The PITTSBURGH PENGUINS trade:
[91-C] Evgeni Malkin
[87-G] Tomas Vokoun
[84-R] James Neal
5th 2013 Pittsburgh
... to the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS for:
[88-D] Dion Phaneuf
[86-R] Phil Kessel
[82-C] Mikhail Grabovski
D Jesse Blacker
1st 2014 Toronto
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With this trade Pittsburgh now has 4 1st round picks in the next 2 years, aswell as great prospects in the system such as Maatta and Rielly, plus still being contenders for the cup for the foreseeable future, the future definatly looks bright in Pittsburgh
Not to be a poor sport, but this is a pretty ******** trade.
How so? It's elite talent for elite talent. You have to consider how EA has rated them and not what players are like in real life.
Malkin is tied for fourth-best forward and Phaneuf is tied for fifth-best defenceman. Pittsburgh was deep on F and I was deep on D. The upgrade to Kessel is the added incentive to Grabovski, 1st and Blacker. Then when you consider that Vokoun is 36 and will be 80-82 OVR after two seasons, it's fair all around.
How so? It's elite talent for elite talent. You have to consider how EA has rated them and not what players are like in real life.
Malkin is tied for fourth-best forward and Phaneuf is tied for fifth-best defenceman. Pittsburgh was deep on F and I was deep on D. The upgrade to Kessel is the added incentive to Grabovski, 1st and Blacker. Then when you consider that Vokoun is 36 and will be 80-82 OVR after two seasons, it's fair all around.
[91-C] Evgeni Malkin >> [88-D] Dion Phaneuf
[87-G] Tomas Vokoun < [86-R] Phil Kessel
[84-R] James Neal >> [82-C] Mikhail Grabovski
5th 2013 Pittsburgh < D Jesse Blacker (not really a difference maker, since hes a 2nd tier prospect)
1st 2014 Toronto (gonna be mid to late)
This deal is so one sided it isn't even funny. I'd like to see any other GM in this league agree this is fair.
[91-C] Evgeni Malkin >> [88-D] Dion Phaneuf
[87-G] Tomas Vokoun < [86-R] Phil Kessel
[84-R] James Neal >> [82-C] Mikhail Grabovski
5th 2013 Pittsburgh < D Jesse Blacker (not really a difference maker, since hes a 2nd tier prospect)
This deal is so one sided it isn't even funny. I'd like to see any other GM in this league agree this is fair.
You're comparing it extremely poorly. Why would you match up Vokoun with Kessel and ignore the 1st?
[91-C] Evgeni Malkin > [88-D] Dion Phaneuf
[84-R] James Neal < [86-R] Phil Kessel
[87-G] Tomas Vokoun < [82-C] Mikhail Grabovski & 1st 2014 Toronto
5th 2013 Pittsburgh < D Jesse Blacker
You're letting your opinion of the players in real life cloud their actual ratings in the game. Obviously the gap between Malkin and Phaneuf is big in real life, but they're much closer in the game. But regardless of whether you think it's fair or not, it's been agreed to by both teams and is confirmed.
In the case that two players are suspected of abusing trades in this manner, a league wide vote will be called regarding whether the trade should be allowed to go through and the possibility of the two GMs being kicked from the league will be brought up
Id say we evoke this privilege of our league
so really the trade looks like this
To Pittsburgh
Phaneuf
Kessel
Grabovski
Lupul
Reilly
Blacker
2 Toronto 1sts
Toronto 2nd
To Toronto
Malkin
Letang
Neal
Vokoun
Pitts 5th
Why didn't you guys just agree to swap teams in the GM mode?
value is fair EA Sports wise on the PITT/TOR deal, you guys going nuts are basing it off real life.
The whole reason i won't make trades is because all i do is play NHL and the game value of players is so different then real life lol. a 91 OV Malkin is not significantly better then a 88 overall Phaneuf in the game, even though in real life it's not even close.
Obviously though, Pittsburgh lost the trade still. I guess it all depends on the skill of the GM game-playing wise though on if a team is good or not. You can have garbage players and be the best team in the league if you're good @ the game lol.
- For some reason i think some of you guys are getting a bit too "fantasy" in it with player names, stacked team with big names does not = best team
For the record i definitely wouldnt give up a Malkin for a defenceman..... Forwards are way too valuable in NHL games, you do everything with them, all you need on defence is OFD's with good skating
value is fair EA Sports wise on the PITT/TOR deal, you guys going nuts are basing it off real life.
The whole reason i won't make trades is because all i do is play NHL and the game value of players is so different then real life lol. a 91 OV Malkin is not significantly better then a 88 overall Phaneuf in the game, even though in real life it's not even close.
Obviously though, Pittsburgh lost the trade still. I guess it all depends on the skill of the GM game-playing wise though on if a team is good or not. You can have garbage players and be the best team in the league if you're good @ the game lol.
- For some reason i think some of you guys are getting a bit too "fantasy" in it with player names, stacked team with big names does not = best team
For the record i definitely wouldnt give up a Malkin for a defenceman..... Forwards are way too valuable in NHL games, you do everything with them, all you need on defence is OFD's with good skating
I don't think there's a clear loser for the trade unless you're looking only at who got the best player. Everyone just sees Phaneuf for Malkin and ignores the rest of it. Neal to Kessel is a big upgrade. In real life, you would say Neal is a better player overall than Kessel without question, but they're rated the opposite. When you consider the fact that Neal will have much higher attributes in defensive, checking, strength areas (or basically, everything outside of offense and speed) than Kessel, it means that Kessel's offensive attributes (the most important bunch) must be significantly higher than Neal's for Kessel to still be two points higher in overall. In all likelihood, he still has the 93 rating that EA gave him in NHL 12 for every shooting category. Kessel's offensive stats will be among the highest in the game and that's what people are ignoring along with Pittsburgh moving a redundant player on their roster (Vokoun) for Grabovski and a 1st.
Last edited by Avec Fromage: 08-28-2012 at 01:58 AM.
I'm happy withmytrade
Got a number 1 d, a good second line c, a great sniper for Crosby, a good D prospect, and now 4 first round picks in the next 2 years, in happy with the trade, vokoun means nothing to me vessel is an upgrade and in a fan of how grabs plays and think his attributes will reflect that
I'm happy withmytrade
Got a number 1 d (1), a good second line c(2), a great sniper for Crosby(3), a good D prospect (4), and now 4 first round picks in the next 2 years(5), in happy with the trade, vokoun means nothing (6) to me vessel is an upgrade and in a fan of how grabs plays and think his attributes will reflect that
(1) You already had one in Letang, before you traded him.
(2) Malkin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Grabovski
(3) You had one. His name was James Neal.
(4) Blacker is a 2nd tier prospect, who wont ever crack your roster now that you have Rielly, Maata, Despres, Harington, Morrow, etc.
(5) Obviously a nice +, but you downgraded a playoff contender to do it.
(6) Hence why you traded him for NOTHING.
(1) You already had one in Letang, before you traded him.
(2) Malkin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Grabovski
(3) You had one. His name was James Neal.
(4) Blacker is a 2nd tier prospect, who wont ever crack your roster now that you have Rielly, Maata, Despres, Harington, Morrow, etc.
(5) Obviously a nice +, but you downgraded a playoff contender to do it.
(6) Hence why you traded him for NOTHING.
Why am I not surprised that you're from Toronto.
How about we keep it civil and not harass the other GMs? You can talk about how much you dislike the deal, but that last line is completely irrelevant, off topic and uncalled for. That kind of crap will not be tolerated.
Malkin was available? unrealistic I'd say
