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08-29-2012, 10:58 AM
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Well, we are way passed the point of getting rid of the cap. It's here to stay.

But to answer your question, even owners with deep pockets and lucrative franchises wouldn't be against controlling salary costs in order to make their pockets deeper and their franchises even more lucrative.
But its not lucrative if your crippling your on the ice product! We finally are at the top built to win, and the league is going to fk it all up!

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08-29-2012, 11:15 AM
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But its not lucrative if your crippling your on the ice product! We finally are at the top built to win, and the league is going to fk it all up!
Everyone else is crippling their on ice product also, though.

And besides, RB and others aren't totally right that we won't be able to afford our players. It's somewhat alarmist. If the Cap comes in at $62-$64m, the Rangers should be close enough to that area to be able to make it work. I have the team's salary for 2013-14 at under $64m with all of the RFAs resigned.

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Don't really see how trading for Nash and then trading away Gaborik ends up helping this team in the end. Seems like you're right back where you started. At least I'd hope to get one year out of them together, but not having a way to keep more than 1 legit goal scorer on the roster means it'll be hard for this team to ever win the cup
I think the original hope was to get 2 runs with them, but then Howson & lockout fears kinda threw a wrench into that plan.

With MDZ's extension and the contracts that are due next Summer I don't know what else they could do to make it work. Of course this could all change when the CBA is finalized (pending cap # and second contract restrictions).

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08-29-2012, 11:29 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks that there WON'T be a lockout?

The owners want change, yes, but in a positive direction. A lockout would change status quo in the opposite direction.

Why would they MURDER the momentum that the league has going for it, right now. It's not smart business.

The latest offer appears to me a step in the right direction.

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08-29-2012, 11:38 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks that there WON'T be a lockout?
No, you aren't. Then again, I've never thought we would miss any games.

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08-29-2012, 12:25 PM
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Could someone explain to me the logic that 16 of 30 owners would like to completely handicap their teams with this salary cap!!?? All the owners cannot be on board with that!
This isnt the case...

...most teams could handle 58m not to mention 63-64m.

Look at each teams, small adjustments puts most teams under these levels.

Bettman only needs 15 teams on board.

58m is no problem for us whatsoever. Easily doable. 61m next season? A little tougher...

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08-29-2012, 12:31 PM
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Why would they MURDER the momentum that the league has going for it, right now. It's not smart business.
When the Rangers won the Cup in ,94, the league had all the momentum. And then killed it with a lockout.

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08-29-2012, 12:53 PM
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This is bs. We build a team, add Nash to Gaborik so we can compete with the other offensive teams in the NHL but now we have to subtract Gaborik by next summer. **** you Bettman.

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This is bs. We build a team, add Nash to Gaborik so we can compete with the other offensive teams in the NHL but now we have to subtract Gaborik by next summer. **** you Bettman.
i think you need to relax. more likely than not the cap will come in a little higher than what the owners proposed.

you get rid of the mike rupps and arron ashams of the world and replace them with players on more restricted ELC or 2nd contracts.. you know the owners will push for that.

until we see all the details, take a chill pill. they'll find a way to keep him

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It's still looks like the bottom barrel franchises get what they want.

**** 'em. The teams that have been hemorrhaging money should have long gotten the kibosh. I'd go with a 26-28 team league and then take it from there. I mean, what kind of ****ing league allows teams to reach out for money and then have a ****ing say with regards to the cap?!

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08-29-2012, 01:19 PM
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It's still looks like the bottom barrel franchises get what they want.

**** 'em. The teams that have been hemorrhaging money should have long gotten the kibosh. I'd go with a 26-28 team league and then take it from there. I mean, what kind of ****ing league allows teams to reach out for money and then have a ****ing say with regards to the cap?!
thats a nice idea and all but its a fantasy. the players would never accept that. don't see why anyone on this board can't get that thru their thick skulls. the players will never accept a loss of jobs. EVER.

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08-29-2012, 01:23 PM
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i think you need to relax. more likely than not the cap will come in a little higher than what the owners proposed.

you get rid of the mike rupps and arron ashams of the world and replace them with players on more restricted ELC or 2nd contracts.. you know the owners will push for that.

until we see all the details, take a chill pill. they'll find a way to keep him
Negotiations aren't done. I agree with you, the players will counter higher and then things will settle somewhere in the middle. I also think the contract restrictions will help the Rangers...don't forget, we have a team built around a lot of young guys...any restrictions on second contracts and ELCs will save us money/cap space...we are actually in great shape to take advantage of this.

Also, for the sport as a whole these are all positive changes. The poorer teams will be able to at least cut even while spending to the cap. That's one of the things that helped the NFL tremendously...the franchise values skyrocketed due to guaranteed profits. Also, the limits on second contracts will really benefit teams in keeping young stars, and in maintaining stability. For the future of the NHL, these are great things to have in the CBA.

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08-29-2012, 01:27 PM
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Guys... calm down about losing Gaborik. It's not as dire as you think.

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($3.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($1.700m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Micheal Haley ($0.600m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($3.500m) / Michael Sauer ($1.750m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,291,667; BONUSES: $637,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster):- $1,291,667

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thats a nice idea and all but its a fantasy. the players would never accept that. don't see why anyone on this board can't get that thru their thick skulls. the players will never accept a loss of jobs. EVER.
So you get teams chicken-winged into accepting a smaller cap hit and players potentially taking a pay cut because there are incompetent owners in the league.

Great.

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08-29-2012, 01:38 PM
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So you get teams chicken-winged into accepting a smaller cap hit and players potentially taking a pay cut because there are incompetent owners in the league.

Great.
that doesnt have anything to do with what i said. there will never be an NHL where there are less than 30 teams. should teams be moved to potentially stronger markets? yes. but there should not and never will be less than 30 teams in the league all because of the players. the players will not accept losing close to 50 nhl jobs to contract 2 teams.

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Alarmist?

21 player roster. Over the cap. No flexibility to make any moves.

Can we start dealing with reality?

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im really not following this much. how much trouble are we (the rangers team only) in if the owners get what they want

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im really not following this much. how much trouble are we (the rangers team only) in if the owners get what they want
They can probably make it work this season. But it pretty much guarantees that Gaborik will have to be moved next summer.

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Negotiations aren't done. I agree with you, the players will counter higher and then things will settle somewhere in the middle. I also think the contract restrictions will help the Rangers...don't forget, we have a team built around a lot of young guys...any restrictions on second contracts and ELCs will save us money/cap space...we are actually in great shape to take advantage of this.

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2nd contracts. The NHLPA has to agree with abolishing salary arbitration and the age of group III is moved back.

ELCs. Not existing ELCs. Those don't extend. In the current CBA,players drafted under the 1995 CBA were subject to the 95 CBA. Players selected in 2013 and beyond will be subject to any ELC changes.

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that doesnt have anything to do with what i said. there will never be an NHL where there are less than 30 teams. should teams be moved to potentially stronger markets? yes. but there should not and never will be less than 30 teams in the league all because of the players. the players will not accept losing close to 50 nhl jobs to contract 2 teams.
Then relocate them.

Something that should have done a long time ago, instead of throwing down money for teams that still can't get their act together, and these *******s still have the audacity to demand that the league change to play by their rules. Why can't they keep the cap as is for 5 years, whilst decreasing the cap floor for the same time span?

This cap decrease, for whom does it really cater to?

$58 million cap hit or being met halfway with $62-63 million I still consider to be a joke and a half.

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If the owners are proposing $58MM at this point, then they are definitely willing to accept at least $60-62MM.

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Alarmist?

21 player roster. Over the cap. No flexibility to make any moves.

Can we start dealing with reality?
Over an example of a cap, and that's assuming DelZotto, Stepan and McDonagh even get the deals I laid out and that Sauer is really back. My point is that the situation is close enough to be able to be handled.

You're looking at it too black and white. There are plenty of ways to handle being in that situation. Teams do it every offseason. And besides, trading Marion Gaborik to put yourself under the cap when you are that close either a) is overkill or b) allows you to bring in a player to mitigate the loss of Gaborik off the roster. It's not a dire situation.

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Am I the only one that thinks that there WON'T be a lockout?
Nope. I think it will get done. Seems like they are on the same page and now just need to haggle over the numbers a bit.

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Guys... calm down about losing Gaborik. It's not as dire as you think.

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($3.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($1.700m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Micheal Haley ($0.600m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($3.500m) / Michael Sauer ($1.750m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,291,667; BONUSES: $637,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster):- $1,291,667
$1.2M over assuming the cap stays around $63M.

Reports are the the NHL pressed for a $58M cap with $2M increases annually. If its at $60M next season, that'll put the Rangers about $4.2M over. Hopefully some negotiating gets done and the cap creeps a bit higher.

1-2M over is a nip and tuck.

4-5M over could mean a facelift where someone like Gaborik really does need to hit the road.

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