most people have heard this by now, but Carlo wanted to sign this contract right away. He sprained his wrist when he pressed the pen down though, so he won't be able to finish his last name for 7-10 days.
Ha, he could never really get any solid playing time with the leafs. Every time he got his game going he would be out for just as long.

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08-26-2012, 08:51 PM
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I really like Carlo, in the games he played. I don't remember when it was, but I remember him returning from injury and thinking he'd need some time to get back and he was awesome right away. It's too bad he was wasted away like he was.

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Proof positive that all of last year's playoff teams have not improved this summer... someone should tell Kenny Holland that Brendan Bell and Andy Wozniewski are still available too.


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