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08-27-2012, 02:55 PM
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for MHL, have 2 (donbass, berkut) and call it a day. Who would ice a team in MHL-B?
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08-28-2012, 08:12 AM
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I mean, like I said, look at HC Donbass-2's roster. It's half Russian. If they want to do junior teams, why not play in the MHL? It's better for their development anyway.



No need to junior a/b the PHL junior circuit, not enough players left over from the ones in the MHL farm in this instance. If they're not good enough to PHL-Jr, and not going pro, they can play night hockey league / WUAHL / beer league, their career's over anyway.

for MHL, have 2 (donbass, berkut) and call it a day. Who would ice a team in MHL-B?
The reason I suggested a lower-tier circuit of Junior A and Junior B teams is to create depth and competitive hockey for players who either aren't quite good enough for MHL/MHL-B or any of the above leagues. This would allow for players who are 18, 19, 20 years old to keep playing competitive hockey and would allow the premier younger 15, 16, 17 year olds to play at a higher level and prepare them for higher levels of junior/pro hockey. Having a good depth system would help Ukraine to retain their premier players from a young age as it would give them a good place to develop at home, rather than having to move to Russia to play.

As CSKA suggested, put Donbass and Berkut into the MHL, Kharkov into the MHL-B, retain all the current teams in the PHL and use the lower Junior leagues as direct feeders to the PHL teams in their cities.

It's pretty pathetic that Ukraine doesn't have a single MHL or MHL-B team, when Hungary, Romania and Lithuania all have teams. This is something that will need to change to help the development of Ukrainian hockey. The MHL would be a much better place for youngsters like Zakharov, Martyshko and all the 92's, 93's and 94's playing in the PHL to develop and play against talent their own age. Playing in the PHL could really hurt their development offensively and in the long run.


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It's pretty pathetic that Ukraine doesn't have a single MHL or MHL-B team, when Hungary, Romania and Lithuania all have teams. This is something that will need to change to help the development of Ukrainian hockey. The MHL would be a much better place for youngsters like Zakharov, Martyshko and all the 92's, 93's and 94's playing in the PHL to develop and play against talent their own age. Playing in the PHL could really hurt their development offensively and in the long run.
It is not important, maybe just a typo. Not Romania but Moldova.

IMO, Donbass will join MHL or MHL B in season 13/14

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It is not important, maybe just a typo. Not Romania but Moldova.

IMO, Donbass will join MHL or MHL B in season 13/14
Wow, I had heard Romania, which made some sense. I didn't even know Moldova had a hockey program. I guess that makes it even worse that Ukraine doesn't have a team

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The reason I suggested a lower-tier circuit of Junior A and Junior B teams is to create depth and competitive hockey for players who either aren't quite good enough for MHL/MHL-B or any of the above leagues. This would allow for players who are 18, 19, 20 years old to keep playing competitive hockey and would allow the premier younger 15, 16, 17 year olds to play at a higher level and prepare them for higher levels of junior/pro hockey. Having a good depth system would help Ukraine to retain their premier players from a young age as it would give them a good place to develop at home, rather than having to move to Russia to play.
That's all well, but the depth needs to exist in the first place to justify it. Give it a few years, let hockey grow, when the players are there split the tiers accordingly.

Ukraine needs a lot more clubs/schools with the ambition of Donbass towards youth hockey.

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That's all well, but the depth needs to exist in the first place to justify it. Give it a few years, let hockey grow, when the players are there split the tiers accordingly.

Ukraine needs a lot more clubs/schools with the ambition of Donbass towards youth hockey.
Agreed.

This wouldn't be able to be implemented for another 10 years or so. Enrollment needs to rise and as you said more teams need to create better youth programs. However, this could eventually be the reality and a good development system in line with a country like Germany's.

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It is not important, maybe just a typo. Not Romania but Moldova.

IMO, Donbass will join MHL or MHL B in season 13/14
Moldova has an MHL club? I knew there was a youth team playing in the Romanian youth leagues, did it move to the MHL?

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08-29-2012, 09:51 PM
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Haydamaky wont be playing in the upcoming season due to finances

White Leopards will play this year, came up with the finances last minute, and will move to Bila Tserkva next year - where a new arena is being built by Hockey Ukraine

League plans on coming up with a new logo before the start of the season

36 game regular season among the 7 teams, top 6 make the playoffs

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In the playoffs six teams will be divided into two groups of three teams (group 1: the first, fourth and fifth team in the championship, and in group 2 - the second, third and sixth), playing in the group stage of the playoffs yet two games against rivals in the group. In the semi-finals come two best clubs from each group. Semi-finals and finals of the playoffs will be to win one of four teams. Innovation will be a series for third place, which will go to the two victories.

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K, it's official, White Leopards moving to White Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bila_Tserkva

new team owner is from there and wants to build/grow hockey there (awesome!)

they will start the season in the ATEK Terminal, and move there on October 28 when the arena is ready

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K, it's official, White Leopards moving to White Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bila_Tserkva

new team owner is from there and wants to build/grow hockey there (awesome!)

they will start the season in the ATEK Terminal, and move there on October 28 when the arena is ready
I have a buddy from Byla Cerkva

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K, it's official, White Leopards moving to White Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bila_Tserkva

new team owner is from there and wants to build/grow hockey there (awesome!)

they will start the season in the ATEK Terminal, and move there on October 28 when the arena is ready
Any idea who the owner is?

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http://isport.ua/hockey/ukraine/news/215671.html

- They want the arena done so a PHL team can be in Sevastopol next year; they have a preliminary agreement
- Also trying to expand to Luhansk and Kryvyi Rih (new arenas are being made)
- Talks with Dnipropetrovsk to get a team
- Notable mention, Kherson and Kalush (lolwtf)
- Wanted to create the youth league for this year, but not all teams are ready to create junior teams (at the moment, Kalush, Lviv, Kharkiv are ready; Sokil Kyiv's jr program wouldn't be hard to put a team together; Berkut/Kompanion could but the lack of ice in Kiev is the problem)
- There's been some talks to create a Slavic Championship / League between UKR, BLR, and other national leagues in the region
- They'll be working with Pointstreak to publish game stats!!

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It's only a matter of time before Berkut Kiev tries to join the KHL. I was just looking at their roster and they're going to destroy most of the competition in the PHL this year. Their team is VHL, if not lower-end KHL calibur right now. They've signed away almost all of the best Ukrainian players outside of the KHL/Donbass as well, with guys like Klimentyev, Andrei Mikhnov, Ramazanov, Pobedonostsev, Gongalsky and some younger talent for them to develop.

I'll be shocked if they're not in the KHL by 13/14.

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It's only a matter of time before Berkut Kiev tries to join the KHL. I was just looking at their roster and they're going to destroy most of the competition in the PHL this year. Their team is VHL, if not lower-end KHL calibur right now. They've signed away almost all of the best Ukrainian players outside of the KHL/Donbass as well, with guys like Klimentyev, Andrei Mikhnov, Ramazanov, Pobedonostsev, Gongalsky and some younger talent for them to develop.

I'll be shocked if they're not in the KHL by 13/14.
Yeah but before they can join KHL,they need to get their infrastracture straight (Arenas,tv broadcasrs,etc)

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Unless they can get past the red tape and start a massive renewal project on the old stadium in Kyiv, this may be an issue

also, we'll have to see how the owner fares in the upcoming elections.

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Yeah, Berkut has it all but the the arena. Willing people - check, marketing - check, actual market (Kiev) - check.

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Does anyone have a link to who won the awards in the league last season? mvp, best d, etc.?

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new official PHL logo



they're going backwards...


though it doesnt look terribly bad in solid white

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Meanwhile in PHL Sokol wins for four consecutive games and goes to the second place in the league. In the first place Berkut, unconditional favorite number one this season.

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Berkut lost the first match in the PHL. Earlier, the match with a Companion was stopped to heavy fog over the ice. Video match here http://isport.ua/hockey/ukraine/news/218745.html

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Donbass won Riga 4:2. Dadonow played great.

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