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08-28-2012, 03:17 PM
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I don't like it, we have enough defense prospects. Urbom would be in the range of Blacker, who's our third or so best d prospect. He'd have to be in the AHL, and next year I think Blacker will make the jump, along with possibly Rielly so he'll be battling for a spot once again. There just isn't enough room for Urbom, maybe if you want to give us forward prospect with equal value.
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I say no deal from the Leafs because they have a lot Defesman who can play right now in the NHL and shouldn't be adding more.
I'm not sure who the Devils could add instead of Urbom. Maybe one of LW prospects other than Tedenby and Boucher. we have a bunch of 6.5 HF rated LW and C prospects that I don't know a lot about.

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Volch + one of them + 2nd?

I might be overrating Kadri here.

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Sounds good to me, so what will it cost us to get Kovy in Toronto then?
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08-28-2012, 03:21 PM
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Right off the bat, Devils shouldn't be adding here. Secondly, no. Thirdly, I wouldnt go near MacArthur at all and frankly I dont think there are any Leafs I would go after solely because the ones that fit our needs would cost too much.

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08-28-2012, 03:26 PM
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Please don't tell me it was for Kessel...





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08-28-2012, 03:28 PM
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Right off the bat, Devils shouldn't be adding here. Secondly, no. Thirdly, I wouldnt go near MacArthur at all and frankly I dont think there are any Leafs I would go after solely because the ones that fit our needs would cost too much.
You mean that you're ok with Devils' current depth at forward ?

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08-28-2012, 03:30 PM
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Don't worry, it wasn't for Kessel. It was for Raycroft.

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08-28-2012, 04:42 PM
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To NJ:MacArthur

To TOR: Volchenkov, 3rd or 4th

Leafs add a nice Veteran presence and a physical, shut down d-man.

NJ gets a top 6 winger that will put up 20 goals and 20 assists.
You got it backwards as others have said. Toronto should be adding. A borderline second line winger for a notoriously rock solid top three d-man? Toronto wouldn't have to add a lot, but still.

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How about something around Kadri?

Volch (if he waives) + Urbom + 2nd

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Kadri
I'm surprised you're a Devs fans because I think that propose is atrocious for the Devs.

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08-28-2012, 04:56 PM
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New Jersey needs a top line or 2A winger. They have several 2B/3A wingers (Butler, Zubrus, Clarkson), which is what Mac is.
Mac is better then butler or zubrus

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08-28-2012, 05:01 PM
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I dont want Kadri at all

Mac sure, but not for Volch

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08-28-2012, 05:22 PM
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When Broduer retires....

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He's pretty good. That move he pulled on Marty in the shootout this year sold me on him.

Plus who knows what Zajac's intentions are. He could be gone after this year. Kadri could be a possible 2nd or 3rd line RW this year until we know more about what Zajac is gonna do. Plus Josefson hasn't really shown too much yet. Center depth is always a good thing.
When Broduer hangs them up so will Lamarillo and then it will be a fire sale in NJ. Team is broke already and will be Bettman's next project once he deals with the Phoenix move to Quebec. They had a great shot last year and now the Marty Party is over.

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08-28-2012, 05:46 PM
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When Broduer hangs them up so will Lamarillo and then it will be a fire sale in NJ. Team is broke already and will be Bettman's next project once he deals with the Phoenix move to Quebec. They had a great shot last year and now the Marty Party is over.
Sounds like wishful thinking.

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08-28-2012, 06:09 PM
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When Broduer hangs them up so will Lamarillo and then it will be a fire sale in NJ. Team is broke already and will be Bettman's next project once he deals with the Phoenix move to Quebec. They had a great shot last year and now the Marty Party is over.
The only way Lamoriello retires is when he dies. Period.

The rest of your post is invalid for reasons that have been discussed over and over and over again

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08-28-2012, 06:13 PM
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To NJ:MacArthur

To TOR: Volchenkov, 3rd or 4th

Leafs add a nice Veteran presence and a physical, shut down d-man.

NJ gets a top 6 winger that will put up 20 goals and 20 assists.
OMG This has to be a Toronto fan once again WAY OVER VALUING there player Toronto has to add to get volchenkov alone...he has to be one of the most under rated guys in the league....I mean defensively he IS one of the best in the league He'll jump in front of every shot and is great with his stick and can hit hard.MAcarthur IS a good 2 way forward that will put up 45-55points a season IF He can stay healthy but Volchenkov definitely has the edge over MAC...

IMO this is fair:

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To Toronto:
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08-28-2012, 06:17 PM
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1) Not sure whether OP is a Devils or Leafs fan, but Toronto takes that and runs, Devils say no.

2) Toronto is not dealing Kadri for any of the proposed packages involving Volchenkov and Urbom. It makes no sense. Some Devils fans may feel that they wouldn't want him anyway.

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08-28-2012, 07:04 PM
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you are going to be disappointed
No because he's on a cheap deal. It's at a point where he can prove he stays in the NHL and work his ass off, or he can practically end his NHL career. If not, then if we can send him down, he will benefit Albany.

Devils aren't expecting the world of him, it's kind of like a try-out almost. Low-risk, potentially high reward.

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08-28-2012, 07:12 PM
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OMG This has to be a Toronto fan once again WAY OVER VALUING there player Toronto has to add to get volchenkov alone...he has to be one of the most under rated guys in the league....I mean defensively he IS one of the best in the league He'll jump in front of every shot and is great with his stick and can hit hard.MAcarthur IS a good 2 way forward that will put up 45-55points a season IF He can stay healthy but Volchenkov definitely has the edge over MAC...

IMO this is fair:

To NJD:
MacArthur
3rd 2013

To Toronto:
VolchenkOv
Volchenkov is overrated, in fact, and this is coming from a Devils fan. He's become more of a defensive specialist in New Jersey. He's great at what he does, so the Devils don't expect more of him.

The problem is it's doubtful he waives his NMC, and I would love to see what more we could get for him rather than MacArthur.

MacArthur more or less upgrades are depth, but the Devils currently have a problem with top-end talent. To the above poster, MacArthur has had one breakout season of 60 points, when he was playing top-six minutes. Zubrus pretty much has the same splits as MacArthur, hovers around 40 points had a breakout season of 55+, but other than that, it's 20g 20a. I like Zubrus though because he brings a great possession game and he can play on any line in any role. Not too sure what type of a player MacArthur is, but in my opinion, Zubrus is better because of the versatility.

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08-28-2012, 07:16 PM
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Volchenkov was always a defensive specialist. It's just his skating is not good enough to keep up with DeBoer's system. He was the best PK'er in the league last season IMO.

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08-28-2012, 07:19 PM
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Mac is better then butler or zubrus
From a neutral perspective I disagree. I think Zubrus is a much more versatile player. He can play a scoring or checking role and is really strong at protecting the puck. Essentially he's a poor man's Daniel Sedin.

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From a neutral perspective I disagree. I think Zubrus is a much more versatile player. He can play a scoring or checking role and is really strong at protecting the puck. Essentially he's a poor man's Daniel Sedin.
Exactly, when you can play a player on PP or PK, on a line with scorers or checkers at center or wing, it's always good to have those players.

Another example of a guy like this is Ponikarovsky, minus the center/wing versatility.

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From a neutral perspective I disagree. I think Zubrus is a much more versatile player. He can play a scoring or checking role and is really strong at protecting the puck. Essentially he's a poor man's Daniel Sedin.
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When Broduer hangs them up so will Lamarillo and then it will be a fire sale in NJ. Team is broke already and will be Bettman's next project once he deals with the Phoenix move to Quebec. They had a great shot last year and now the Marty Party is over.
Why is Lou retiring when Marty retires? Why are you such a sourpuss?

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The odds of NJ trading Volchenkov are probably nil and especially not for one piece in MacA. Also, I believe he has a NTC. Plus they add a pick?
Volchenkov might be moved, but you're right that the value is off.

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New Jersey needs a top line or 2A winger. They have several 2B/3A wingers (Butler, Zubrus, Clarkson), which is what Mac is.
Correct. If the Devils want a guy like MacArthur in the top 6, they'll just put Clarkson there. Acquiring him would be redundant.

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When Broduer hangs them up so will Lamarillo and then it will be a fire sale in NJ. Team is broke already and will be Bettman's next project once he deals with the Phoenix move to Quebec. They had a great shot last year and now the Marty Party is over.
Oh my, this is such a poorly informed post.

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From a neutral perspective I disagree. I think Zubrus is a much more versatile player. He can play a scoring or checking role and is really strong at protecting the puck. Essentially he's a poor man's Daniel Sedin.
Well, I wouldn't bring the Sedins into it for fear of being misinterpreted, but otherwise I agree. Zubrus is versatile enough to play any forward position on any line and not be too out of place. He's an excellent checking line centre, and a good complementary winger for the top 6. He has size and is willing to use it, and he has decent hands. Hell, Zubrus could probably be played at defence in a pinch without too much trouble. He also has solid chemistry with multiple teammates and is by all accounts an excellent guy in the room.

David Conte, the Devils' director of scouting, has literally said that he wishes that every Devils forward could be like Dainius Zubrus, and that's part of the reason the Devils took Matteau in this year's draft. High praise if I've ever heard it.

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From a neutral perspective I disagree. I think Zubrus is a much more versatile player. He can play a scoring or checking role and is really strong at protecting the puck. Essentially he's a poor man's Daniel Sedin.
Uh...in scoring terms, a very, very poor man's Daniel Sedin, maybe. And Sedin hasn't exactly done checking roles ever since he and Hank became prime scorers. That's the knock on the Sedins; they're one-trick ponies, but OMFG they've got one hell of a good trick.

Yeah, not a good analogy there.

And I'd take Zubrus over MacArthur easily. As for the OP: Leafs add, not Devils.

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You mean that you're ok with Devils' current depth at forward ?
I would love to know how you got that from the part you bolded. I said that the Devils should not have to add draft picks to make a deal between Volch and Macarthur even.

To answer your question, to which I am still confused how it was brought up, no I am not. There are alot of question marks surronding some players, namely Teddy, Josefson and Butler. Having said that I dont think Macarthur is the answer, not in the slightest. Our biggest need is a top 6 RW, Macarthur is not that person.

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