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08-29-2012, 01:56 PM
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$1.2M over assuming the cap stays around $63M.

Reports are the the NHL pressed for a $58M cap with $2M increases annually. If its at $60M next season, that'll put the Rangers about $4.2M over. Hopefully some negotiating gets done and the cap creeps a bit higher.

1-2M over is a nip and tuck.

4-5M over could mean a facelift where someone like Gaborik really does need to hit the road.
This bolded is exactly right. I'm not anticipating us being more than $2m over. If the NHL is already at $58m for next season, it's not a stretch to expect them to end around $61m for next year.

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08-29-2012, 01:57 PM
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Then relocate them.

Something that should have done a long time ago, instead of throwing down money for teams that still can't get their act together, and these *******s still have the audacity to demand that the league change to play by their rules. Why can't they keep the cap as is for 5 years, whilst decreasing the cap floor for the same time span?

This cap decrease, for whom does it really cater to?

$58 million cap hit or being met halfway with $62-63 million I still consider to be a joke and a half.
yup 63 million would be a joke considering the cap was 64.3 million for 2011-2012. right.

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08-29-2012, 02:01 PM
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that doesnt have anything to do with what i said. there will never be an NHL where there are less than 30 teams. should teams be moved to potentially stronger markets? yes. but there should not and never will be less than 30 teams in the league all because of the players. the players will not accept losing close to 50 nhl jobs to contract 2 teams.
Relax? I'm one of the most calm fans on this board aside from when it comes to the asinine trade proposals posted. How old are you? How old were you when this happened last time? Don't tell me to take a chill pill because I'm a realist and there are no indications of Bettman and the owners easing up on the players. They propose 58. So they agree to 60-62. Were still over the cap with del zotto still unsigned and no 3rd line center.

Keep playing the eternal optimist card, I'll be laughing at you when this is all said and done. And don't worry I'll be relaxed doing it.

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08-29-2012, 02:06 PM
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I'm a realist and there are no indications of Bettman and the owners easing up on the players.
They just did yesterday.

They went from demanding the players share of HRR is 43-46% to 50%. Thats the very definition of easing up on a stance, and its opened the lines for some real progress - finally.

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yup 63 million would be a joke considering the cap was 64.3 million for 2011-2012. right.
Yeah, especially when the cap was supposed to be a little over $70 million. Cut off $2 million, $3 million tops.

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08-29-2012, 02:07 PM
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The Rangers have $52M committed for 13-14. Del Zotto is still unsigned. Whatever he gets,adds to the $52M. 2 years/$5.5M/$2.75M. $55M. McDonagh is arbitration eligible. Hagelin is arbitration eligible. Stepan is not arbitration eligible but he will command a decent buck if he has a 60 point plus season. 91 points his first 2 seasons. If Sauer is healthy and is able to play a good amount of games plus he remains healthy,you're looking at a $3M defenseman. McDonagh is going to get $4M plus. You need to save room for making moves during the season. Injuries. Call-ups. Trades. You can trim the fat and dump Asham,Rupp and Boyle but the players replacing them won't be that much less money unless you want to have 4-5 players making the league minimum salary. They won't be very good either. Trading Gaborik and his $7.5M solves many of the issues. Ownership wants a tighter cap. Most of the big market teams will faced with roster adjustments.

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08-29-2012, 02:10 PM
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They just did yesterday.

They went from demanding the players share of HRR is 43-46% to 50%. Thats the very definition of easing up on a stance, and its opened the lines for some real progress - finally.
Ok cool...what's the cap? Oh yeah thats right..

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08-29-2012, 02:17 PM
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Ok cool...what's the cap? Oh yeah thats right..
Its about $63M until the CBA expires on 9/15. Then who knows?

I know one thing - you certainly dont.

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08-29-2012, 02:18 PM
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96 points for Stepan. Not 91.

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08-29-2012, 02:19 PM
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Ok cool...what's the cap? Oh yeah thats right..
The Cap for next season will be negotiated upwards from where it was on their last proposal.

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08-29-2012, 02:19 PM
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You think if Gabby's traded he'd want to come back here after his current contract expires?

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08-29-2012, 02:20 PM
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RB, I have a feeling McD isn't going to be arbitration eligible once they tweak that system. But I understand, it's going to be difficult. Just not impossible.

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08-29-2012, 02:23 PM
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You think if Gabby's traded he'd want to come back here after his current contract expires?
Probably not.

But more importantly, I dont see how that tackles the cap problem (why this theoretical trade is happening in the first place)

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08-29-2012, 02:24 PM
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Probably not.

But more importantly, I dont see how that tackles the cap problem (why this theoretical trade is happening in the first place)
It frees up $7.5 M in cap space.

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08-29-2012, 02:30 PM
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Its about $63M until the CBA expires on 9/15. Then who knows?

I know one thing - you certainly dont.
I know I don't captain obvious. But I'm not sitting here sugarcoating anything like this isn't going to be a problem.

I also like how people are just dumping gaborik like its no big deal. The whole point of getting Nash was to add him to gaborik.

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08-29-2012, 02:51 PM
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Donald Fehr loves salary arbitration and free agency.

Brooks amended his tweet

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https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/sta...76191261814784

MLB players are arbitration eligible after 3 years. Free agency after 6 years. He wants his players to have market for their services. If there is no salary arbitration,the player is at the mercy of the team.

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08-29-2012, 02:57 PM
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Any meetings happen yet?

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08-29-2012, 02:58 PM
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16 teams are OVER 58 mil right now. 13 are over 61, 6 are over 65mil, 2 are over 68mil, none are over 69 mil....as of right now.

if the NHL wants a lower cap, then they are going to have to roll back cap hits accordingly. drop from 70 to 58? youd have to roll back the salaries/cap hits, or both to match that...if thats the case the Rangers will be fine....theyd come in at about 48 mil right now. in cap hits....thats still more than enough space to bring back everyone else.

the NHLPA nor the majority of the NHL owners will allow them to roll back the cap that much without doing something to the cap hits. youd have turmoil...youre not gonna have over half the teams looking to dump significant salary. who'se gonna sign them? youd have 50+ nhl players suddenly unemployed. thats never gonna happen.

they are gonna have to keep it right at what its at right now, and hold it locked into place until the split becomes 50/50 or a cap hit rollback. in either scenario the Rangers are well placed to bring back everyone.

do the math again with the salary cap hits of current contracts rolled back accordingly.

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08-29-2012, 03:02 PM
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Anyone see Parise's quote? What ever optimism I had that a deal would get done is now gone.

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Hockey Hearsay: Zach Parise says Gary Bettman is ‘pretty adamant about his third lockout of his tenure.’ http://*******/OxyGEL #NHL #CBA
EDIT 2: Just realized that Parise wasn't at the meetings. Disregard what I said previously.


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08-29-2012, 03:06 PM
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Seeing on Twitter now that the meetings are over.

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08-29-2012, 03:16 PM
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Split was moved from 43% to 46%.

The NHLPA hopes to respond with their own counter proposal tomorrow.

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08-29-2012, 03:38 PM
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It frees up $7.5 M in cap space.
Well, it certainly does if we trade Gaborik for no returning salary, and then he comes back and re-signs for 0$

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trading Gaborik frees up cap space and leaves us with the same problem we've been having for the last few years, scoring. so that accomplishes nothing

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08-29-2012, 03:55 PM
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This team can operate at $58 million next season. It's the seasons after that are going to be trouble, and Gaborik will for sure be the first to go.

I still think when the NHL opens for business again it's with a $62-$64 million cap.

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Now that it seems that we will have a lower cap with the new CBA, this should kill any dreams we have of getting Shane Doan. We might already be forced to trade Gaborik, no need to put Doan on top of that as well.

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